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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 20:02:54 GMT
Can't see us getting out of this one though Bispham? If they bat well tomorrow, then the likelihood is that we will have two days to get 500+ ( 6 sessions to bat out for a draw in effect?) Even if they have a collapse similar to ours, that will stil leave us with a target of around 350 and 7 sessions to survive? Much stranger things have happened, but it looks like it will take some dodgy weather - and/or an "Athertonesque" effort from at least a couple of our batsmen to save the test. Hopefully, it will serve as one of those "wake up calls" that the pundits refer to and we do much better in the other 4? I still think we are the much better side, but If we can bat badly enough to put Nathan Lyon on a hatrick then it's a big concern mate! Wasn't it at Brisbane just three short years ago that we made 517 -1 in the second innings and drew the game ? I'm not suggesting that this will happen in this Test , but you never know Harry .....the so called supporters role out the same negative rubbish every Test we play ...anybody who has played or had any involvement in Cricket knows that these things happen ....nobody and I mean nobody would have predicted that we would be bowled out on here for 136 ....although there are one ore two on here who said they knew it was going to happen .....I just don't know why they bother to watch ? Total negatives all the time ....typical Oatcake reaction It's not negative to point out batsmen who seem to get out time and time again to the same mistakes in fairness. Take Trott for example, the Aussies have identified his achilles heel and he seems inacapable/unwilling to work at rectifying it. Root is young and will hopefully learn but plays streaky shots that he should be leaving alone. A whole entarage of coaches and all the video analysis in the world but the players don't seem to want to knuckle down at times. We were posting real big scores 18/24 months ago and despite the Ashes win in the summer we struggled to do that. It's up to them to prove they have the nouse to turn it round but the way some of them fronted up to a bit of hostile bowling was embarassing really, like they'd never faced a bit of pace and bounce before.......
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 22, 2013 20:23:12 GMT
We hardly ever win at the Gabba, our record there is dismal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 20:52:24 GMT
We hardly ever win at the Gabba, our record there is dismal. Or Perth, that's why I went for 2-2.......
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Post by sydneypotter on Nov 22, 2013 22:45:17 GMT
Well, here we are. It's day three and a high chance of rain on the horizon. Yesterday was enormous for Australia.
Test Cricket is the winner here. The pundits have already written off this crop of Australians, having described them as pitiful, woeful, not a shadow of former teams and so on. The recent changes to coaching staff and a return to more traditional Australian coaching methods appear to have brought with them a marked change in players attitudes. That is, if you discount the first inning s batting display. The bowling, fielding and planning during the English first innings was exemplary.
Don’t misunderstand me, the current series is far from decided on the strength of a single very poor batting session yesterday.
We were pleasantly surprised by the rebirth of a talented Johnson both as a batsman and a bowler. Yes, I do know that most English fans don’t rate Mitch after a number of not so good performances in recent times, but on this form he is to be underestimated at your peril. After the first three new ball overs (still showing signs of lack of control) he was devastating. His pace and guile with the scuffed Kookaburra was extraordinary. It’s a pity that he couldn’t complete the show with a fivefor on the day.
Lyons two wickets were a joy to watch. No, the ball didn’t zing side wards but the bounce from what is essentially a batsman’s wicket surprised the batsmen and the rest was history. Even that most eminent of English commenters David Lloyd was singing the praises of this underrated bowler. Is that Bumbles? Terrific name for this proud and knowledgeable man from Lancashire. It would seem that Mr Root might have a long summer in front of him at six. He was perhaps the one batsman who was responsible for his own dismissal. He cant afford to stick on the crease on the harder Aus wickets. Over stretching for the ball can only have one result here. It might turn out to be a good lesson to learn for later in his career.
Today could be a make or break day for the Aus team and set the tone for the rest of this series. If, and it’s a big if, Davey Warner can manage his need to smash every delivery and settle down to being an opening test bat then this team might start to right the Ashes ledger. I’m an unashamed fan of Davey. A diamond in the rough for sure, he’s a Sydney Western Suburbs larrikin with a shed load of talent to boot. If only he can control his blasted temper off the field then he might have a lengthy stay with the baggy greens. If not then the ACB will promptly dispatch him back to the Sheffield Shield State comp and One Dayers I’m pretty sure that this wicket will start to break up during today and might prove to be a thorn in the side during the fourth innings. Could be a wicket made for a spinner to take the match by the throat. That is, if the promised storms don’t play havoc with the game, and given the weather forecast that’s highly probable.
By the way, Broad would look great wearing a baggy green. He's a fine bowler and looks to be a gritty competitor to compliment his skills. Yes In know he was booed on and off the field. But he should take that as a compliment. Australian crowds has great regard for good fast bowlers not matter which team they play for. His performance with both bat and ball were appreciated by all who witnessed the first two days. Although I did think that wearing an upturned painted bed pan on his head doesn't do much to enhance his appearance.
Here’s hoping for a rain free third day.
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Post by jonah77 on Nov 22, 2013 23:23:41 GMT
Lets be honest here mate.1 apauling innings from England doesn't mean that the Aussies have now got a chance. We will learn from this and we will win the series.Handsomely.Of that I am certain. P.S. Warner is a cock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 23:40:00 GMT
The England cricket team are a bit like Stoke. Why do things the easy way, when there is a far more difficult way to do it?
I only watched the first hour and a half last night (yes I know a whimp), but I did have a lot of work to get through today. The bowling was quick, but wasn't showing any signs of doing what eventually happened.
How it happened on a good wicket is a mystery - but that's England for you.
We'll be ok.
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Nov 23, 2013 0:16:04 GMT
good to see a Stoke top in the crowd after the wicket.
Ws that you Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 0:23:49 GMT
good to see a Stoke top in the crowd after the wicket. Ws that you Joe. He will be the one in the grimreaper costume.
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Post by sydneypotter on Nov 23, 2013 0:55:01 GMT
A slow and steady 50 for Davey. The rain is falling.
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Post by sydneypotter on Nov 23, 2013 0:55:25 GMT
They're off
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Post by sydneypotter on Nov 23, 2013 3:06:30 GMT
Warner 101, Clarke 51 Well done Davey
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 7:30:30 GMT
Embarrassing, abject, inept, toothless, use any of those words to describe this England performance. As bad as it gets and it will take some turning round from here. Trott is terribly out of form and appears to arrogant or stupid to work on his blatant weakness, he's never had his position threatened since he broke into the team and maybe now it's time. Swann has been totally outbowled by Lyons who many deride, how Tremlett finished with 3/65 is beyond me? Optimists like bisphampotter will say "another bad day at the office" but we don't appear to have any kind of gameplan. Touch of complacency maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 8:16:39 GMT
This is me after watching all that.... A good likeness if i do say so myself.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 23, 2013 9:14:18 GMT
if we are going to be smashed in a test, its better its the first one. massive rethink needed for the rest of the series. Need Cook and Pietersen to make centuries tomorrow, the game is all but gone, but just to restore some confidence and pride. i said avoid defeat in this first test and we will win the series. We will lose this one, but our side is bloody good, with some excellent leaders in it. I have faith they can come back from this - need to not let the press aftermath be blown out of proportion like we would for our football team.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 23, 2013 9:26:05 GMT
If Warner and Clarke can get centuries, then so can our batsmen. It strange how top, confident players can turn into quivering wrecks over night though? Maybe, after all the hype, Cook will get a double ton, Pietersen will have a majestic innings and Bell and Prior will come good too. I'm not going to hold my breath though?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 10:13:23 GMT
If Warner and Clarke can get centuries, then so can our batsmen. It strange how top, confident players can turn into quivering wrecks over night though? Maybe, after all the hype, Cook will get a double ton, Pietersen will have a majestic innings and Bell and Prior will come good too. I'm not going to hold my breath though? No one seems to be shining in either the opening role or the no. 6 role so for me I'd push Root back up top, bring Stokes in at number 6 and replace Tremlett with Finn. That way you can use Finn in short sharp bursts without worrying so much about the amount of runs per over he's giving away. Stokes has genuine pace I've seen him pushing 90mph for Durham, and quite frankly he can't do any worse at number 6 as the last lot. Still baffled as to my Compton was tossed aside and replaced with Carberry who in my opinion is a County player and not an International one. It won't happen as the selectors/coaches are stuck rigidly to the 4 pronged bowling attack but it leaves us toothless at times. The Aussies can't bat any worse than they did in England but we can sure as hell bowl a lot worse.....
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Post by danzim on Nov 23, 2013 10:16:40 GMT
Smashin the poms. Nothin better. Now a win tonight and my saturday is complete.
Sent from my GT-I9300T using proboards
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Post by bignickhowes on Nov 23, 2013 18:38:22 GMT
a long way to go in the ashes yet. hope we can bat a bit and with the help of the rain get a draw in this test
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2013 19:24:39 GMT
Are we still playing? I've buried my head in the sand!
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 23, 2013 20:50:26 GMT
We'll get better. Sadly, this test has gone? Cook, Pietersen and Bell are all capable of batting for a day, but the Aussies have been given so much momentum now I reckon all 3 will be gone before lunch? Hope I'm wrong and we at least make the match look a bit more respectable?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2013 1:09:20 GMT
Moronic from Pietersen.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2013 3:13:37 GMT
Shit
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2013 3:34:03 GMT
I think we'll be all out by 6. I'm off to bed, looking forward to this excellent news. Oh and Joe, make it rain for 2 days, ta!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2013 4:11:55 GMT
If this keeps up...
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2013 7:17:05 GMT
The rain did it's best for us.
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Nov 24, 2013 8:29:33 GMT
Did anyone catch the verbal between Clarke and Anderson.
The bit I heard was Clarke saying to Anderson [about Johnson]
"He s going to Break your fucking arm"
Anyone hear anymore.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 24, 2013 8:53:30 GMT
Well, we will hopefully come back much better. The worrying thing for me is the scale of the defeat and new question marks against some of the players? We've also now acquired one of those infamous "bees in our bonnet" with Johnson. He will have his tail miles up now and although Cook, Pietersen, Bell, Broad and Anderson basically look in good nick to me, the momentum the Aussie's have gained will make things very difficult. Anyway, onwards and upwards, it can't get any worse - can it?!
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2013 11:23:25 GMT
Well, we will hopefully come back much better. The worrying thing for me is the scale of the defeat and new question marks against some of the players? We've also now acquired one of those infamous "bees in our bonnet" with Johnson. He will have his tail miles up now and although Cook, Pietersen, Bell, Broad and Anderson basically look in good nick to me, the momentum the Aussie's have gained will make things very difficult. Anyway, onwards and upwards, it can't get any worse - can it?! Even a broken clock is right twice a day so johnson will perform once a series but it's 4-5 years since he's bowled straight two tests in a row. Still only see England winning this series, we have a poor record at the Gabba and generally in first tests on tours think its 14 tours since we won the first test.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2013 13:13:48 GMT
If Warner and Clarke can get centuries, then so can our batsmen. It strange how top, confident players can turn into quivering wrecks over night though? Maybe, after all the hype, Cook will get a double ton, Pietersen will have a majestic innings and Bell and Prior will come good too. I'm not going to hold my breath though? No one seems to be shining in either the opening role or the no. 6 role so for me I'd push Root back up top, bring Stokes in at number 6 and replace Tremlett with Finn. That way you can use Finn in short sharp bursts without worrying so much about the amount of runs per over he's giving away. Stokes has genuine pace I've seen him pushing 90mph for Durham, and quite frankly he can't do any worse at number 6 as the last lot. Still baffled as to my Compton was tossed aside and replaced with Carberry who in my opinion is a County player and not an International one. It won't happen as the selectors/coaches are stuck rigidly to the 4 pronged bowling attack but it leaves us toothless at times. The Aussies can't bat any worse than they did in England but we can sure as hell bowl a lot worse..... Positions 3, 4 and 7 are hardly covering themselves in glory either! Our batting has been a problem since playing Pakistan in the UAE which a handful of good innings does not hide. As a collective unit it is painful to watch; we seem to wander from catatonic to frantic. Scared to hit the ball at times then trying it hit it out of its leather.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 24, 2013 13:52:04 GMT
I'm especially gutted with Prior? He watches Bell get out to Lyon in the first innings and then makes exactly the same error the next ball and gets a golden duck. Then, does it all over again in the second innings? Trott comes out for his second innings and all 11 Aussies are walking around with sandwich boards saying " we've set you a trap at square leg", and what does he do? I still think we'll come good too, but I saw a twitter message yesterday that read something like "Congratulations England, your time machine works. Welcome back to the 90s". I really do hope not?
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