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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 6, 2013 23:26:17 GMT
Looks like Bairstow maybe out of the picture - not playing in the second warm up game. It's good watching the game from Tasmania on Sky Sports 2. I still think Bairstows time may come ....he is still only young and there is definitely something there to be brought out I agree Bish. He showed some great promise initially. It does seem a strange decision not to give him any game time so far. If he isn't in contention for the first test then you'd assume he wouldn't play in the final warm up match - which can't help the lad get in a position to compete for the rest of the tour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:36:39 GMT
I still think Bairstows time may come ....he is still only young and there is definitely something there to be brought out I agree Bish. He should some great promise initially. It does seem a strange decision not to give him any game time so far. If he isn't in contention for the first test then you'd assume he wouldn't play in the final warm up match - which can't help the lad get in a position to compete for the rest of the tour. The thing is mate ,the selectors must have an idea of the side they want to put out for the first couple of Tests at least ....on these modern day tours there is so little cricket played before and in between Test matches that priority time out in the middle must be given to those players who are probably going to feature in the tests ...Unfortunate on the other guys in the party ....Especially if at some point they have to come into the side ..that's just the way the modern fixture lists pan out ....Perhaps it's just too much international cricket ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 6, 2013 23:45:42 GMT
I agree Bish. He should some great promise initially. It does seem a strange decision not to give him any game time so far. If he isn't in contention for the first test then you'd assume he wouldn't play in the final warm up match - which can't help the lad get in a position to compete for the rest of the tour. The thing is mate ,the selectors must have an idea of the side they want to put out for the first couple of Tests at least ....on these modern day tours there is so little cricket played before and in between Test matches that priority time out in the middle must be given to those players who are probably going to feature in the tests ...Unfortunate on the other guys in the party ....Especially if at some point they have to come into the side ..that's just the way the modern fixture lists pan out ....Perhaps it's just too much international cricket ? You're probably right. But it's a big risk as he's got far more test experience than any of the other candidates for the spare batting slot. I guess they just see him as the backup keeper, and batting option for later in the tour if things aren't going well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:52:34 GMT
The thing is mate ,the selectors must have an idea of the side they want to put out for the first couple of Tests at least ....on these modern day tours there is so little cricket played before and in between Test matches that priority time out in the middle must be given to those players who are probably going to feature in the tests ...Unfortunate on the other guys in the party ....Especially if at some point they have to come into the side ..that's just the way the modern fixture lists pan out ....Perhaps it's just too much international cricket ? You're probably right. But it's a big risk as he's got far more test experience than any of the other candidates for the spare batting slot. I guess they just see him as the backup keeper, and batting option for later in the tour if things aren't going well. I think you are correct in your assumption mate ...that may well be Bairstows role on this tour ....but I think he will come into the frame before Ballance or Stokes should the need arise ....unless there is a requirement for Stokes bowling ....HEAVEN FORBID
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 7, 2013 0:16:43 GMT
You're probably right. But it's a big risk as he's got far more test experience than any of the other candidates for the spare batting slot. I guess they just see him as the backup keeper, and batting option for later in the tour if things aren't going well. I think you are correct in your assumption mate ...that may well be Bairstows role on this tour ....but I think he will come into the frame before Ballance or Stokes should the need arise ....unless there is a requirement for Stokes bowling ....HEAVEN FORBID Yep, Stokes is a strange one isn't he? Why not Woaks since they thought he was worth a shout at the Oval? Or even Moeen Ali? Don't know much about Balance but if he's behind of Carbarry - who is a decent one day hitter - but is he really test class (and that's coming from somebody who lives in Hampshire and goes to the odd game)?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 0:24:11 GMT
I think you are correct in your assumption mate ...that may well be Bairstows role on this tour ....but I think he will come into the frame before Ballance or Stokes should the need arise ....unless there is a requirement for Stokes bowling ....HEAVEN FORBID Yep, Stokes is a strange one isn't he? Why not Woaks since they thought he was worth a shout at the Oval? Or even Moeen Ali? Don't know much about Balance but if he's behind of Carbarry - who is a decent one day hitter - but is he really test class (and that's coming from somebody who lives in Hampshire and goes to the odd game)? I think they like Stokes for some reason...he was int the frame a couple of seasons ago and then broke his thumb or finger badly and that pushed him down the pecking order ....personally from what I've seen I'm not sure Stokes or Woakes is good enough ...I would rather play without an all rounder than pick one who isn't good enough ...I'm the same as you I haven't seen hardly anything of Ballance so I can't really have a comment about the lad....as for Carberry I'm not sure of him ....I never regarded him as a one day player until he a had a good season this year...
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 7, 2013 0:39:57 GMT
Yep, Stokes is a strange one isn't he? Why not Woaks since they thought he was worth a shout at the Oval? Or even Moeen Ali? Don't know much about Balance but if he's behind of Carbarry - who is a decent one day hitter - but is he really test class (and that's coming from somebody who lives in Hampshire and goes to the odd game)? I think they like Stokes for some reason...he was int the frame a couple of seasons ago and then broke his thumb or finger badly and that pushed him down the pecking order ....personally from what I've seen I'm not sure Stokes or Woakes is good enough ...I would rather play without an all rounder than pick one who isn't good enough ...I'm the same as you I haven't seen hardly anything of Ballance so I can't really have a comment about the lad....as for Carberry I'm not sure of him ....I never regarded him as a one day player until he a had a good season this year... Yes, we had too many after Botham retired of "bits and pieces" type of allrounders - Pringle, DeFreitas, Cork, Craig White, etc. - who could do one thing well, and the other thing OK. There's only really been Freddy and ITB who you'd possibly pick as a batsman or a bowler.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 0:48:13 GMT
I think they like Stokes for some reason...he was int the frame a couple of seasons ago and then broke his thumb or finger badly and that pushed him down the pecking order ....personally from what I've seen I'm not sure Stokes or Woakes is good enough ...I would rather play without an all rounder than pick one who isn't good enough ...I'm the same as you I haven't seen hardly anything of Ballance so I can't really have a comment about the lad....as for Carberry I'm not sure of him ....I never regarded him as a one day player until he a had a good season this year... Yes, we had too many after Botham retired of "bits and pieces" type of allrounders - Pringle, DeFreitas, Cork, Craig White, etc. - who could do one thing well, and the other thing OK. There's only really been Freddy and ITB who you'd possibly pick as a batsman or a bowler. The only genuine all rounders who have played for England in my era who have been worthy of the name are Ian Botham and The great Tony Greig...I'm sorry but for me Andrew Flintoff did not fall into that category , good cricketer though he was .....Derek Pringles !!! For gods sake how on earth could he have played in 50 Test Matches for England ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 7, 2013 0:54:46 GMT
Yes, we had too many after Botham retired of "bits and pieces" type of allrounders - Pringle, DeFreitas, Cork, Craig White, etc. - who could do one thing well, and the other thing OK. There's only really been Freddy and ITB who you'd possibly pick as a batsman or a bowler. The only genuine all rounders who have played for England in my era who have been worthy of the name are Ian Botham and The great Tony Greig...I'm sorry but for me Andrew Flintoff did not fall into that category , good cricketer though he was .....Derek Pringles !!! For gods sake how on earth could he have played in 50 Test Matches for England ? Greigy was just before my cricket watching. Just. Derek Pringle? FFS. He had an earring didn't he?! Freddy did have a period when he was a bloody good all rounder - for a while. His stats never really got close to ITB. I'll agree with you that for much of his England career he was pretty average. They saw something in him and persevered for a long time with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 9:58:15 GMT
The only genuine all rounders who have played for England in my era who have been worthy of the name are Ian Botham and The great Tony Greig...I'm sorry but for me Andrew Flintoff did not fall into that category , good cricketer though he was .....Derek Pringles !!! For gods sake how on earth could he have played in 50 Test Matches for England ? Greigy was just before my cricket watching. Just. Derek Pringle? FFS. He had an earring didn't he?! Freddy did have a period when he was a bloody good all rounder - for a while. His stats never really got close to ITB. I'll agree with you that for much of his England career he was pretty average. They saw something in him and persevered for a long time with him. The ear ring was just about the best thing that Pringle possessed ! Because he certainly could not bat or bowl ! Possibly the worst cricketer to appear for for England on a regular basis .The latter end of Flintoff's career saw the best of him as a bowler ....I never felt him to be a genuine all rounder , he had the ability to play crash bang innings on occasion which he did , but his batting was disappointing for a lot of the time
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2013 22:28:35 GMT
Michael Clarke believes mitchell Johnson will be man of the series
Pisser
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:48:22 GMT
Michael Clarke believes mitchell Johnson will be man of the series Pisser Really ? I can't understand why he is saying that unless it's a ploy to fire Johnson up a little ?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2013 23:25:56 GMT
Scraping the barrel
Debut to their 20/20 specialist
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 23:30:32 GMT
Scraping the barrel Debut to their 20/20 specialist George Bailey has never come anywhere near their Test side before now .....hope it does not prove to be an inspired selection , but he does not strike me as being Test quality ( although he would be in good company in their current side )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 23:32:42 GMT
Michael Clarke believes mitchell Johnson will be man of the series Pisser To be fair to him though , he has to come across as being confident , difficult task when there is nothing to be confident about
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Post by salopstick on Nov 12, 2013 23:49:58 GMT
I don't think it will be as close as the pundits think.
And swan can turn the ball on most pitches
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 23:55:18 GMT
I don't think it will be as close as the pundits think. And swan can turn the ball on most pitches The batting should be the difference , I back England to score bigger than them...it can't see Australia out scoring England
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Post by salopstick on Nov 13, 2013 0:01:13 GMT
Can't wait for day 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 0:07:03 GMT
Me too mate ....my son is back from Australia after two years there on the same day ....it will be great to sit and watch it with him with a case of beers between us ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 1:03:09 GMT
News from The Camp of the Deludeds ... Johnson - I think it would be fair to say, All of Australia is praying he can at least bowl straight. If he can't, they're f**ked. The Blonde Saviour Of Australian Cricket (one day, anyway) ... may, or may not, be fit (so no change there) Bailey is the oldest Australian to receive a full test cap. If that isn't desperation, I don't know what is (though I reckon the bloke will prove one of their strongest bats, over the series, to be fair. That type of player, I reckon) Clarkey is, delighted to be meeting the old foe in another Ashes encounter. He reckons, it's great for test cricket that two such competitive sides are meeting again so soon. Nothing like wishful thinking, is there And now for the weather ... Muggy ... www.weatherzone.com.au/qld/brisbane/brisbaneObviously that's for the seven days (almost) up to the first test ... But if it stays like that it's typical Queensland early Summer (well, very late Spring) - Should swing, will turn late on, I reckon - However, if they keep the depression into the following week (the weather related one!) then rain may have an effect on the outcome ... (1 week and 1 day to go) Hope you enjoy watching with your lad, bish - Be a big day in the Bispham household
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 10:14:30 GMT
News from The Camp of the Deludeds ... Johnson - I think it would be fair to say, All of Australia is praying he can at least bowl straight. If he can't, they're f**ked. The Blonde Saviour Of Australian Cricket (one day, anyway) ... may, or may not, be fit (so no change there) Bailey is the oldest Australian to receive a full test cap. If that isn't desperation, I don't know what is (though I reckon the bloke will prove one of their strongest bats, over the series, to be fair. That type of player, I reckon) Clarkey is, delighted to be meeting the old foe in another Ashes encounter. He reckons, it's great for test cricket that two such competitive sides are meeting again so soon. Nothing like wishful thinking, is there And now for the weather ... Muggy ... www.weatherzone.com.au/qld/brisbane/brisbaneObviously that's for the seven days (almost) up to the first test ... But if it stays like that it's typical Queensland early Summer (well, very late Spring) - Should swing, will turn late on, I reckon - However, if they keep the depression into the following week (the weather related one!) then rain may have an effect on the outcome ... (1 week and 1 day to go) Hope you enjoy watching with your lad, bish - Be a big day in the Bispham household Thanks mate it will be enjoyed .....
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 13, 2013 12:13:54 GMT
Me too mate ....my son is back from Australia after two years there on the same day ....it will be great to sit and watch it with him with a case of beers between us ... That's sound mate! I just hope the cricket does the "get together" justice! I can't wait either. The only downside for me is settling down with a brew around 11.30pm(ish) and going through the usual "just one more over" before I go to bed (if there's work in the morning). Luchtime comes (tea if we're doing really well) and then I'm like the walking dead in the office next day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:30:21 GMT
Me too mate ....my son is back from Australia after two years there on the same day ....it will be great to sit and watch it with him with a case of beers between us ... That's sound mate! I just hope the cricket does the "get together" justice! I can't wait either. The only downside for me is settling down with a brew around 11.30pm(ish) and going through the usual "just one more over" before I go to bed (if there's work in the morning). Luchtime comes (tea if we're doing really well) and then I'm like the walking dead in the office next day. I've done that myself mate on previous tours and before you know it 5 a.m. Is staring you in the face .....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:33:32 GMT
It looks as if Bairstow may well come to the fore in the first test ....behind the stumps as keeper , Prior must be struggling to be fit with a calf tear
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2013 19:28:11 GMT
Michael Clarke believes mitchell Johnson will be man of the series Pisser Really ? I can't understand why he is saying that unless it's a ploy to fire Johnson up a little ? He didn't say which side he'd be man of the series for though !
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2013 19:34:51 GMT
It looks as if Bairstow may well come to the fore in the first test ....behind the stumps as keeper , Prior must be struggling to be fit with a calf tear I think with patience he'll make a test batter but as a wicket keeper I'd place him behind Read, Davies, Kieswetter and Butler. Read's face doesn't fit and is getting on and even though he's left my team Somerset now I'd pick draft Butler into the squad as he has the potential to be a stunning player.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 13, 2013 19:38:39 GMT
Is Tremlett going to get the nod - as Clarke seems to think?
Seems strange to leave him out of this warm-up match especially considering the last warm-up game didn't get him turning his arm over?
Don't want him doing a Harmison do we.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:10:17 GMT
It looks as if Bairstow may well come to the fore in the first test ....behind the stumps as keeper , Prior must be struggling to be fit with a calf tear I think with patience he'll make a test batter but as a wicket keeper I'd place him behind Read, Davies, Kieswetter and Butler. Read's face doesn't fit and is getting on and even though he's left my team Somerset now I'd pick draft Butler into the squad as he has the potential to be a stunning player. There is no doubt in my mind that Chris Read is the best wicket keeper in England and has been for years ...and he should have been playing for England for the last ten years on a regular basis....sadly they don't select teams on that basis these days
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:13:33 GMT
It looks as if Bairstow may well come to the fore in the first test ....behind the stumps as keeper , Prior must be struggling to be fit with a calf tear I think with patience he'll make a test batter but as a wicket keeper I'd place him behind Read, Davies, Kieswetter and Butler. Read's face doesn't fit and is getting on and even though he's left my team Somerset now I'd pick draft Butler into the squad as he has the potential to be a stunning player. True but in an emergency ...that's what you get I'm afraid...I'm sure he will do well though
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Post by buddha on Nov 13, 2013 23:34:12 GMT
Look out for my stoke flag at the gabba my mates gone for the first test .
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