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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 22, 2008 20:00:10 GMT
In a speech today, as Pennsylvania votes in its primary, Hillary Clinton threatened to obliterate Iran if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons. What some people will say to try and win an election.  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 22, 2008 21:28:19 GMT
It could well tip it for her, you know.
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 21:44:27 GMT
Iran has no nuclear weapons so i don't see that happening. Nothing like the politics of fear to get a few votes. I hate that woman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2008 22:40:16 GMT
You gotta love the Yanks. Was listening to some clips on the radio:
First bloke: I'm voting for Clinton because I don't want to see a black man running our country!
Second bloke: Well, I'm voting for Obama because I'd don't want to see a woman running our country!
Fuck the politics and lets get down to the nitty gritty of it all ;D
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:14:32 GMT
It's pretty astonishing to see all these attacks on Iran, a country who has never invaded another country, never started a war, doesn't have a current nuclear weapons program, is a signatory to the nuclear non proliferation treaty (unlike Israel) and thus are entitled to nuclear power.
even though Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon they could probably make a good case as to why they need one at the minute, you've got the US occupying two countries either side of them making overt threats about attacking them (see above), the US currently have a massive fleet of nuclear armed war ships off the coast of Iran, they are surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons, most of whom are US allies, Pakistan, Israel, india etc, .... put yourself in their shoes, would you want some type of safe guard against a US attack ?
rant over. I await my karma to plummet for sticking up for the brown people in a 3rd world country ;D
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Post by jonesinamillion on Apr 22, 2008 23:18:16 GMT
Pretty sure Iran does have nuclear capabilities, and quite an advanced fighting force - that aside, nuke the whole of the middle east, trouble making bastards, world would be a safer place without 'em, take out Korea too, a-holes!
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:20:23 GMT
Pretty sure Iran does have nuclear capabilities No, they don't. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 22, 2008 23:25:43 GMT
I guess the posturing comes from the fact that Iran is the one country that has, in the past, made the Americans look bigger fools than they do now.
And Hillary would be redressing the Carter fiasco.
Of course, in six months time she will say that she misspoke. ;
If Iran did attack Israel with nuclear weapons, surely any response would be down to Israel, with its own nuclear weapons. I don't see why the US would or should feel the need to get involved but I suppose it is all about garnering votes.
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:30:45 GMT
The Iranians have very good reason to hate the America government, the Iranians had to live under one of the US's most vicious puppet dictators (The shah) for 25+ years until the revolution in 79.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 22, 2008 23:33:36 GMT
America is the Great Satan no less.
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:34:52 GMT
America is the Great Satan no less. The American government (not people) , i would wager that is the American people knew what there country was really engaged in the they'd have a bit of a revolution themselves. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 22, 2008 23:37:20 GMT
But who elects the American Government? The American people. I am not sure the Iranians are that discerning.  |
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:44:25 GMT
But who elects the American Government? The American people. I am not sure the Iranians are that discerning. The Iranians are actually quite westernized and anti Americanism probably isn't as prevalent there as you'd think, for instance there was a 1million person candle lit vigil across Tehran after the 9/11 attacks. Peter Hitchens (brother to the horrendous Chris) recently wrote a good article about Iran |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 22, 2008 23:51:46 GMT
I agree, the average 20-something in Iran is probably more in favour of America than their own government and the ayatollahs. But unlike the average 20-something in America, they cannot voice their displeasure about their leaders. Well, they can but they suffer the consequences.
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Post by serpico on Apr 22, 2008 23:57:43 GMT
I agree, the average 20-something in Iran is probably more in favour of America than their own government and the ayatollahs. But unlike the average 20-something in America, they cannot voice their displeasure about their leaders. Well, they can but they suffer the consequences. They can vote them out, they have elections. Also who's fault is it that they can't air there grievances about the government ? if you read a good book about the 1953 CIA sponsored coup you'll understand why dissident groups are unable to do so, because they get infiltrated by foreign intelligence agencies such as the CIA, thats why they crack down on them, thats why the Iranian government is so suspicious of any group opposing them. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 23, 2008 0:06:45 GMT
Strange how it always comes back to being America's fault. I guess the only answer is the complete and utter destruction of the United States and then all the world's problems will be solved. Just give me and Bob Dylan 48 hours notice, would you? |
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Post by Arthurdollar on Apr 23, 2008 7:07:40 GMT
I like Iranians, well at least one who does a cracking Kebab in Highlerland in ´Castle.
Hillary Clinton no self respect still with giz a gobble ex-President hubby.
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Post by ben88 on Apr 23, 2008 7:28:36 GMT
serpico, are you doing politics at uni by any chance?
karma for your insightful knowledge
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 23, 2008 9:59:24 GMT
I'm not sure a lot of Iranians would class themselves as 'brown people'. Anyway isn't McCain  the favourite to get elected. "Bomb bomb bomb. Bomb bomb Iran" (to the tune of Barbara Anne!) :-( If he gets in we might all have our chips! |
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Post by kkkkken on Apr 23, 2008 10:25:32 GMT
Insightful Knowledge . At best I would call it anti US Liberal rhetoric .
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 11:11:47 GMT
Insightful Knowledge . At best I would call it anti US Liberal rhetoric . How do you work that one out ? Hillary Clinton is a liberal and i just said i hate her, i don't have much time for most liberals in fact, ... If i had to label myself anything i probably line up best as a Libertarian. "dissent is the greatest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson Dallascowboy the last thing i would want t see is the great country of America to be destroyed because of the jackals that currently rule it, why do people always make the "anti American" charge when you criticize it's foreign policy ? doesn't make sense. Actually if you look at the people who write up the US's foreign policy many of them are of duel citizenship, I'll let you guess where a lot of them have there roots and where their loyalty lies |
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Post by stokechick on Apr 23, 2008 11:22:27 GMT
Dallascowboy the last thing i would want t see is the great country of America to be destroyed because of the jackals that currently rule it, why do people always make the "anti American" charge when you criticize it's foreign policy ? doesn't make sense. Actually if you look at the people who write up the US's foreign policy many of them are of duel citizenship, I'll let you guess where a lot of them have there roots and where their loyalty lies I think Serpico, that many on the board here(not in this case though) just make generalizations about Americans as a whole. They don't neccessarily mean it, they just don't think about it while discussing their thoughts on American policies. I just have gotten a pretty thick skin about it now after living over here for awhile. I have been told that we Americans are all war mongering, gun toting crazies, all fat, lazy, brain washed...and on here have even been called a Yank Bitch, which of course is mostly true . |
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 11:25:24 GMT
Let's get back to the original point shall we, and look at Hillary Clinton's campaign to date: 1. She has done nothing in this election other than bad-mouth Barak Obama. Clinton's politics are the politics of fear, and instead of trying to rally those to her side by discussing her abilities, she believes that the American electorate will vote for her because she has "experience". No she hasn't. Would you let a surgeons wife operate on you? 2. When it was clear that the election was slipping away from her, she appeared to be moved to tears by a question that illicited a sympathetic response from the electorate. What has subsequently been found out is that the question was fed to her by one of her staff, and her response was pre-programmed to make her appear "vulnerable". Now i rate Margaret Thatcher about as close to the living embodiment of Lucifer as there can be, but at least she didn't bloody blart. 3.Now we have a possible American president using the average American's lack of understanding on foreign policy/fears about terrorism to garner votes by using a scenario that WILL NEVER HAPPEN. This statement was designed to show that she has the "balls" to make the difficult decisions regarding war and such like, but in fact it is an incredibly crass and unintelligent thing to say. At some point she will have to sit around a table with people that she is already threatening to blow up - American foreign policy rarely reaches beyond plain moronic but such statements from the potential leader of the free world beggar belief. The only thing that Clinton has succeeded in achieving is the implosion (once again) of the Democratic Party before a major election. Such is the massive divide now in the two entrenched camps (Obama & Clinton) that the only real winner will be the next President of the United States of America, John McCain. Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself because she has put her desperate desire for the top job ahead of the needs and wishes of her party, and the Democtractic Party hierarchy, or "Super-Democrats" have let her do it because she's their prefered candidate. The whole thing is a shitstorm and has once again destabalised a Democratic party who could probably have put a trained Chimp up for election and they would have won it (no Bush jokes please, we're above that ). How so many clever people can make so many decisions so incredibly wrong is quite beyond me. StokeChick - i would never bad-mouth the American electorate, given the sheer weight of politicking and slight of hand going on over there, no wonder everyone is confused. I remember being in Mississippi on a road trip and getting into a heated debate about why everyone didn;t vote Democrat - i've never received a decent answer to that |
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Post by stokechick on Apr 23, 2008 11:28:27 GMT
I agree with you completely VestanPance. The only thing Clinton has done is made it easier for McCain. I can't stand the woman...but then I am not thrilled with the other choices I have either. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 11:29:32 GMT
I wouldn’t trust a woman leader, time of the month comes along and everything goes to pot.
I’d nuke Iran as well (just because serpico says we shouldn’t)
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 11:36:05 GMT
I feel for the electorate - McCain is a decent guy but his party are not - compassionate Conservatism is not a political ideal that will ever be allowed to get going in the States. As for the Democrats despite his failings Obama had to be the obvious choice - he comes clear from the failures of the Democratic Party in the past and, lest we forget, comes from the Illinois bull pen of politics, which is roughly as incidious as Rome at it's peak . He was a breath of fresh air, who has been embroiled in all the old political faults of the American system, and it's a shame because above everything else he represented hope, and that for me is never a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 11:37:24 GMT
Is it ‘cus he is black?
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 11:43:54 GMT
Short Answer? Yes.
And it's no good being holier than thou about it on this side of the pond, because we're a way off having a Black Prime Minister.
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 11:45:35 GMT
McCain is a decent guy but his party are not - co. He's bat shit crazy though, i mean literally crazy, he's going around saying how he would "confront Russia" .... "joking" about bombing Iran, talking about staying in Iraq for 100 years, google "John McCain boots on the ground" and see what results you get, he's even more pro war than Bush, he's a crazy man. Someone, can't remember who, recently said that he'd make Dick Cheney look like ghandi. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 11:48:33 GMT
He's just being proactive serpico.
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the favourite to get elected. "Bomb bomb bomb. Bomb bomb Iran" (to the tune of Barbara Anne!) :-(
