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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 0:15:54 GMT
And produced a finish I'd expect from none of our strikers or wingers!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 25, 2013 0:17:44 GMT
As a Villa fan and a non-Stoke fan how do you rate Shawcross without the red and white specs one? I'm always curious as to how non-stoke fans rate our players. I think he is a good centre back, not progressed like he should of though. That's probably to do with the way stoke played but should improve as a player under hughes That should read "should have" not "should of" Didn't you do grammar at School?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 0:43:29 GMT
I think he is a good centre back, not progressed like he should of though. That's probably to do with the way stoke played but should improve as a player under hughes That should read "should have" not "should of" Didn't you do grammar at School? no wonder you rub people up the wrong way .....you are always pulling people up and calling names ....what's your problem ?
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 25, 2013 2:54:44 GMT
There are supposed to be two defenders on the right side of our defence. Where was the other one? He'd pushed up which I think is what he's told to do so I can let him off for that. But what I didn't get is why Shawcross and Huth were so far apart and a midfielder wasn't with them. I get why they split when the full backs push on but to balance it You need a midfielder to drop. Where the fuck was the midfielder? This is why I like the idea of Musiesa in that DM roll think his pace and reading of the game will make all the difference to our defence playing the way we are ATM.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 25, 2013 9:49:37 GMT
Ryan's a great lad who doesn't have many off days. He knew he'd got caught out yesterday and was determined to make up for it - and did
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 25, 2013 9:51:43 GMT
That should read "should have" not "should of" Didn't you do grammar at School? no wonder you rub people up the wrong way .....you are always pulling people up and calling names ....what's your problem ? Poor spelling is mine, what's yours?
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Post by RAF on Aug 25, 2013 9:53:06 GMT
If Hodgson saw yesterdays first half you can say goodnight to our Ryan getting a call ever again.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Aug 25, 2013 9:58:09 GMT
Personally I think it was the curse of the "stupid coloured boots" never noticed him wear them (any bright colour ) before
And I think Huth looked blatantly unsure and unhappy with the new system, even more than Ryan. Although, unlike seemingly this entire message board, I've never rated Huth that much as a footballer anyway
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Aug 25, 2013 10:06:06 GMT
It will be interesting to see how he develops but I feel that we actually need a new centre half either to give some competition to him and Shawcross or perhaps a more capable ball playing player to sit aside either .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2013 10:20:08 GMT
Personally I think it was the curse of the "stupid coloured boots" never noticed him wear them (any bright colour ) before And I think Huth looked blatantly unsure and unhappy with the new system, even more than Ryan. Although, unlike seemingly this entire message board, I've never rated Huth that much as a footballer anyway I commented on those stupid boots as well. It's a massive bug bear of mine and at half time, I said "it is no wonder Ryan's form has turned to shit with those stupid orange boots". Huth and Ryan are brilliant defenders and we are lucky to have them. With this way of playing, they will only be as good as the midfield players allow them to be because their ability to pass it will owe much to do with the movement and availability in front of them.
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 25, 2013 10:41:58 GMT
Ryan and Huth will get done on occasion this season.
Previously they've looked excellent because all their defending was of a fairly static nature - headers, blocks, muscle.
But now they're going to have to defend on the move against pace and Ryan looked 'a bit Bambi' first half.
As much I like our centre half pairing they have had a fairly sheltered life because of the cage.
I'm sure they will adjust but this season will show their true abilities...
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Aug 25, 2013 11:49:12 GMT
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Post by trigger on Aug 25, 2013 11:49:12 GMT
First half I thought Ryan looked shocking and completely void of his positioning, didn't help with Cameron going MIA upfield and the so called defensive midfielders not helping his cause.
What was more of a concern was that on to many occasions both Ryan and Huth were filling for the full backs, not to sure about the five players in midfield as they don't carry much of a threat going forward, especially at home against the likes of a very poor Palace side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 12:28:47 GMT
I can forgive Ryan a poor 45 minute display. He more than made up for his mistakes with the winner
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 25, 2013 12:40:20 GMT
Poor first half no doubt about it but does that really make him a crap player? Bobby Moore v Poland. Stein v Vale Lineker v Ireland.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 12:48:32 GMT
Poor first half no doubt about it but does that really make him a crap player? Bobby Moore v Poland. Stein v Vale Lineker v Ireland. It does if you've got a snidey, dickhead agenda.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 25, 2013 12:55:17 GMT
Poor first half no doubt about it but does that really make him a crap player? Bobby Moore v Poland. Stein v Vale Lineker v Ireland. It does if you've got a snidey, dickhead agenda. Indeed, mate. It amazes me that anyone who truly calls themselves a Stoke fan can speak about our skipper in that way. Staggering really.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2013 12:57:42 GMT
Like most players Ryan has got a million pounds literally in the bank. Unlike most players he has £10M in the figurative bank based on a whole host of top notch performances. He's not beyond criticism, he was poor yesterday for 45 minutes but everyone's allowed a bad 'un now and again and Huth was good throughout, they are a team and an excellent one at that.
As for that cock munching prat Hodgson, he wouldn't know a good centre half if it stamped on his daft ugly head.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Aug 25, 2013 13:10:13 GMT
Mark Hughes in his interview said that Shawcross had a "knock on the calf" in the warm up, and this probably affected him in the first half.
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Post by ladsinredandwhite on Aug 25, 2013 18:04:13 GMT
I was watching the game against CP from the Boothen End and was surprised by the performance of Ryan Shawcross. Yes, he did score but I was surprised at how much he was turned inside out and,ultimately, was in some way at fault for their goal. I noticed a dip in when we played Liverpool as well, but I thought it was just a one off from Ryan, but it happened yesterday against Palace as well.
I sincerely hope he improves soon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 18:05:09 GMT
He was our second best player against Liverpool.
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 25, 2013 18:10:46 GMT
Personally I think it was the curse of the "stupid coloured boots" never noticed him wear them (any bright colour ) before And I think Huth looked blatantly unsure and unhappy with the new system, even more than Ryan. Although, unlike seemingly this entire message board, I've never rated Huth that much as a footballer anyway Huth is very much an old fashioned centre half though. Headers, tackles, pulling, pushing, blocking, throwing bodies on the line etc etc, thats what i want from my centre halfs before they even entertain the idea of becoming some sort of ball playing defender. Defenders defend first and foremost somthing that Huth and Shawcross are excellent at and as a pairing one of the best outside the top six.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Aug 25, 2013 18:16:59 GMT
Ryan is one of our key players. Obviously not England standard, but a solid defender, who lacks a little for skill, but makes up for it with his commitment, and overall solidity. He will get found out against the better players, as will most defenders. He's an essential spoke in our wheel, despite the odd (and fairly few and far between) poor performance.
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2013 18:27:01 GMT
Mark Hughes in his interview said that Shawcross had a "knock on the calf" in the warm up, and this probably affected him in the first half. yup
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Post by sjohank on Aug 25, 2013 19:57:26 GMT
Nightmare, against a side who will finish in the bottom five, but he is better than Cahill, Jagielka etc.... ps he is a goalscorer though Don't panic. Ryan will be fine at Boleyn!
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