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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 11:51:18 GMT
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 11:53:04 GMT
You're quite right, allow me to qualify.
Given that his his main opposition to the candidacy were Mitt Romney, Mike Huckerbee & Rudi Giulliani, i think never has the phrase "lesser of two (or in this case, several) evils" been more appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 11:55:25 GMT
They should get Arnie in.
That would be awesome, having Terminator in charge. No fu**er would mess with the yanks then.
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 11:57:11 GMT
Personally, i don;t see what so wrong with this Bush fella. They shoudl stick with him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 11:58:43 GMT
Echo in here?
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 12:00:52 GMT
You're quite right, allow me to qualify. Given that his his main opposition to the candidacy were Mitt Romney, Mike Huckerbee & Rudi Giulliani, i think never has the phrase "lesser of two (or in this case, several) evils" been more appropriate. Many of the neo-cons who were behind Ghouliani have now swarmed to McCainiac (they were with McCain in 2000 until Bush won), many of them are now his top foreign policy advisors, another reason to be very concerned if he becomes president, that said they've all got dodgy foreign policy advisors, even "peace" candidate Obama has Brezignew "i created the Mujadeen" Brezinzski, Hillary Clinton has Madeliane "killing 500k Iraqi children was worth it" Albright.
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Post by vestanpance on Apr 23, 2008 12:08:01 GMT
It could be worse.
What about President Mike "Hang on a sec, i'll just ask God" Huckerbee?
The fucking frightening thing is that he actually won caucuses. Thought this may have been due in no small part to the excellent Chuck Norris.
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 12:14:07 GMT
It could be worse. What about President Mike "Hang on a sec, i'll just ask God" Huckerbee? The fucking frightening thing is that he actually won caucuses. Thought this may have been due in no small part to the excellent Chuck Norris. Check out who John McCain persuaded to endorse him- McCains crazy pastor
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Post by JetBlack on Apr 23, 2008 14:55:46 GMT
Serpico, you have a good knowledge and it's refreshing to see a decent thread. I would like to say a word or two. I'm sure the American Allies in that area are only allies because they can 'use' the U.S. in some way. I think Pakistan may be cooling a bit towards America, as, I think I read on the BBC website that She(Pakistan) has closed several airfields that were being used by them? These include 'special forces' airstrips too. Now I'm not proposng that just the Americans were using these 'fields at all, there are several nations in that theatre with aircraft operating, USA, UK, Dutch and other Europeans. Even though Iran doesn't have a nuclear capability(yet), it's often been reported in the UK that many Terrorist groups have been trained in that country, which I think they(the west) have already used to spy over there. Unfortunately for Iran, Isreal has way too much influence in the US and is fully exploiting that as much as it can; and thanks to Al-Queda(spelling) they can just rattle this name and a lot of people need to change their underwear.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 23, 2008 15:36:21 GMT
"Many of the neo-cons who were behind Ghouliani have now swarmed to McCainiac (they were with McCain in 2000 until Bush won), many of them are now his top foreign policy advisors, another reason to be very concerned if he becomes president, that said they've all got dodgy foreign policy advisors, even "peace" candidate Obama has Brezignew "i created the Mujadeen" Brezinzski, Hillary Clinton has Madeliane "killing 500k Iraqi children was worth it" Albright. "
So, serpico, one minute you are saying that you are just against the present American administration and in the above quote you are slagging off everyone who is in the running to be the next president. That suggests to me that you are indeed anti-American, with the exception of Bob Dylan.
With regard to the CIA infilitrating opposition groups in Iran, which thereby justifies Iran's crackdown on opposition groups, has it ever occurred to you that the Iran administration would say that in order to justify its actions?
Finally, to vestandpance, an excellent synopsis of the American political scene. Like you, I think Obama represents a breath of fresh air. I just hope the "old guard" don't stifle it. Clinton is doing her best and is probably damaging the Democrats in the process. America needs change and the world needs America to change.
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 15:36:39 GMT
.Even though Iran doesn't have a nuclear capability(yet), it's often been reported in the UK that many Terrorist groups have been trained in that country, which I think they(the west) have already used to spy over there.. Iran doesn't have nukes now and according to the US national intelligence estimate (NIE) released in nov 07 they couldn't have one until mid to late next decade, also if they wanted to pursue a nuclear weapons program they'd have to kick out the IAEA (international atomic energy agency) inspectors first, and they haven't done that, perhaps if the do then people can become suspicious of their aims. And as i said in a previous post, Iran are signatories to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and under that they're permitted to have nuclear power. Also all these threats by the Bush admin and Clinton are a breach are a breach of the UN charter, now Im not a huge fan of the UN but if they're so keen to invoke it then perhaps they should stick by it's rules and stop making threats to "obliterate" countries who essentially have done little wrong.
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 15:43:00 GMT
"Many of the neo-cons who were behind Ghouliani have now swarmed to McCainiac (they were with McCain in 2000 until Bush won), many of them are now his top foreign policy advisors, another reason to be very concerned if he becomes president, that said they've all got dodgy foreign policy advisors, even "peace" candidate Obama has Brezignew "i created the Mujadeen" Brezinzski, Hillary Clinton has Madeliane "killing 500k Iraqi children was worth it" Albright. " I like Ron Paul (republican congressman who ran/is technically still running for president), am i not "anti American" now ? Im against any kind of government crackdowns, all i was saying is what do you expect ? Obama is the lesser of 3 evils, either way you're still voting for evil.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Apr 23, 2008 15:48:21 GMT
I am not voting for anyone. I can't. I am British.
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Post by Bonkolina on Apr 23, 2008 16:27:53 GMT
Fucking hell. Fancy having an American President on the blob and the red button next to her bed !! GD
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Post by stokechick on Apr 23, 2008 17:35:03 GMT
Fucking hell. Fancy having an American President on the blob and the red button next to her bed !! GD Ok I really shouldn't be laughing at that as I am female...but heck that just made me chuckle....sorry to the rest of the female stokies on here.
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Post by serpico on Apr 23, 2008 17:48:32 GMT
How about this guy with his finger on the nuclear button ?
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Post by kkkkken on Apr 24, 2008 10:09:28 GMT
Serpico for you to call yourself a Libertarian is the funniest thing I have read on here for ages . Unless the European version of a Libertarian holds to the views you post on here .
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Post by serpico on Apr 24, 2008 10:22:16 GMT
Serpico for you to call yourself a Libertarian is the funniest thing I have read on here for ages . Unless the European version of a Libertarian holds to the views you post on here . I didn't call myself a libertarian, i said if i had to line myself up with a political philosophy then i would line up closest to a libertarian, in the sense I'm for a non intervention foreign policy, small government, pro civil liberties, individual rights etc etc etc
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Post by serpico on May 3, 2008 21:47:58 GMT
I agree, the average 20-something in Iran is probably more in favour of America than their own government and the ayatollahs. But unlike the average 20-something in America, they cannot voice their displeasure about their leaders. Well, they can but they suffer the consequences. They can vote them out, they have elections. Also who's fault is it that they can't air there grievances about the government ? if you read a good book about the 1953 CIA sponsored coup you'll understand why dissident groups are unable to do so, because they get infiltrated by foreign intelligence agencies such as the CIA, thats why they crack down on them, thats why the Iranian government is so suspicious of any group opposing them. I rest my case "Secret Bush "Finding" Widens War on Iran"
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Post by Olgrligm on May 3, 2008 22:03:33 GMT
McCain is a decent guy but his party are not - co. He's bat shit crazy though, i mean literally crazy, he's going around saying how he would "confront Russia" .... "joking" about bombing Iran, talking about staying in Iraq for 100 years, google "John McCain boots on the ground" and see what results you get, he's even more pro war than Bush, he's a crazy man. Someone, can't remember who, recently said that he'd make Dick Cheney look like ghandi. I don't know if you saw that BBC series of interviews with Tony Blair a while back, but there was a guy involved in the Bush administration who was properly scary. He owned a gun manufacturing plant or something similar and complained that Tony Blair was 'too soft on Iraq' and 'listened too much to the weak, limp wristed left wing of the Labour party'. I think he wanted something like 100% of our troops in Iraq and some other stuff. Worrying thing is that he had a say in what America did.
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Post by serpico on May 3, 2008 23:10:03 GMT
He's bat shit crazy though, i mean literally crazy, he's going around saying how he would "confront Russia" .... "joking" about bombing Iran, talking about staying in Iraq for 100 years, google "John McCain boots on the ground" and see what results you get, he's even more pro war than Bush, he's a crazy man. Someone, can't remember who, recently said that he'd make Dick Cheney look like ghandi. I don't know if you saw that BBC series of interviews with Tony Blair a while back, but there was a guy involved in the Bush administration who was properly scary. He owned a gun manufacturing plant or something similar and complained that Tony Blair was 'too soft on Iraq' and 'listened too much to the weak, limp wristed left wing of the Labour party'. I think he wanted something like 100% of our troops in Iraq and some other stuff. Worrying thing is that he had a say in what America did. I think you might be talking about John Bolton, or Bonkers Bolton as he is known ? ex US ambassador to the UN, that guy is nut's, a complete and utter blind nationalist who would be quite willing to start ww3, he's off his rocker, thank god he never got confirmed as the US's ambassador full time.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 3, 2008 23:22:40 GMT
Yes, I think that's him. Looks similar.
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Post by JetBlack on May 4, 2008 11:15:03 GMT
I read yesterday I think, from the Jeffrense website, that Israel are quite happy to go it alone to sort out the 'Iranian problem' But they have such influence in the US that I think that each administration can be steam roller-ed into acting to help them. In my opinion, such as it is, the biggest problem is the Israeli's and their fear of the Arab neighbours. Them and the amount of 'psycho's you've mentioned above who are involved within American Politics.
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Post by serpico on May 7, 2008 10:05:07 GMT
Yes, I think that's him. Looks similar. He's still crazy
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