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Post by BuzzB on Sept 23, 2013 12:16:20 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Sept 23, 2013 12:18:13 GMT
Who gives a toss about England anyway?
As long as Ryan's fit and ready for Stoke, that's all that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 12:19:25 GMT
Ryan should go and play for Wales, not as glamorous but he'll get 50+ caps and be able to test himself against some top class strikers year after year............
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Sept 23, 2013 12:24:51 GMT
Forgive me, I might sound a little self-centred here.
Do we really want our Captain playing for England, travelling all over the world, risking injury, playing for a team (or more likely warming the bench) that hasn't got a hope in hell of getting past any half-decent team?
I'd rather he stayed back in Stoke, took a few days well-earned rest, and got himself ready for the next Prem or Cup game for TMP
Ask yourself one question. Stoke to beat The Shit or England to win the World Cup?
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Post by kingstokie on Sept 23, 2013 12:27:24 GMT
Stoke > England.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 12:27:39 GMT
Forgive me, I might sound a little self-centred here.
Do we really want our Captain playing for England, travelling all over the world, risking injury, playing for a team (or more likely warming the bench) that hasn't got a hope in hell of getting past any half-decent team?
I'd rather he stayed back in Stoke, took a few days well-earned rest, and got himself ready for the next Prem or Cup game for TMP
Ask yourself one question. Stoke to beat The Shit or England to win the World Cup? Agree with all of that and I'd take 3 points over Norwich over an England World Cup to be fair, but looking at it from the players perspective you'd want to be playing regular International Football to test yourself against the best in Europe/The World........... |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 23, 2013 12:40:40 GMT
Ryan should go and play for Wales, not as glamorous but he'll get 50+ caps and be able to test himself against some top class strikers year after year............ If Ramsay wasn't there then maybe he would have chosen Wales imo Doubt he was even watching the highlights v Arsenal |
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 23, 2013 12:54:19 GMT
Just being realistic - Ryan's debut was BAD poor guy  It's going to take him 2 seasons I would say to get the chance again if lucky. |
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 23, 2013 13:08:00 GMT
Ryan should go and play for Wales, not as glamorous but he'll get 50+ caps and be able to test himself against some top class strikers year after year............ Only problem there is that he has already played for England....doh! |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 23, 2013 13:19:53 GMT
I've said this before but I couldn't give two shits about the England team me caring for them sailed along time ago.
Anyway my worry about Woy constantly ignoring Ryan is that Ryan may see his lack of England caps as a reflection of the negative image of our club and in order to rectify that he may wish to move clubs. I'm not saying that he necessarily would and you would think given how long he has been at the club that he now feels like the place is home. However he may also want to look back at his career and think that he did have at least a decent crack at the national side. He was in my eyes shamefully overlooked for long periods for the U-21 side which he would probably had gotten into if he had remained in the Utd reserves. Obviously his senior debut was a shambles thanks to being hung out to dry by Woy and Cahill. I doubt he would want his England representation to be summed up by a 15 minute appearance in a meaningless friendly.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2013 14:58:42 GMT
Ryan should go and play for Wales, not as glamorous but he'll get 50+ caps and be able to test himself against some top class strikers year after year............ Only problem there is that he has already played for England....doh! He could still switch over to Wales due Ryans one cap being in a friendly. |
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Post by StokeyMan on Sept 23, 2013 15:08:20 GMT
It's not really what we want Ryan to do though is it, it's a chance for a remarkable defender proving himself on one of the biggest stages.
He isn't going to win much here (maybe a cup), but he could at least help push for something internationally (however unlikely it may be). The guy has been loyal to this club and gives his all every game, he deserves to be in that squad and his passion would be a huge asset to Hodgson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 16:12:12 GMT
Ryan should go and play for Wales, not as glamorous but he'll get 50+ caps and be able to test himself against some top class strikers year after year............ Only problem there is that he has already played for England....doh!   |
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Post by tonytriffic on Sept 23, 2013 20:19:12 GMT
He simply isn't good enough... Looks lost with out TP's finger up his arse. |
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Post by efc on Sept 23, 2013 21:38:18 GMT
Hodgsons clueless, even more so if he listens to this bitter prick:
"ROY HODGSON should resist calls to put Leighton Baines in the starting line-up for England’s World Cup qualifying double-header next month, according to West Ham manager Sam Allardyce"
“You play your best team defensively and let the attacking players attack.
“If Leighton Baines happens to play and there’s a free-kick, then get him up there. But you don’t play him just for free-kicks.”
HAHAHA good job no one takes any notice of you allardyce back to the padded cell mate. No wonder the English national side is fucked when we have deluded belters like him. His side must of got their usual drumming from us or something...
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Post by chiefie on Sept 23, 2013 21:41:44 GMT
Woy should ever have put Ryan on at that time in the Sweden game. And as a result it has set Ryan back two years with England. I feel for the guy
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Post by simoncox1 on Sept 23, 2013 21:47:54 GMT
Would be great to see Ryan play for Wales but the Ramsey matter complicates things
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Post by thevoid on Sept 24, 2013 1:04:18 GMT
For those that care about England, I'm sure our rebirth as a footballing team may see perceptions change regarding our club and playing staff, and we may see a change in policy from the national manager because of this.
For the record, I genuinely believe Woy hung Ryan out to dry against Sweden (with it only being a friendly) against one of the most gifted strikers in Europe. It proved his point and gave him an excuse not to recall him. Everyone forgets Cahill had a shocker in those last 20 minutes as well.
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Post by yeswilko on Sept 24, 2013 1:09:31 GMT
Would be great to see Ryan play for Wales but the Ramsey matter complicates things i don't think he can play for them anymore pal after making his england debut, even in a friendly?! |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 24, 2013 1:19:38 GMT
Would be great to see Ryan play for Wales but the Ramsey matter complicates things How would it complicate things other than Pansey soiling his Dora Explorer bedsheets if he was pitted against Ryan in a Wales training session? |
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Post by Godo on Sept 24, 2013 12:28:39 GMT
I assume if Rangers and Celtic players can play for Scotland after kicking the shit out of each other, Barce and R Madrid players for Spain etc etc then Ramsey and Ryan could play together......oh but then that would require Ramsey to be a man and we know that's not going to happen.
Can someone clarify if the friendly appearance prevents Ryan from playing for Wales cause when Mr Pulis takes over from the happless Coleman as the Wales manager you know who he'd prefer in the starting 11 out of the two......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 13:06:14 GMT
I assume if Rangers and Celtic players can play for Scotland after kicking the shit out of each other, Barce and R Madrid players for Spain etc etc then Ramsey and Ryan could play together......oh but then that would require Ramsey to be a man and we know that's not going to happen. Can someone clarify if the friendly appearance prevents Ryan from playing for Wales cause when Mr Pulis takes over from the happless Coleman as the Wales manager you know who he'd prefer in the starting 11 out of the two...... Unless geopolitical changes play a role, players are generally not allowed to switch nationalities if they have made senior appearances for one FIFA-recognised country in competitive fixtures. Friendly match appearances do not commit a player to one country (though a player is usually able to switch to another national side only if he held the nationality of the second country at the time he represented his first choice national team); Jermaine Jones played three friendlies for Germany in 2008 but has played for the United States since 2010.[22] Thiago Motta has three caps for Brazil in matches deemed friendlies for Brazil (participation in the CONCACAF Gold Cup as a non-conference guest team) and now represents Italy.[23] A third instance is Belgium-born midfielder Mehdi Carcela-González, who has two caps for Belgium in official friendly matches, but has played for Morocco since 2011.[24][25] A FIFA Player's Status Committee is responsible for making such judgements.[26][27] |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2013 13:15:26 GMT
Hodgsons clueless, even more so if he listens to this bitter prick: "ROY HODGSON should resist calls to put Leighton Baines in the starting line-up for England’s World Cup qualifying double-header next month, according to West Ham manager Sam Allardyce" “You play your best team defensively and let the attacking players attack. “If Leighton Baines happens to play and there’s a free-kick, then get him up there. But you don’t play him just for free-kicks.” HAHAHA good job no one takes any notice of you allardyce back to the padded cell mate. No wonder the English national side is fucked when we have deluded belters like him. His side must of got their usual drumming from us or something... He's right though isn't he, why would you play Baines when there's a better left back in the squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 13:18:26 GMT
Hodgsons clueless, even more so if he listens to this bitter prick: "ROY HODGSON should resist calls to put Leighton Baines in the starting line-up for England’s World Cup qualifying double-header next month, according to West Ham manager Sam Allardyce" “You play your best team defensively and let the attacking players attack. “If Leighton Baines happens to play and there’s a free-kick, then get him up there. But you don’t play him just for free-kicks.” HAHAHA good job no one takes any notice of you allardyce back to the padded cell mate. No wonder the English national side is fucked when we have deluded belters like him. His side must of got their usual drumming from us or something... He's right though isn't he, why would you play Baines when there's a better left back in the squad. personally i'd choose Baines over Cole nowadays. if you look at the stats last season (assists, goals, tackles made, runs made, amount of pitch covered, blocks made) for both attacking AND defending Baines came out on top of every one of them. |
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 24, 2013 13:33:38 GMT
He's right though isn't he, why would you play Baines when there's a better left back in the squad. personally i'd choose Baines over Cole nowadays. if you look at the stats last season (assists, goals, tackles made, runs made, amount of pitch covered, blocks made) for both attacking AND defending Baines came out on top of every one of them. Aye but you have to consider the teams they're playing in. Baines likes to get forward and cross. Thats all well and good when you've got a solid defence and midfield to cover your arse, but when you've got Frank Lampard chained to the opposition box, Gerrard standing there looking for his next hollywood pass, Gary Cahill patiently planning his next mistake and whatever the other flavours of the month are up to, its a different story. Cole still offers a lot defensively against the top sides. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 13:36:23 GMT
personally i'd choose Baines over Cole nowadays. if you look at the stats last season (assists, goals, tackles made, runs made, amount of pitch covered, blocks made) for both attacking AND defending Baines came out on top of every one of them. Aye but you have to consider the teams they're playing in. Baines likes to get forward and cross. Thats all well and good when you've got a solid defence and midfield to cover your arse, but when you've got Frank Lampard chained to the opposition box, Gerrard standing there looking for his next hollywood pass, Gary Cahill patiently planning his next mistake and whatever the other flavours of the month are up to, its a different story. Cole still offers a lot defensively against the top sides. don't get me wrong, i'm certainly not slagging Cole off (not footballing wise anyway) but i think that Baines for the last season and a half has been the best English left back there is. this idea about Baines only being good when he attacks is absolute garbage, he's damn good going forwards AND at the back also.personally i think he's better going forwards than Cole and just as good at the back nowadays....nice position to be in though given our "Left sided problems" we had for so long before Cole came along |
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 24, 2013 13:43:53 GMT
Aye but you have to consider the teams they're playing in. Baines likes to get forward and cross. Thats all well and good when you've got a solid defence and midfield to cover your arse, but when you've got Frank Lampard chained to the opposition box, Gerrard standing there looking for his next hollywood pass, Gary Cahill patiently planning his next mistake and whatever the other flavours of the month are up to, its a different story. Cole still offers a lot defensively against the top sides. don't get me wrong, i'm certainly not slagging Cole off (not footballing wise anyway) but i think that Baines for the last season and a half has been the best English left back there is. this idea about Baines only being good when he attacks is absolute garbage, he's damn good going forwards AND at the back also.personally i think he's better going forwards than Cole and just as good at the back nowadays....nice position to be in though given our "Left sided problems" we had for so long before Cole came along Not saying he cant defend... but thats not much use when he's stuck up front, the midfield is stood still and the centre back covering him is shit. Which will happen often for England. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 24, 2013 14:03:28 GMT
For those that care about England, I'm sure our rebirth as a footballing team may see perceptions change regarding our club and playing staff, and we may see a change in policy from the national manager because of this. For the record, I genuinely believe Woy hung Ryan out to dry against Sweden (with it only being a friendly) against one of the most gifted strikers in Europe. It proved his point and gave him an excuse not to recall him. Everyone forgets Cahill had a shocker in those last 20 minutes as well. kenny miller |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 14:43:31 GMT
don't get me wrong, i'm certainly not slagging Cole off (not footballing wise anyway) but i think that Baines for the last season and a half has been the best English left back there is. this idea about Baines only being good when he attacks is absolute garbage, he's damn good going forwards AND at the back also.personally i think he's better going forwards than Cole and just as good at the back nowadays....nice position to be in though given our "Left sided problems" we had for so long before Cole came along Not saying he cant defend... but thats not much use when he's stuck up front, the midfield is stood still and the centre back covering him is shit. Which will happen often for England. yeah see what you're saying...less about the qualities of cole and baines and more about how shit the other defenders are when needed. i like Jagielka and would prefer Lescott to Cahill, i think it'd work out ok then (although that's basing it on Lescott when he was playing regularly) |
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Post by efc on Sept 24, 2013 15:50:09 GMT
Hodgsons clueless, even more so if he listens to this bitter prick: "ROY HODGSON should resist calls to put Leighton Baines in the starting line-up for England’s World Cup qualifying double-header next month, according to West Ham manager Sam Allardyce" “You play your best team defensively and let the attacking players attack. “If Leighton Baines happens to play and there’s a free-kick, then get him up there. But you don’t play him just for free-kicks.” HAHAHA good job no one takes any notice of you allardyce back to the padded cell mate. No wonder the English national side is fucked when we have deluded belters like him. His side must of got their usual drumming from us or something... He's right though isn't he, why would you play Baines when there's a better left back in the squad. Cole's a great player no doubt but the guys been living on past glories for the past 2 seasons now. Baines is a very good defender (slightly less than cole i'll give you) but scores more goals, creates more chances, better crosser, younger and more creative therefore he should be first choice. If he played for Manchester United he would be played first choice for England. I know where you are coming from in your other posts about us being more open to attack playing Baines who likes to get forward but that's a massive quality in a modern day fullback, its one of the reasons why England have fallen behind as you look at the ability of other sides defenders on the ball compared too our own.  Baines created more chances last season than any other player in Europe, best LB in the league and in the top 3 left backs in the world right now in my opinion who doesn't get the praise he deserves as he doesn't play in the Red of Utd or the blues of Chelsea or citeh. |
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It's going to take him 2 seasons I would say to get the chance again if lucky.
