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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 1:52:19 GMT
You might be hearing/seeing lots of rhetoric over there ... Over 'ere I can assure you that they've also been very ... Oh, there's one day series in India? Really, wow and you scored 350 ... Oh, you lost that game ... Yeah, Xmas is a long way off Are you saying there is a lack of interest then ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2013 16:09:23 GMT
You might be hearing/seeing lots of rhetoric over there ... Over 'ere I can assure you that they've also been very ... Oh, there's one day series in India? Really, wow and you scored 350 ... Oh, you lost that game ... Yeah, Xmas is a long way off Are you saying there is a lack of interest then ? It sounds like a burying Your head in the sand moment more than a lack of interest!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 16:30:28 GMT
You might be hearing/seeing lots of rhetoric over there ... Over 'ere I can assure you that they've also been very ... Oh, there's one day series in India? Really, wow and you scored 350 ... Oh, you lost that game ... Yeah, Xmas is a long way off Are you saying there is a lack of interest then ? I have to be honest and say there hasn't been a massive thing about it, so far, Bish. Though I guess that will ramp up when the India tour concludes. Bless 'em, but - in my experience - they tend not to shout about things if they don't think they're going to win; or at the very least, put up a good show. I think there is more fear of getting a kicking, than there is genuine hope for an Aussie victory. It'll be a sell out, it always is (sadly I'm away from here, for the Boxing Day test, or I would have been there) ... and if they do manage to win/draw the first test (Perth?) then they will be making some noise. If they lose it ... Netball will become the National Sport for a couple of months. TV Pundit wise, they are hoping Johnson can bowl somewhere near the wickets (while trying desperately not to big up his return too much) ... But - like the everyday fans - the pundits also think they need to get off to a good start, or there will be trouble. Aussie Cricket is going through a bit of a downer on itself, in general. Their domestic cricket (Sheffield Shield) is pretty shocking and - going by the views of the majority of their pundits I have seen/read - there seems to be few young players who look to have what it takes to be the next Shane or Glenn. Plenty of decent lads, but that isn't what they are after. Sport is a massive thing over here; and the country does tend to judge itself by how well their international teams are doing (and just lately, that's not been too good). Sport was a way they could punch above their weight on the International Stage - They have a bit of a national hangup about being the forgotten country. So it matters probably more than it should, when it isn't going well (and when it is).
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 1, 2013 18:19:09 GMT
Part of the Aussie problem is they're always on the lookout for the next McGrath, Warne or Ponting these are once in a lifetime cricketers they would better off trying to find the next McDermott, May or Slater.
The problem with this is they promote players before their time and then discard them when they don't perform, Waugh needed 15+ tests from memory their current players are lucky to get 4 or 5 at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:39:51 GMT
Are you saying there is a lack of interest then ? I have to be honest and say there hasn't been a massive thing about it, so far, Bish. Though I guess that will ramp up when the India tour concludes. Bless 'em, but - in my experience - they tend not to shout about things if they don't think they're going to win; or at the very least, put up a good show. I think there is more fear of getting a kicking, than there is genuine hope for an Aussie victory. It'll be a sell out, it always is (sadly I'm away from here, for the Boxing Day test, or I would have been there) ... and if they do manage to win/draw the first test (Perth?) then they will be making some noise. If they lose it ... Netball will become the National Sport for a couple of months. TV Pundit wise, they are hoping Johnson can bowl somewhere near the wickets (while trying desperately not to big up his return too much) ... But - like the everyday fans - the pundits also think they need to get off to a good start, or there will be trouble. Aussie Cricket is going through a bit of a downer on itself, in general. Their domestic cricket (Sheffield Shield) is pretty shocking and - going by the views of the majority of their pundits I have seen/read - there seems to be few young players who look to have what it takes to be the next Shane or Glenn. Plenty of decent lads, but that isn't what they are after. Sport is a massive thing over here; and the country does tend to judge itself by how well their international teams are doing (and just lately, that's not been too good). Sport was a way they could punch above their weight on the International Stage - They have a bit of a national hangup about being the forgotten country. So it matters probably more than it should, when it isn't going well (and when it is). We'll I think ( and indeed hope ) that they may be in for another disappointing time this series as well, there is a school of thought that Australia played well last summer and were a little unlucky, I don't subscribe to that at all, it's more to do with the fact that we didn't play anywhere near to our best ,yet we still ran out comfortable winners .England can certainly play to a much higher standard and I'm sure they will....I'm not sure Australia can lift their game much higher , to be honest I don't see much in the Australian batting barring Clarke that could that could score them enough runs to win the series ....they would need to win at least two Tests to stand any sort of chance of doing that, the odd good performance by certain players like Smith and Warner won't be enough and if they are talking about Bailey playing in the Tests ,the cupboard must bare indeed...I don't see many good prospects on the horizon for them yet either ,certainly no player that stands out as being a potential long term run scorer at this level
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:42:04 GMT
Are you saying there is a lack of interest then ? It sounds like a burying Your head in the sand moment more than a lack of interest! A bit of both I think .....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2013 22:05:16 GMT
The first England collapse of the winter, I'm glad the cricket's back!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 22:48:24 GMT
The first England collapse of the winter, I'm glad the cricket's back! But who scored yet another century ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2013 22:49:23 GMT
The first England collapse of the winter, I'm glad the cricket's back! But who scored yet another century ? Trott?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 7:21:53 GMT
Part of the Aussie problem is they're always on the lookout for the next McGrath, Warne or Ponting these are once in a lifetime cricketers they would better off trying to find the next McDermott, May or Slater. The problem with this is they promote players before their time and then discard them when they don't perform, Waugh needed 15+ tests from memory their current players are lucky to get 4 or 5 at the moment. I had almost exactly that conversation with a twenty something Aussie, last night. He's never known anything but Pontins, Warnes and oo-ahs. It's not a case of that generation looking for where the next lot come from - though older generations undoubtly are - more of a disabelief that it wasn't always going to be like that. So expectations are placed on players - who are not as good as that decade when Oz seemed to be able to produce nothing else - which those players then fail to meet (replace/repeat). I think it may take a while (or another series of miracle births) before they - as we had to - get around to seriously addressing the issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 9:52:47 GMT
But who scored yet another century ? Trott? Him as well .....
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 6, 2013 0:14:08 GMT
Looks like Bairstow maybe out of the picture - not playing in the second warm up game.
It's good watching the game from Tasmania on Sky Sports 2.
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Post by stoke111 on Nov 6, 2013 7:17:33 GMT
Has Carbs done enough to get in the starting 11? Drop root to 6?
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Post by greenhoff74 on Nov 6, 2013 7:35:06 GMT
Cook 154 carberry 153 at close of play
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 9:30:34 GMT
eng to win the ashes 21/20
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 10:03:38 GMT
Has Carbs done enough to get in the starting 11? Drop root to 6? I would say so , I always felt that it was a pity to move Root out of the middle order before the last series, he looks more suited there than as an opener , although he opens for Yorkshire
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 10:05:57 GMT
Cook 154 carberry 153 at close of play Carberry looks a good bet to open in the first Test , Cook looks to be back to his best after the blip that was last summer ......ominous signs for Australia
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 10:07:39 GMT
Over to you Shane ........
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 6, 2013 13:29:05 GMT
That looks quite healthy. I'd love it if we spanked em again!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 15:02:07 GMT
That looks quite healthy. I'd love it if we spanked em again! Cook looked in marvelous form Harry , the batsmen seem to be running into form at the right time ....Only needs Pietersen and Root to get a few now
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 6, 2013 19:56:59 GMT
That looks quite healthy. I'd love it if we spanked em again! Cook looked in marvelous form Harry , the batsmen seem to be running into form at the right time ....Only needs Pietersen and Root to get a few now Last time we were out there, it was my favourite series ever mate. They literally couldn't get Cook out - I think his average was almost four figures! When Siddle got that early hatrick, I got a bit twitchy but it was just one great day after another.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 20:03:00 GMT
Cook looked in marvelous form Harry , the batsmen seem to be running into form at the right time ....Only needs Pietersen and Root to get a few now Last time we were out there, it was my favourite series ever mate. They literally couldn't get Cook out - I think his average was almost four figures! When Siddle got that early hatrick, I got a bit twitchy but it was just one great day after another. Yes mate .....I don't know whether he can reach those dizzy heights again .....but I wouldn't bet against it .....if our batting is firing ( not like in the summer ) I can't see us not winning
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 6, 2013 21:21:34 GMT
Last time we were out there, it was my favourite series ever mate. They literally couldn't get Cook out - I think his average was almost four figures! When Siddle got that early hatrick, I got a bit twitchy but it was just one great day after another. Yes mate .....I don't know whether he can reach those dizzy heights again .....but I wouldn't bet against it .....if our batting is firing ( not like in the summer ) I can't see us not winning I'll give today's highlights a butchers later. I'm with you as far as the summer series went. We really under performed and still won comfortably. If Cook gets his form back, Trott is his old stubborn self at 3, Pietersen chips in with a couple of good ones and Bell carries on were he left off, then I can't see us losing? Cook is a "careful" captain, but I feel that the bowlers will be really up for it again? There will be a comparative new boy chipping in with some good figures also me thinks? Don't think we'll win 3, but fingers crossed things go well again! P.S. Not forgetting a dose of good old Bispham positive thinking bud!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 21:26:21 GMT
Yes mate .....I don't know whether he can reach those dizzy heights again .....but I wouldn't bet against it .....if our batting is firing ( not like in the summer ) I can't see us not winning I'll give today's highlights a butchers later. I'm with you as far as the summer series went. We really under performed and still won comfortably. If Cook gets his form back, Trott is his old stubborn self at 3, Pietersen chips in with a couple of good ones and Bell carries on were he left off, then I can't see us losing? Cook is a "careful" captain, but I feel that the bowlers will be really up for it again? There will be a comparative new boy chipping in with some good figures also me thinks? Don't think we'll win 3, but fingers crossed things go well again! P.S. Not forgetting a dose of good old Bispham positive thinking bud! The old positive thinking will be there Harry I'm forever the optimist ! As has been proved so many times before in Cricket .....you just never know, as they say it's a funny game ....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 22:50:57 GMT
Cook 154 carberry 153 at close of play Carberry looks a good bet to open in the first Test , Cook looks to be back to his best after the blip that was last summer ......ominous signs for Australia Awful Aussie bowling attack though. Carberry looked poor against the Aussie pacemen albeit in the one dayers, I'd be tempted to stick with Root up top myself.......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 22:55:42 GMT
Carberry looks a good bet to open in the first Test , Cook looks to be back to his best after the blip that was last summer ......ominous signs for Australia Awful Aussie bowling attack though. Carberry looked poor against the Aussie pacemen albeit in the one dayers, I'd be tempted to stick with Root up top myself....... It was awful mate ....but you can see the way they are thinking ,otherwise I think Root would have been opening in this one ......to be fair I liked the look of Root more when he was in the middle order not withstanding that 180 he got ...Never really thought of Carberry as a Test Opener though ...we shall see
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:02:23 GMT
Carberry looks a good bet to open in the first Test , Cook looks to be back to his best after the blip that was last summer ......ominous signs for Australia Awful Aussie bowling attack though. Carberry looked poor against the Aussie pacemen albeit in the one dayers, I'd be tempted to stick with Root up top myself....... If I was an Australian Cricket follower I would be quite concerned knowing that that lot were next up on the Grid ! In fact some of them have played Test Cricket And the standard of Australian Fielding has dropped alarmingly in recent years ....something they have always excelled at
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:06:25 GMT
Looks like Bairstow maybe out of the picture - not playing in the second warm up game. It's good watching the game from Tasmania on Sky Sports 2. I still think Bairstows time may come ....he is still only young and there is definitely something there to be brought out
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:06:30 GMT
Awful Aussie bowling attack though. Carberry looked poor against the Aussie pacemen albeit in the one dayers, I'd be tempted to stick with Root up top myself....... If I was an Australian Cricket follower I would be quite concerned knowing that that lot were next up on the Grid ! In fact some of them have played Test Cricket Root should have remained in the middle order imo however I'm convinced he has the temperament and determination to iron out his weaknesses and succeed as an opener. I actually feel really sorry for Compton, not the most dynamic of batsmen but was treated poorly by the selectors.........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:12:30 GMT
If I was an Australian Cricket follower I would be quite concerned knowing that that lot were next up on the Grid ! In fact some of them have played Test Cricket Root should have remained in the middle order imo however I'm convinced he has the temperament and determination to iron out his weaknesses and succeed as an opener. I actually feel really sorry for Compton, not the most dynamic of batsmen but was treated poorly by the selectors......... My thoughts exactly ....I'm sure Root will work it out ...his technique seems a little in and out at the moment for opening at this level...but I think he will have the right attitude and work on it. Nick Compton has real cause for complaint as far as I'm concerned , very poor treatment of a batsman who only a handful of innings earlier scored back to back hundreds ....his face does not fit despite his family background and famous surname
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