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Post by Squeekster on Aug 6, 2013 16:57:55 GMT
Hold my biscuits for me, What have I missed? Is it the work permit classic again? We'll argue the special talent rule that Man Utd and the rest of em use when they sign these kind of players.
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Post by chicagostokie on Aug 6, 2013 17:01:36 GMT
Yeah, was just saying that the club must have some say, if we have to negotiate a deal with them first. Probably not a lot in the scheme of things though. In the end I think it was Houston who pushed it through wasn't it? The MLS wanted more but Houston were willing to let him go. If anything I guess the reverse will be in action here but that should be to our favour if indeed the MLS control like I think they do. (B) TRANSFERS AND LOANS An MLS player may be transferred or loaned at any time to a team outside the League (subject to that team’s Federation’s transfer window), subject to the consent of the player. The registration windows – the dates between which MLS may request the transfer certificate of a player under contract in another country – are as follows: February 12 – May 6 (Primary Window) July 9 – August 8 (Secondary Window) PLAYER TRANSFERRED OUTSIDE MLS: If a team receives allocation money as a result of a player’s transfer, the team does not retain a right of first refusal. Basically, if a players contract is almost ending, then any team can tell them not to sign and join us when free (the average salary in the US is around $160k per year). If you want to sign him mid-contract the MLS negotiates the deal if the player is willing to leave (which of course he is for money reasons).
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 6, 2013 17:07:05 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 6, 2013 17:12:31 GMT
Well are our strike options any better now, Even if Agudelo joins before the summer transfer deadline shuts. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) ......I don't know? There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he is any better or ready to go than our other US imports (which if you're being exceptionally kind, have a lot of promise and nothing else) Seriously underwhelming discount store business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:22:23 GMT
So have we signed him or somebody then?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:22:38 GMT
So have we signed him or somebody then?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 6, 2013 17:22:46 GMT
Well are our strike options any better now, Even if Agudelo joins before the summer transfer deadline shuts. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) ......I don't know? There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he is any better or ready to go than our other US imports (which if you're being exceptionally kind, have a lot of promise and nothing else) Seriously underwhelming discount store business. Indeed Some got over excited about a Scandanavian and. Barca youngster on trial - both now released And yet they poo poo great business by others So far, bargain basement and very under whelming and very very worrying
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 6, 2013 17:26:51 GMT
Well are our strike options any better now, Even if Agudelo joins before the summer transfer deadline shuts. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) ......I don't know? There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he is any better or ready to go than our other US imports (which if you're being exceptionally kind, have a lot of promise and nothing else) Seriously underwhelming discount store business. 3 and a bit million transfer outlay on three players, It's a very shrewd bit of business, or the cash will be splashed elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:30:16 GMT
The tell tale here is that it looks like we are prepared to wait 5 months to get him for nowt.
That says to me that we see him as one for the future that might do something now, and if not we haven't lost anything.
Shrewd move.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 6, 2013 17:33:50 GMT
Pulis has spent the triple Euro Millions rollover. He's left us with a bunch of cloggers and chuff all creativity.
Welcome aboard Sparky.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 6, 2013 17:39:06 GMT
For a player who is a free agent in Jan so he would be able to join us. So how much cash would be needed to sort it now, 100.000 to 350.000 not a lot in football terms just get it sorted now.
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Post by sutekh on Aug 6, 2013 18:04:25 GMT
"@briansciaretta: Juan Agudelo's case to get a UK work permit really will test the boundaries. 0 caps in 2013, 1 in 2012. Tough case" If he claimed to be a Romanian pikey who is over here to chore and pick pockets he would be let in like a flash.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 18:13:27 GMT
Very smart signing. Young with plenty to prove, low cost and future sell on potential. Bravo Sparky.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 6, 2013 18:17:21 GMT
Very smart signing. Young with plenty to prove, low cost and future sell on potential. Bravo Sparky. A bit optimistic aren't you? We need desperately a forward with pace/guile/goals and left winger. Minimum and ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 18:20:00 GMT
Very smart signing. Young with plenty to prove, low cost and future sell on potential. Bravo Sparky. A bit optimistic aren't you? We need desperately a forward with pace/guile/goals and left winger. Minimum and ASAP. I was a born optimist ;D And I agree. I also think we'll sort those two positions out before the windows shut, alongside Agudelo. We'll be fine!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2013 18:29:40 GMT
For some reason Pugs you always seem to bypass the bit whereby Pulis brought millions into the club by getting us promoted and keeping us there ! This ones down to the owners and no-one else - they should back Hughes, they havent yet done so.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 6, 2013 18:31:56 GMT
Interesting one. I think in the long term this is probably good business.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 6, 2013 18:33:09 GMT
For some reason Pugs you always seem to bypass the bit whereby Pulis brought millions into the club by getting us promoted and keeping us there ! This ones down to the owners and no-one else - they should back Hughes, they havent yet done so. I know, selective memory syndrome. Agree on the owners - very worrying they are not backing their new man. Perhaps they know something we don't.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2013 18:39:32 GMT
Even more significantly perhaps TP knew it ....and got out while the getting was good !
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2013 18:44:43 GMT
For some reason Pugs you always seem to bypass the bit whereby Pulis brought millions into the club by getting us promoted and keeping us there ! This ones down to the owners and no-one else - they should back Hughes, they havent yet done so. I know, selective memory syndrome. Agree on the owners - very worrying they are not backing their new man. Perhaps they know something we don't. how do we know they are not backing him then? They have allowed him to bring 3 new players to the club so far, just because MH has chose to bring in younger players without massive transfer fees doesn't mean he has no budget to play with. Could it just be that MH is just a little better in the transfer market & hasn't yet got the deal he wants for the player he wants, or maybe things are taking a little longer as he isn't just phoning Harry Redknapp up & saying "name your price on whatever you have got"? I think he has proved quite shrewd so far, for £3mil we have an international left back,a very handy looking 21yr old defender, Pennant re-signed & i imagine on heavily reduced terms & we look like adding another young talented forward for bugger all. I am sure he has his primary targets in mind, he just isn't willing to spunk whatever it takes to land them!
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 6, 2013 18:50:42 GMT
Even more significantly perhaps TP knew it ....and got out while the getting was good ! That's absolutely possible. I am surprised that fans are expecting any investment in the squad at all My reading of the sitation is that Hughes was brought in because the board think he is a better manager than TP, and therefore expect him to perform better with the existing squad, the same one that finished mid table last season. That, plus the fact that this board has invested heavily in the squad the last few years with no returns (sell-ons) always made it likely that there would minimal investment this time around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 18:52:38 GMT
This lad is not gong to help us now anyway as injured and unfit. Might be good might not. Not bothered either way.
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Aug 6, 2013 18:58:41 GMT
I know, selective memory syndrome. Agree on the owners - very worrying they are not backing their new man. Perhaps they know something we don't. how do we know they are not backing him then? They have allowed him to bring 3 new players to the club so far, just because MH has chose to bring in younger players without massive transfer fees doesn't mean he has no budget to play with. Could it just be that MH is just a little better in the transfer market & hasn't yet got the deal he wants for the player he wants, or maybe things are taking a little longer as he isn't just phoning Harry Redknapp up & saying "name your price on whatever you have got"? I think he has proved quite shrewd so far, for £3mil we have an international left back,a very handy looking 21yr old defender, Pennant re-signed & i imagine on heavily reduced terms & we look like adding another young talented forward for bugger all. I am sure he has his primary targets in mind, he just isn't willing to spunk whatever it takes to land them! Absolutely spot on my friend
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2013 18:59:43 GMT
Still dont understand it though spit - the money is flying into the club, why the heck will they risk losing it ??
Probably (hopefully) will play the traditional silly beggars but will still buy some players that are going to improve the 1st team now !
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Aug 6, 2013 19:10:33 GMT
Has this been confirmed ?
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Post by frumpy on Aug 6, 2013 19:11:17 GMT
The best Revs young player is Diego Fagundez, pure class. Agudelo is a pretty god player, in my opinion he is not a centre forward but a left winger. Agudelo is a LW? That right there is some ridiculous analysis. Flat out stupid.
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Post by frumpy on Aug 6, 2013 19:16:16 GMT
"@briansciaretta: Juan Agudelo's case to get a UK work permit really will test the boundaries. 0 caps in 2013, 1 in 2012. Tough case" Klinsmann is the type who knowing Juan is making the jump from MLS to EPL and knows about the WP requirements, which I don't think will be a problem as we haven't had a player not get a UK WP in over 6 years, probably will call him into USA's Euro friendlies in Nov to help a little. Rumor is we're playing Scotland and another Euro country. We had two guys get WP's in the last two years who were barely a part of the NT in Bedoya and Robbie Rogers. Neither are in the UK at this point though. And don't forget, Cameron only had 3-4 caps when he got his WP to come to Stoke. At 20 Agudelo has more NT caps than all those three players combined had at the same age.
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Post by frumpy on Aug 6, 2013 19:31:22 GMT
This is a great deal for Stoke. And I know you need help up front now if front of goal but Agudelo was not the answer to those issues in the next 6 months. Coming off injury and hasn't played since June.
Some here didn't want to pay more than 500K for Juan. In that case, you're damn lucky he didn't end up elsewhere. If he was intent on leaving right now it would have cost more than that. But Juan is also intent on playing out the season in MLS, recovering and finding his form. That wouldn't happen at Stoke. He's not ready to come right off injury and into the first team. That's why Valencia also would have loaned him back to MLS for the rest of the year. Juan needs the next 3-4 months to play as much as possible, which will then increase the chances he can help come Jan.
I know many are worried about the lack of forwards, but Juan at 20 isn't an answer to those issues. If he helps, great, if not, it's not unexpected. He'll need some time and is more of a future signing who probably can help a bit at some point in the second half of the season. In reality there's two options here, Stoke coughs up a few million, Agudelo comes over, isn't ready, isn't in form, and fans are pissed off Stoke bought a guy who can't help right away. I see how some of you act off a first appearance or two(Shea). Some of you would flip your shit if Juan didn't step in and help right away. So it's good you didn't pay a fee and put all your expectations on a 20 yr old coming off injury. I've seen how little patience some of you have. Instead, you get Juan for free, don't even have to pay a transfer fee, he'll actually get a good amount of playing time through the end of Oct, then likely come over and train in Dec and be ready to possibly be a sub option at some point in Jan/Feb. And, looking back 1-2 years from now, I'd wager many will be very pleased you got this guy for free. That could be incredibly good business.
But seeing how Shea came in off surgery and completely out of form, actually tried to help and played far too early, fans weren't impressed in his first match or two and he was then crucified for it, I'm glad Juan won't have to deal with that shit coming off injury as well. Many of you had zero patience with Shea off injury. You'd also have zero patience with Juan off injury. So him deciding to stay and actually play and get fit which, while Stoke benefits from not having to pay anything for him is an all around good situation.
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Post by kerouac on Aug 6, 2013 19:38:18 GMT
At least Hughes is buying players in the positions we've been crying out for rather than reinforcing battle positions to churn and grind out performances that bore the living shit out of anybody watching like Pulis would have done. The lad looks alright to me and I would like to see a compilation of Crouch and Jones on YouTube that is anywhere as impressive than this boys even against the lesser standard MLS footy!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 6, 2013 19:40:24 GMT
Happy we're getting this young prospect for nowt. One for the future. Let him get fit. Let him play out the season with the Revolution and he'll be a new FREE signing in January. Fucking hell, we've already signed someone for the January window!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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