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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2013 23:07:40 GMT
For now I think the biggest question marks in the England team are;
1) KP
Can we trust him? Is he still good enough? If so, should we persist with him?
2) No 6
Is Stokes good enough for it?
3) Wicketkeeper
Is Prior still the man for the job? If not who is?
4) Third seamer
Just who the hell is it?
So far my answers would be;
1) I'd still give KP the chance but he's on thin ice.
2) It's anybodies guess really but for now the answer is yes, he has to be given some time there.
3) I'd like to see him replaced but can't for the life of me suggest who's good enough to do it, so he has to stay in the side really.
4) Finn for me. Easy.
There are other issues but I think they're the most urgent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:09:19 GMT
I assure you I am nothing like Corporal Jones ! I have been compared to Captain Mainwaring on Occassion , but I prefer to think of myself as more like Sgt. Wilson .....each version has it's merits ... Then this is my gift to you; I never bowled in a cap....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:15:03 GMT
For now I think the biggest question marks in the England team are; 1) KP Can we trust him? Is he still good enough? If so, should we persist with him? 2) No 6 Is Stokes good enough for it? 3) Wicketkeeper Is Prior still the man for the job? If not who is? 4) Third seamer Just who the hell is it? So far my answers would be; 1) I'd still give KP the chance but he's on thin ice. 2) It's anybodies guess really but for now the answer is yes, he has to be given some time there. 3) I'd like to see him replaced but can't for the life of me suggest who's good enough to do it, so he has to stay in the side really. 4) Finn for me. Easy. There are other issues but I think they're the most urgent. 1, no we can't trust him , though he is obviously still good enough 2, after getting this hundred he deserves a chance to cement his place ( for several tests at least) 3, Prior is still good enough ....he is having a bad time with the bat , apart from this test his keeping is good...but if he had to go I would plump,for Jos Buttler 4 , agreed Finn every time ....and not as third seamer ....he should take the new ball
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2013 23:16:26 GMT
For now I think the biggest question marks in the England team are; 1) KP Can we trust him? Is he still good enough? If so, should we persist with him? 2) No 6 Is Stokes good enough for it? 3) Wicketkeeper Is Prior still the man for the job? If not who is? 4) Third seamer Just who the hell is it? So far my answers would be; 1) I'd still give KP the chance but he's on thin ice. 2) It's anybodies guess really but for now the answer is yes, he has to be given some time there. 3) I'd like to see him replaced but can't for the life of me suggest who's good enough to do it, so he has to stay in the side really. 4) Finn for me. Easy. There are other issues but I think they're the most urgent. 1, no we can't trust him , though he is obviously still good enough 2, after getting this hundred he deserves a chance to cement his place ( for several tests at least) 3, Prior is still good enough ....he is having a bad time with the bat , apart from this test his keeping is good...but if he had to go I would plump,for Jos Buttler 4 , agreed Finn every time ....and not as third seamer ....he should take the new ball So would You play KP then Bisp?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:19:08 GMT
1, no we can't trust him , though he is obviously still good enough 2, after getting this hundred he deserves a chance to cement his place ( for several tests at least) 3, Prior is still good enough ....he is having a bad time with the bat , apart from this test his keeping is good...but if he had to go I would plump,for Jos Buttler 4 , agreed Finn every time ....and not as third seamer ....he should take the new ball So would You play KP then Bisp? No ......wherever his heart lies it is not really with England ...he was the cause of Strauss retiring and I will never forgive him for that .....
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 17, 2013 23:19:34 GMT
Great minds obviously think alike .....how odd is that ? Indeed - but for completeness we need this to see Captain Mainwaring bat and some excellent sledging from the late Bill Pertwee...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2013 23:21:45 GMT
So would You play KP then Bisp? No ......wherever his heart lies it is not really with England ...he was the cause of Strauss retiring and I will never forgive him for that ..... Has that been confirmed? Because I don't overly buy it. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he was batting near the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:27:47 GMT
Great minds obviously think alike .....how odd is that ? Indeed - but for completeness we need this to see Captain Mainwaring bat and some excellent sledging from the late Bill Pertwee... Priceless indeed ! Some questionable footwork from Mainwairing ....! Sgt Wilson could bat though ...I love how Warden hodges is standing up to Trueman !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:30:33 GMT
No ......wherever his heart lies it is not really with England ...he was the cause of Strauss retiring and I will never forgive him for that ..... Has that been confirmed? Because I don't overly buy it. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he was batting near the end. Well it will have to wait for the book won't it ? ...he certainly was not batting that bad either ....a better bet than what we have had opening since surely ? With 20 test centuries he is my sort of rabbit
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2013 23:37:18 GMT
Has that been confirmed? Because I don't overly buy it. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he was batting near the end. Well it will have to wait for the book won't it ? ...he certainly was not batting that bad either ....a better bet than what we have had opening since surely ? With 20 test centuries he is my sort of rabbit That's a bit like the argument from the summer though, we're winning, so there's no problem. To me it was obvious there was and it's come to the fore now but in spectacular style. With Strauss he was batting poorly and was having problems, I think it was his time to go. He was getting on a bit, not getting the runs and it just seemed like the time was right. His record was irrelevant. Prior might be going the same way but he's a bit younger, so I think a good dropping might just help him a bit. But there's no one to drop him for really.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2013 23:43:04 GMT
I reckon beefy should be brought in to coach
I believe though he is suffering from alanhansenitus
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:50:29 GMT
Well it will have to wait for the book won't it ? ...he certainly was not batting that bad either ....a better bet than what we have had opening since surely ? With 20 test centuries he is my sort of rabbit That's a bit like the argument from the summer though, we're winning, so there's no problem. To me it was obvious there was and it's come to the fore now but in spectacular style. With Strauss he was batting poorly and was having problems, I think it was his time to go. He was getting on a bit, not getting the runs and it just seemed like the time was right. His record was irrelevant. Prior might be going the same way but he's a bit younger, so I think a good dropping might just help him a bit. But there's no one to drop him for really. Well as usual we will beg to differ ....as batsmen get older , they do decline but it does not mean that they are not worth their place in the team ....if their supposed replacements are not good enough ...it is ridiculous to get rid of them .....common sense should always prevail and his record is not irrelevant , it is a marker of how good a player he was .....and still would have been , immaterial now though it is
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 23:52:59 GMT
I reckon beefy should be brought in to coach I believe though he is suffering from alanhansenitus Oh I think he suffers from something far worse than that ......arsholeitus I believe ....he goes and walks it off though
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2013 23:57:34 GMT
That's a bit like the argument from the summer though, we're winning, so there's no problem. To me it was obvious there was and it's come to the fore now but in spectacular style. With Strauss he was batting poorly and was having problems, I think it was his time to go. He was getting on a bit, not getting the runs and it just seemed like the time was right. His record was irrelevant. Prior might be going the same way but he's a bit younger, so I think a good dropping might just help him a bit. But there's no one to drop him for really. Well as usual we will beg to differ ....as batsmen get older , they do decline but it does not mean that they are not worth their place in the team ....if their supposed replacements are not good enough ...it is ridiculous to get rid of them .....common sense should always prevail and his record is not irrelevant , it is a marker of how good a player he was .....and still would have been , immaterial now though it is Still would have been? It doesn't work like that does it? If You're gone, You're gone irrespective of what You have done. And they haven't been good enough but we'd have to be lucky to get a good enough replacement off the peg imo. Carberry is adequate though and I don't think Strauss would be doing any better at all, he was shot imo. And I think Boycott's observations/rumours he had heard fit better tbh, he reckons Strauss' eyes had gone. That tallies with a bloke who just didn't look like he could buy a run near the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:02:35 GMT
Well as usual we will beg to differ ....as batsmen get older , they do decline but it does not mean that they are not worth their place in the team ....if their supposed replacements are not good enough ...it is ridiculous to get rid of them .....common sense should always prevail and his record is not irrelevant , it is a marker of how good a player he was .....and still would have been , immaterial now though it is Still would have been? It doesn't work like that does it? If You're gone, You're gone irrespective of what You have done. And they haven't been good enough but we'd have to be lucky to get a good enough replacement off the peg imo. Carberry is adequate though and I don't think Strauss would be doing any better at all, he was shot imo. And I think Boycott's observations/rumours he had heard fit better tbh, he reckons Strauss' eyes had gone. That tallies with a bloke who just didn't look like he could buy a run near the end. Your opinion and your are quite entitled to it ....?by the way that is Boycott's standard assessment of batsmen who are out of form " his eyes have gone " ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2013 0:04:22 GMT
Still would have been? It doesn't work like that does it? If You're gone, You're gone irrespective of what You have done. And they haven't been good enough but we'd have to be lucky to get a good enough replacement off the peg imo. Carberry is adequate though and I don't think Strauss would be doing any better at all, he was shot imo. And I think Boycott's observations/rumours he had heard fit better tbh, he reckons Strauss' eyes had gone. That tallies with a bloke who just didn't look like he could buy a run near the end. Your opinion and your are quite entitled to it ....?by the way that is Boycott's standard assessment of batsmen who are out of form " his eyes have gone " .... I listen to TMS a lot and I've never heard him say it before.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 18, 2013 0:04:47 GMT
followyoudown: Looking forward to 2015 too. Melbourne and Sydney should be fascinating from the England selection conundrum. From the Aussie perspective it will be interesting to see how Clark handles Bailey, Watson especially and less so Warner. If the instruction is for Watson and Bailey to bat as they did in Perth right from the start then the Boxing Day Test will be a spectacle to savour. However, if they go into their respective shells then it could go either way. Davey Warner is another kettle of fish. He's only just getting to grips with Test cricket and irrespective of how the team might want him to play he will continue along the development path he's chosen. Loving that the England supporters have cast him as the villain just as Broad has the same role with Aus supporters. I'll bet that neither of them gives a jot and are enjoying the notoriety. By the way, what was the nonsense of the England players not applauding an Australian century maker….. poor cricket that old chums.
I have to agree that the more recent Aus opening pairs have had their fair share of problems. I rate Khawaja highly as first drop (but who am I) and think that his day will come. Since his 'defection' to Queensland he seems to have put another layer of polish on his game. A stylish batsman who reminds me of Greg Chappell or a switched on Mark Waugh - very comfortable to watch. Just hope he can realise his potential this season. Mr Hughes is different again. He has known technical faults that the England bowlers spotted and then played him off a break. Who knows what will happen to his career in the future.
The young Turks, the bowlers, are in the melting pot. They all have speed to burn but have a history of breaking down. I think you are thinking of Darrin Pattinson (the POM, raised in Melbourne and has one test cap for England). James, his brother, was born in Melbourne. We also have Mitch Starc in the locker waiting their turn to take the place of Johnson or Siddle or Harris. Australia are in transition and of course there will be a few more changes to the batting order before we have a settled team. Hopefully this will take place before 2015.
Stokes was magnificent. His ton was full of courage and determination. I suppose that England will be dredging the Shaky Isles prospecting for more uncut gems. Good luck with that.
On to Melbourne. Good luck with that too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:09:13 GMT
Taken to the cleaners once, twice and thrice. Time for the cleaners to clean up this England squad, If you are going to bring the cleaners in though .....you have to bring in the replacements .....who are they ? And more to the point are they any better than those you have cleaned out ? Pietersen and Prior would be the start of the cleaning up. I've had enough of Pietersen which his selfishness and surely we a decent wicket keeper available that can score runs as well.....Prior has been woeful for a long time now. I don't know who the bring in but I don't think we could do any worse. Is Bresnan good enough? Cook is a good batsman but has shown weak leadership during this series....some question have to be asked as Cook as a captain.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2013 0:10:25 GMT
The witch hunt of Pietersen has been pathetic this last day or so. He's frustrating and I tend to agree with Boycott that he occasionally has the 'brains of a chocolate Mouse' but at the same time we need senior players to bring the new breed through and KP remains one of the only game turners we have.
If there is to be a witch hunt then the fact that the game is up before the Turkey's even plucked, is predominantly down to Flower and Cook.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2013 0:17:08 GMT
The witch hunt of Pietersen has been pathetic this last day or so. He's frustrating and I tend to agree with Boycott that he occasionally has the 'brains of a chocolate Mouse' but at the same time we need senior players to bring the new breed through and KP remains one of the only game turners we have. If there is to be a witch hunt then the fact that the game is up before the Turkey's even plucked, is predominantly down to Flower and Cook. I'd give the selectors an honourable mention too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:17:10 GMT
Your opinion and your are quite entitled to it ....?by the way that is Boycott's standard assessment of batsmen who are out of form " his eyes have gone " .... I listen to TMS a lot and I've never heard him say it before. Well that must mean you are right then ? Mustn't it ? .....Strauss's record in 2012 , the year he retired was 590 runs avge almost 38 with two centuries and two half centuries , does not equate with some one who couldn't buy a run either ....not up to his highest standards and perhaps in decline , but not bad at all
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2013 0:20:41 GMT
The witch hunt of Pietersen has been pathetic this last day or so. He's frustrating and I tend to agree with Boycott that he occasionally has the 'brains of a chocolate Mouse' but at the same time we need senior players to bring the new breed through and KP remains one of the only game turners we have. If there is to be a witch hunt then the fact that the game is up before the Turkey's even plucked, is predominantly down to Flower and Cook. I'd give the selectors an honourable mention too. Yep. That team for Perth was a new low in selection but the lack of plan, cohesion and spirit on display with what turned up was also disgraceful. Siddle, Harris and Johnson is a pretty decent attack but lets not kid ourselves we have been utterly humiliated by a below average Australian side and if there are casualties I'd start at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:23:17 GMT
The witch hunt of Pietersen has been pathetic this last day or so. He's frustrating and I tend to agree with Boycott that he occasionally has the 'brains of a chocolate Mouse' but at the same time we need senior players to bring the new breed through and KP remains one of the only game turners we have. If there is to be a witch hunt then the fact that the game is up before the Turkey's even plucked, is predominantly down to Flower and Cook. Pietersen bring new players through ! Don't make me laugh ....?He looks down on them ...ask James Taylor ( although he did literally look down on him ) ....I wasn't aware that he was the only victim of a witch hunt ? Cook has been the victim of one for weeks ....even when we were winning the last series .......easy to jump on the blame game because we have been beaten ....best to let the dust settle first before swinging any axes in haste
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 0:24:13 GMT
I'd give the selectors an honourable mention too. Yep. That team for Perth was a new low in selection but the lack of plan, cohesion and spirit on display with what turned up was also disgraceful. Siddle, Harris and Johnson is a pretty decent attack but lets not kid ourselves we have been utterly humiliated by a below average Australian side and if there are casualties I'd start at the top. With who ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2013 0:24:58 GMT
I listen to TMS a lot and I've never heard him say it before. Well that must mean you are right then ? Mustn't it ? .....Strauss's record in 2012 , the year he retired was 590 runs avge almost 38 with two centuries and two half centuries , does not equate with some one who couldn't buy a run either ....not up to his highest standards and perhaps in decline , but not bad at all He got 326 of them against a very poor West Indies side, who even though we won 2-0 in the series, I thought we struggled and looked poor against. The defeat to the Saffers was expected but we really were blown away. And he in particular was very poor and they do have an excellent bowling attack but I think he had to go. The batting though in general has been a concern for a while, against the South Africans, West Indians and the Kiwi's in the winter they looked vulnerable. And in 8 Tests against the Aussies we haven't got over 400. Something is wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2013 0:28:49 GMT
I'd give the selectors an honourable mention too. Yep. That team for Perth was a new low in selection but the lack of plan, cohesion and spirit on display with what turned up was also disgraceful. Siddle, Harris and Johnson is a pretty decent attack but lets not kid ourselves we have been utterly humiliated by a below average Australian side and if there are casualties I'd start at the top. What I don't get is how You can go into a Test series and select 5 fast bowlers but not trust 3 of them. And then draft in a steady eddy because he can hold a bat a bit. For now I'd give Flower time to try and sort it himself but I think we've been generally poor (India apart) for a good 18 months now. And I like Cook but he's far too negative for my liking, he needs to come out of his shell a bit more re captaincy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2013 0:32:15 GMT
The witch hunt of Pietersen has been pathetic this last day or so. He's frustrating and I tend to agree with Boycott that he occasionally has the 'brains of a chocolate Mouse' but at the same time we need senior players to bring the new breed through and KP remains one of the only game turners we have. If there is to be a witch hunt then the fact that the game is up before the Turkey's even plucked, is predominantly down to Flower and Cook. Pietersen bring new players through ! Don't make me laugh ....?He looks down on them ...ask James Taylor ( although he did literally look down on him ) ....I wasn't aware that he was the only victim of a witch hunt ? Cook has been the victim of one for weeks ....even when we were winning the last series .......easy to jump on the blame game because we have been beaten ....best to let the dust settle first before swinging any axes in haste I don't mean bring through in terms of coaching and mentoring, I mean in terms of keeping us vaguely competitive whilst we blood the desperately needed new breed. KP still has the third highest average of England batsmen this series and simply is not the problem. He has become the easy target. A failure of this magnitude starts at managerial level and permeates down from there.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 18, 2013 0:39:54 GMT
Yep. That team for Perth was a new low in selection but the lack of plan, cohesion and spirit on display with what turned up was also disgraceful. Siddle, Harris and Johnson is a pretty decent attack but lets not kid ourselves we have been utterly humiliated by a below average Australian side and if there are casualties I'd start at the top. What I don't get is how You can go into a Test series and select 5 fast bowlers but not trust 3 of them. And then draft in a steady eddy because he can hold a bat a bit. For now I'd give Flower time to try and sort it himself but I think we've been generally poor (India apart) for a good 18 months now. And I like Cook but he's far too negative for my liking, he needs to come out of his shell a bit more re captaincy. Indeed. Not to trust three of them and keeping Onions at home is simply gross incompetence.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2013 0:42:48 GMT
Bayern unfortunately there is no alternative to captain.
You could see to Nasser, Vaughn, Strauss, cook replacing each other but there is no one in the current crop I can see replacing cook.
So we have to persevere.
I think the captaincy has affected cooks batting, he cannot win a toss and is to conservative for me. The summer series although 3-0 looks closer than what it should have been
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Post by salopstick on Dec 18, 2013 0:46:53 GMT
And as swann is ineffective against the Aussie right handers I'd send him home to rest
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