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Post by redsaturday on Nov 22, 2013 5:59:07 GMT
Just seen dismissals hardly a decent ball bowled
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 5:59:56 GMT
So, if they want to win back that little urn, then their batsmen have to emulate their bowlers; and turn it on.
This test could be over in less than four days, if they cannot (one way or the other).
We should be playing for a draw. Which should at least keep you all tucked up in bed while we bore them to tears with ball and then bat.
I am struggling to remember a poorer pair of first innings to a first Ashes test. Other than Haddin, Johnson and Carberry nobody has put on any kind of a show at all. Poor, nervy stuff.
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 22, 2013 6:06:29 GMT
So, if they want to win back that little urn, then their batsmen have to emulate their bowlers; and turn it on. This test could be over in less than four days, if they cannot (one way or the other). We should be playing for a draw. Which should at least keep you all tucked up in bed while we bore them to tears with ball and then bat. I am struggling to remember a poorer pair of first innings to a first Ashes test. Other than Haddin, Johnson and Carberry nobody has put on any kind of a show at all. Poor, nervy stuff. I really can't see it happening the shackle draggers will dig deep now. With only 3 bowlers (tremlett is way past his sell by date) we could end up on the end of a thrashing
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Post by sydneypotter on Nov 22, 2013 6:07:22 GMT
Davey Warner looks to be fired up. But there again he always looks fired up. Mr Broad is the danger man for Aus. He's a born competitor
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 6:15:46 GMT
Davey Warner looks to be fired up. But there again he always looks fired up. Mr Broad is the danger man for Aus. He's a born competitor As the commentry team* were saying, earlier - Aggression (batting and bowling) appears to be the key criteria for this match. Timid batting and bowling (from us - when we let it drift after Haddin came in) has been punished. Broad was just about the only player for England displaying any aggression in the first innings. * ... I'm almost at the streaming radio stage!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 6:49:11 GMT
Swanny on. Nothing for our seamers with the new ball. Tomorrow looks like being a very long day.
Do you think us lacking a proper pace bowler will be the difference in this test (and series)?
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 22, 2013 6:56:01 GMT
On reflection, tonight wasn't worth staying up for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 7:00:54 GMT
On reflection, tonight wasn't worth staying up for. I'm glad I didn't have to. But I do (too) often think the same thing at stupid o'clock on a Sunday morning, after watching Stoke; so I know the dilemma and that feeling.
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 22, 2013 7:07:03 GMT
Swanny on. Nothing for our seamers with the new ball. Tomorrow looks like being a very long day. Do you think us lacking a proper pace bowler will be the difference in this test (and series)? No I think it's the batting
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 22, 2013 7:22:28 GMT
I'm not quite sure what bowling Joe Root is achieving?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 22, 2013 7:23:15 GMT
Nice to see we took full advantage of the 300+ runs wicket that everybody was talking about. Just happy the Ozzies 1st innings score was so poor and we were able to beat there loss of 4 wkts for 29 runs with a world beating 6 wkts for 9 runs.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Nov 22, 2013 7:23:20 GMT
On reflection, tonight wasn't worth staying up for. I'm glad I didn't have to. But I do (too) often think the same thing at stupid o'clock on a Sunday morning, after watching Stoke; so I know the dilemma and that feeling. I can imagine! Glad I don't have to do that every week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 7:46:45 GMT
Nice to see we took full advantage of the 300+ runs wicket that everybody was talking about. Just happy the Ozzies 1st innings score was so poor and we were able to beat there loss of 4 wkts for 29 runs with a world beating 6 wkts for 9 runs. As they showed in the last hour or so, there's absolutely nothing in the pitch. There is a question of whether proper pace is the way to bowl on it; but that's not the same thing. I've seen milk turn faster than the two that Lyon got his wickets with. We folded. The Great Kev went and the next 5 couldn't take some combo of the atmosphere / pace / aggression. A 400%+ improvement will be needed if we are to bat for the 2 days that will be required. The tiny hope for us - assuming they get the runs - is whether Clarkey comes over all timmid and bats for too long.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 22, 2013 7:59:15 GMT
At least we don't have to lose any sleep tonight? Tomorrow is going to be a long, long day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 8:00:40 GMT
Piss poor, and to be honest not unexpected apart from the scale of the collapse. I'm not saying this to be knee jerk as I voiced my concerns several times on the summer Ashes thread despite us winning 3-0, but the team needs a shake up. All the coaches, dieticians and analysis in the world will not help if the players can't dig in and tough an innings out. Trott is like a different player from 18 months ago, the Aussies have worked out his weakness and he's done squat to address it. Prior has got 3 golden ducks this calendar year and seeing Bell get out the ball before and playing that shot was criminal. Swann's bowling just hasn't got the X factor anymore, and whilst Tremlett bowls a steady line and length his lack of pace is pretty dismal when we're playing only 3 seamers, I would happily pad up and take my chances against him now. Cook is slipping back to the old technical problems he suffered when he was almost dropped and he needs to improve.
The bowling department is a massive issue, if 2 of Broad, Swann and Anderson aren't firing we just look toothless, thank God the Aussie top order is so average at times.
If our big name players such as Pietersen can get going I still give us a chance and my initial prediction was 2-2 and I'll stick by that, but some real worrying signs of late......
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Post by Gods on Nov 22, 2013 10:37:55 GMT
Whoops! We didn't really bat well all summer in truth, lets hope we don't go down like a deck of cards here. No one likes a smart arse but I saw that collapse coming first wicket down. I fancy we will get a real towelling in this series. In fact I said that too before the dust had settled on the series back in England in the summer. We stole a 3-0 win in that one and could equally well have lost it 2-1 on a different day and a fast improving Australian side along with home advantage and a touch of inevitable complacency on our side was always likely to see us put to bed this winter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:38:45 GMT
What a shambles, this was a true hiding.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 22, 2013 13:10:33 GMT
Whoops! We didn't really bat well all summer in truth, lets hope we don't go down like a deck of cards here. No one likes a smart arse but I saw that collapse coming first wicket down. I fancy we will get a real towelling in this series. In fact I said that too before the dust had settled on the series back in England in the summer. We stole a 3-0 win in that one and could equally well have lost it 2-1 on a different day and a fast improving Australian side along with home advantage and a touch of inevitable complacency on our side was always likely to see us put to bed this winter. Hopefully we won't be complacent enough to get a towelling mate? Most of the dismissals weren't down to awesome bowling, just half arsed batting. The 2 Lyon dismissals were pathetic - especially Prior, who I'm beginning to associate with first ball ducks these days? Don't like Anderson's body language, he looks a bit like a weary, battle worn pace bowler coming to the end of a long hard series, which is a worry? They've picked Tremlett for his control, but I wonder if anything will ever get his dander up - I'd love to see him get angry and show us that he's at least got a pulse? On the other side of the coin, Bell looks over confident and Root is kind of in no man's land. Is he an opener, is he a middle order batsman - he's already bowled too much for my liking? I know what you mean about the summer series. A 3 nil win should have felt like a thrashing but it certainly didn't. We need Cook to come into some proper form, Trott to get back to his old, fidgety, annoying self to slow things down a bit. Pietersen needs to start playing like " the best England player ever"' in these kind of situations and if Bell wants to swagger about like he's the mutt's nuts, then he should bat like it. Prior needs to last more than one ball, Anderson should look like he's just had a couple of months off and Tremlett wants to grow a pair. As for Broad, please don't get injured dude!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 22, 2013 13:44:50 GMT
Brews an will be back if fit next test
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 14:53:31 GMT
What a shambles, this was a true hiding. Have we lost the series already on day two ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 14:59:27 GMT
Whoops! We didn't really bat well all summer in truth, lets hope we don't go down like a deck of cards here. No one likes a smart arse but I saw that collapse coming first wicket down. I fancy we will get a real towelling in this series. In fact I said that too before the dust had settled on the series back in England in the summer. We stole a 3-0 win in that one and could equally well have lost it 2-1 on a different day and a fast improving Australian side along with home advantage and a touch of inevitable complacency on our side was always likely to see us put to bed this winter. Baloney .......the same baloney you have spouted all last summer .....it could equally and should have been at least 4-0 .... That is not a fast improving Australian side ....not by a long way , what we are seeing is an England batting order is that for some reason is failing itself badly ,it's the 2nd day of 25 for gods sake ! We have not been put to bed yet
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 15:03:33 GMT
The easiest way to play this Australian attack is from an armchair in front of the TV set ! There are some pretty good players on here from what I can see
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Post by Gods on Nov 22, 2013 15:28:47 GMT
No one likes a smart arse but I saw that collapse coming first wicket down. I fancy we will get a real towelling in this series. In fact I said that too before the dust had settled on the series back in England in the summer. We stole a 3-0 win in that one and could equally well have lost it 2-1 on a different day and a fast improving Australian side along with home advantage and a touch of inevitable complacency on our side was always likely to see us put to bed this winter. Baloney .......the same baloney you have spouted all last summer .....it could equally and should have been at least 4-0 .... That is not a fast improving Australian side ....not by a long way , what we are seeing is an England batting order is that for some reason is failing itself badly ,it's the 2nd day of 25 for gods sake ! We have not been put to bed yet Bispham, it is good to see you coming in off the "full run" in that robust defence of the England cricket team I accept it is still early days and the roof has not caved in yet but it has undoubtedly shed a few tiles, indeed it had done so before last summer was out. I am sure we shall continue to compare notes as this series approaches what I believe will be an unhappy denouement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 15:37:30 GMT
Baloney .......the same baloney you have spouted all last summer .....it could equally and should have been at least 4-0 .... That is not a fast improving Australian side ....not by a long way , what we are seeing is an England batting order is that for some reason is failing itself badly ,it's the 2nd day of 25 for gods sake ! We have not been put to bed yet Bispham, it is good to see you coming in off the "full run" in that robust defence of the England cricket team I accept it is still early days and the roof has not caved in yet but it has undoubtedly shed a few tiles, indeed it had done so before last summer was out. I am sure we shall continue to compare notes as this series approaches what I believe will be an unhappy denouement. If you predict defeat in every test match that England play it's obvious that eventually it will happen .....then you can breathe a sigh of relief and say " See told you so !" ....one can always expect to shed a few tiles in the course of a series ....it's the nature of game " Test Cricket " ....it's not a walkover , setbacks occur and if we manage to overcome them and win , which we have done for the most over the last few series , it makes winning all the more enjoyable .....for me anyway ....not sure if you are an England follower or not Gods ?
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Nov 22, 2013 16:03:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 16:37:44 GMT
What a shambles, this was a true hiding. Have we lost the series already on day two ? Yes bish it's all over already, we can all go bed early as we already know the outcome of the series.
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 22, 2013 18:47:05 GMT
Can't see us getting out of this one though Bispham? If they bat well tomorrow, then the likelihood is that we will have two days to get 500+ ( 6 sessions to bat out for a draw in effect?) Even if they have a collapse similar to ours, that will stil leave us with a target of around 350 and 7 sessions to survive? Much stranger things have happened, but it looks like it will take some dodgy weather - and/or an "Athertonesque" effort from at least a couple of our batsmen to save the test. Hopefully, it will serve as one of those "wake up calls" that the pundits refer to and we do much better in the other 4? I still think we are the much better side, but If we can bat badly enough to put Nathan Lyon on a hatrick then it's a big concern mate!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 18:49:32 GMT
Have we lost the series already on day two ? Yes bish it's all over already, we can all go bed early as we already know the outcome of the series. Saves you all watching then .....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 18:57:05 GMT
Can't see us getting out of this one though Bispham? If they bat well tomorrow, then the likelihood is that we will have two days to get 500+ ( 6 sessions to bat out for a draw in effect?) Even if they have a collapse similar to ours, that will stil leave us with a target of around 350 and 7 sessions to survive? Much stranger things have happened, but it looks like it will take some dodgy weather - and/or an "Athertonesque" effort from at least a couple of our batsmen to save the test. Hopefully, it will serve as one of those "wake up calls" that the pundits refer to and we do much better in the other 4? I still think we are the much better side, but If we can bat badly enough to put Nathan Lyon on a hatrick then it's a big concern mate! Wasn't it at Brisbane just three short years ago that we made 517 -1 in the second innings and drew the game ? I'm not suggesting that this will happen in this Test , but you never know Harry .....the so called supporters role out the same negative rubbish every Test we play ...anybody who has played or had any involvement in Cricket knows that these things happen ....nobody and I mean nobody would have predicted that we would be bowled out on here for 136 ....although there are one ore two on here who said they knew it was going to happen .....I just don't know why they bother to watch ? Total negatives all the time ....typical Oatcake reaction
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 22, 2013 19:13:41 GMT
Can't see us getting out of this one though Bispham? If they bat well tomorrow, then the likelihood is that we will have two days to get 500+ ( 6 sessions to bat out for a draw in effect?) Even if they have a collapse similar to ours, that will stil leave us with a target of around 350 and 7 sessions to survive? Much stranger things have happened, but it looks like it will take some dodgy weather - and/or an "Athertonesque" effort from at least a couple of our batsmen to save the test. Hopefully, it will serve as one of those "wake up calls" that the pundits refer to and we do much better in the other 4? I still think we are the much better side, but If we can bat badly enough to put Nathan Lyon on a hatrick then it's a big concern mate! Wasn't it at Brisbane just three short years ago that we made 517 -1 in the second innings and drew the game ? I'm not suggesting that this will happen in this Test , but you never know Harry .....the so called supporters role out the same negative rubbish every Test we play ...anybody who has played or had any involvement in Cricket knows that these things happen ....nobody and I mean nobody would have predicted that we would be bowled out on here for 136 ....although there are one ore two on here who said they knew it was going to happen .....I just don't know why they bother to watch ? Total negatives all the time ....typical Oatcake reaction I"m with you on this one mate. It's just that when you witness a collapse of such epic proportions it brings back some very bad memories! I was looking at Michael Clarke while it was all going on - he didn't look an Aussie captain going in for the kill. He was standing at slip in open mouthed awe at what was unfolding in front of him! There weren't many great deliveries bowled today - we were just shocking. Wish we'd got 11 Stuart Broads at the moment?
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