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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 12, 2014 19:20:54 GMT
Hope he learns to keep his legs closed when handling a low shot,otherwise one day the lad will be embarrassed.
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Jan 12, 2014 19:22:01 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 12, 2014 19:22:01 GMT
Didn't do much wrong at all today, his save for their 5th was world class
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 12, 2014 19:24:25 GMT
Wasn't convinced by him today, flapped a bit, made his mind up to come out to late but hopefully he will improve, given his age hes got plenty of time to sort it out.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 12, 2014 19:25:34 GMT
Didn't help his cause that the defence in front of him had an absolute shitter.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 12, 2014 19:28:52 GMT
Wilson had a stinker today, and Shawcross didn't have one of his best days either!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 12, 2014 19:29:54 GMT
I thought he did okay. For a young lad still learning his trade it could have been a lot worse. I doubt Bego would have done that much better given the defensive errors for the 1st three goals.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 12, 2014 19:31:24 GMT
First one no chance and sheer fluke, second was part of a wider comedy of errors with others involved, third one the peno, fourth one I don't think Bego would have stopped and the fifth very unlucky.....he slipped getting back to his feet or he would have been all over Sturridge and smothered it. Overall I think he did ok today and despite shipping five it will hopefully give him a bit of a boost.
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Post by whereami on Jan 12, 2014 19:31:31 GMT
Bego had similar issues when he started for us didnt he? Some things can be taught and he'll learn, but things like the save before their 5th cant be. No doubting that he's still raw but he has masses of potential
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 19:31:59 GMT
Remember he is no3 or as I suspect after the transfer window no2, but I would like to see him go to Brazil for the experience of it as he could well be the future of our and Englands keeping especially if Hart has a mare in the world cup, which would be no surprise. Would any of you swap him for Mignoloet today even Harman criticised him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2014 19:32:17 GMT
I noticed that against Leicester, hopefully the goalkeeping coach has spotted it too.
He was fine today though on the whole. Just a shame that save at the end wasn't rewarded with the defence reacting to it.
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Post by Gunslinger on Jan 12, 2014 19:33:17 GMT
Didn't help his cause that the defence in front of him had an absolute shitter. Agree - spot on.
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Post by rambob on Jan 12, 2014 19:35:19 GMT
Everyone around me constantly gave him crap and I don't know why.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 12, 2014 19:36:03 GMT
Some of his decision making highlighted his inexperience I thought.
He didn't do anything wrong particularly that influenced the game but his distribution was questionable and I thought his communication lacked a decisive edge.
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Post by Han Solo on Jan 12, 2014 19:36:26 GMT
Thought his kicking was excellent though
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Post by onionman on Jan 12, 2014 19:38:18 GMT
Reminded me a bit of Bego in our 0-7 defeat at Chelsea.
Not a terrible performance, and not blatantly at fault for any of the goals, but just lacked a bit of authority which probably contributed to the scale of the scoreline.
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Post by northantsash on Jan 12, 2014 19:38:49 GMT
I think it's a bit harsh to pick on him after the defensive unit in front of him was utter toss all evening. I went last week against Leicester and he played well, he has a lot of potential and his kicking on either foot is very comfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 20:05:08 GMT
I think he did ok but needs to be more dominant and commanding in the box which I'm sure in time will come.
Defensively we were poor today,the second goal was a complete comedy show but perhaps defensive uncertainty was fueled by the fact we had a relatively inexperienced keeper between the sticks ?
I'm happy with Butland.Glad we signed him and look forward to watching him grow and flourish and become our number one when Begovic innevitably moves on to pastures new.
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Post by lurcherman on Jan 12, 2014 20:10:10 GMT
I thought he was our best player in defence today........
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Post by mrred on Jan 12, 2014 20:11:01 GMT
Rather unfair to assess a keeper that's not played at this level against strong opposition and with us so used to seeing the best keeper in the league between the sticks.
He'll learn, just as Bego did. Problem is, I think he needs experience at this level rather than going on loan in the championship.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:25:37 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 12, 2014 20:25:37 GMT
Didn't do much wrong at all today, his save for their 5th was world class He shouldn't have had to make the save. It was 2 yards out and he should have claimed the ball before it got to Sturridge. Simple fact is if Begovic had played today (I'd argue even Tommy) and we would have won. It is to be expected as he's 20 years old but he has no presence at all, is glued to his line, inspires no confidence in those in front of him and hasn't a clue how to save a penalty. He isn't good enough YET and we can't afford to let him learn as he goes!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 20:26:35 GMT
Agree with the opening post. He,ll have to learn to keep his legs closed. We need Bego back a.s.a.p.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:29:54 GMT
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Post by cartman123 on Jan 12, 2014 20:29:54 GMT
Didn't do much wrong at all today, his save for their 5th was world class He shouldn't have had to make the save. It was 2 yards out and he should have claimed the ball before it got to Sturridge. Simple fact is if Begovic had played today (I'd argue even Tommy) and we would have won. It is to be expected as he's 20 years old but he has no presence at all, is glued to his line, inspires no confidence in those in front of him and hasn't a clue how to save a penalty. He isn't good enough YET and we can't afford to let him learn as he goes! Fucking rubbish. The second goal was entirely Wilson's fault. He should have cleared. And we would have still lost even if Bego was in goals. Which one would bego have saved BTW? Just curious.
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Jan 12, 2014 20:31:01 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 12, 2014 20:31:01 GMT
At just 20 years old, this will all help him to develop into the great player he is destined to be. First team football is exactly what he needs at that age.
What annoyed me was, a couple of times, he played the ball short from a goal kick and put our defence under needless pressure. Although, he did cut this out of his game second half.
2nd goal...whose fault was it? Wilsons, Shawcross or Butlands? Seemed to me that Butland could have got to it had Shawcross not attempted to clear it. However we'll never know whether Butland, vocally, wanted to claim the ball....
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Post by kingstokie on Jan 12, 2014 20:32:58 GMT
First ever 90 minute premier league game. Against Suarez and eventually Sturridge as well.
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Post by wembley1972 on Jan 12, 2014 20:37:38 GMT
It's difficult to be to critical, our centre halfs didn't do much to help him today, and we are comparing him against bego who is one of the best keepers around. His kicking today with one exception was good. He won't play against many better strikers either.
I think we have a great keeper in the making, I don't think he will get to much stick from our supporters for today's result.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 12, 2014 20:42:34 GMT
Didn't do much wrong at all today, his save for their 5th was world class He shouldn't have had to make the save. It was 2 yards out and he should have claimed the ball before it got to Sturridge. Simple fact is if Begovic had played today (I'd argue even Tommy) and we would have won. It is to be expected as he's 20 years old but he has no presence at all, is glued to his line, inspires no confidence in those in front of him and hasn't a clue how to save a penalty. He isn't good enough YET and we can't afford to let him learn as he goes! Blimey, you've just assassinated the lad there! Nice.
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Jan 12, 2014 21:04:53 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 12, 2014 21:04:53 GMT
He shouldn't have had to make the save. It was 2 yards out and he should have claimed the ball before it got to Sturridge. Simple fact is if Begovic had played today (I'd argue even Tommy) and we would have won. It is to be expected as he's 20 years old but he has no presence at all, is glued to his line, inspires no confidence in those in front of him and hasn't a clue how to save a penalty. He isn't good enough YET and we can't afford to let him learn as he goes! Blimey, you've just assassinated the lad there! Nice. Not meant as an assassination, more an honest assessment of his ability at present. Were Begovic in goal today, the second goal wouldn't have happened, he would have made the 4th harder and the 5th he would have taken before Sturridge even got the chance. Shawcross was so desperate to protect him and Butland needed to read the riot act and inspire confidence. He didn't and he doesn't have the presence to do so. He's 20, its to be expected but he has much to learn and we aren't good enough to let him learn on the job. Individual errors and another shit ref have cost us big time today and for me, Butland was as culpable as anyone for the shambles at the back.
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Post by northantsash on Jan 12, 2014 21:14:48 GMT
Blimey, you've just assassinated the lad there! Nice. Not meant as an assassination, more an honest assessment of his ability at present. Were Begovic in goal today, the second goal wouldn't have happened, he would have made the 4th harder and the 5th he would have taken before Sturridge even got the chance. Shawcross was so desperate to protect him and Butland needed to read the riot act and inspire confidence. He didn't and he doesn't have the presence to do so. He's 20, its to be expected but he has much to learn and we aren't good enough to let him learn on the job. Individual errors and another shit ref have cost us big time today and for me, Butland was as culpable as anyone for the shambles at the back. I would look at the two opportunities that Wilson and shawcross had to deal with the 2nd goal dave, agree butland should have been more assertive though and come off his line quicker to just boot it away, and a bit more vocal throughout. whilst he is young, he needs to be playing to develop and think he is a better option than Sorensen currently and with the eventual departure of begovic, he will be our no.1 over the next 6-12 months.
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Jan 12, 2014 22:12:52 GMT
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Jan 12, 2014 22:12:52 GMT
That save at the end was fantastic and he was unlucky to slip as he tried to get to the rebound.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 22:17:06 GMT
I remember begovic starting out for us and he was a bit hesitant at times. I personally thought jack did well. Take a way the Leicester game He's only played a half before today v Everton so today would have been a huge experience for him. I think we may have another world class keeper on our hands
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