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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2013 15:53:57 GMT
Ashley Cole is still the better player imo and Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt.
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Post by efc on Sept 24, 2013 16:54:25 GMT
Ashley Cole is still the better player imo and Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt. When all the stats point to Baines been the better all round player I don't know how you could come to that conclusion mate honestly. Even the top 4 arse licking media have started to ask questions as too why he isn't number one choice. "Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt" you mean like that pin point corner that lambert netted from? For me England don't utilise him effectively enough he goes forward yet no one brings him into the game, should they utilise him like we do he would be a massive asset to the side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2013 17:23:49 GMT
Ashley Cole is still the better player imo and Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt. When all the stats point to Baines been the better all round player I don't know how you could come to that conclusion mate honestly. Even the top 4 arse licking media have started to ask questions as too why he isn't number one choice. "Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt" you mean like that pin point corner that lambert netted from? For me England don't utilise him effectively enough he goes forward yet no one brings him into the game, should they utilise him like we do he would be a massive asset to the side. Football is more than stats, I still think Cole is the best in the world, nevermind England. I can remember one game he's played where I think he's done well and that's it. I think he's fantastic player and wish he was a right back for England's sake but I just don't think he's ever really performed for England.
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Post by efc on Sept 24, 2013 17:33:03 GMT
When all the stats point to Baines been the better all round player I don't know how you could come to that conclusion mate honestly. Even the top 4 arse licking media have started to ask questions as too why he isn't number one choice. "Baines never fails to disappoint in an England shirt" you mean like that pin point corner that lambert netted from? For me England don't utilise him effectively enough he goes forward yet no one brings him into the game, should they utilise him like we do he would be a massive asset to the side. Football is more than stats, I still think Cole is the best in the world, nevermind England. I can remember one game he's played where I think he's done well and that's it. I think he's fantastic player and wish he was a right back for England's sake but I just don't think he's ever really performed for England. If they were both CB's I would agree cole edges it but a modern day fullback needs to have more in their locker other than just to defend. Obviously its vital they are good at defending as a great example is glen Johnson who whilst decent attacking is woeful at the back, but Baines for his crossing, chance creation, link up play, creativity, great set pieces (takes all out pens, free kicks and corners) and a good defender he simply has to be first choice for me anyway. But I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from. For me I think England as a team have become too negative in their play, the Ukraine match was a great example of that where we set up for a point and not to go out and try get the 3 points.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2013 18:52:03 GMT
Apparently Woys dislike of Ryan can be traced back to his first call up.
Woy gave Tone a call to ask could Ryan join up with the squad but, allegedly, when Tone heard Woy's wequest he burst into uncontrollable laughter and Woy had to hang up, fuming at such disrespect from a hoofball merchant like Sir Tone.
I'm still not sure why Tone found it all so amusing. All Woy asked was would Tone mind weleasing Wyan Shawcwoss.
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Post by adi on Sept 24, 2013 18:57:59 GMT
Ah we'll fuck him, he'll be sacked soon enough
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2013 19:08:02 GMT
Ah we'll fuck him, he'll be sacked soon enough You do whatever you want to Woy but leave me out if it.
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Post by adi on Sept 24, 2013 19:31:43 GMT
Ah we'll fuck him, he'll be sacked soon enough You do whatever you want to Woy but leave me out if it. Whoops!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2013 19:51:38 GMT
Football is more than stats, I still think Cole is the best in the world, nevermind England. I can remember one game he's played where I think he's done well and that's it. I think he's fantastic player and wish he was a right back for England's sake but I just don't think he's ever really performed for England. If they were both CB's I would agree cole edges it but a modern day fullback needs to have more in their locker other than just to defend. Obviously its vital they are good at defending as a great example is glen Johnson who whilst decent attacking is woeful at the back, but Baines for his crossing, chance creation, link up play, creativity, great set pieces (takes all out pens, free kicks and corners) and a good defender he simply has to be first choice for me anyway. But I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from. For me I think England as a team have become too negative in their play, the Ukraine match was a great example of that where we set up for a point and not to go out and try get the 3 points. Cole is fine going forward and is the better defender so that's why I prefer him. I do like the pair of them though but Cole wins for me because I think he is the better player and he still plays well for England whereas I don't think Baines has taken his chance. England are too negative but having Cole at left back isn't part of that imo, it stems from the manager and having 2 out of the front 3 as defenders, simply not good enough.
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