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Post by trigger on Jul 24, 2013 17:11:07 GMT
Without trawling through the pros & cons didn't we basicaly hand out £1,000,000 to Owen for basicaly doing sweet fa, and don"t state the club profile please.
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Post by block23er on Jul 24, 2013 17:15:18 GMT
They WERE worth £26mill barring Kenwyne they are virtually worthless,it's the wages that is the problem.Fingers crossed Harry will offer a few quid for crouchie and Jerome may attract a few prem strugglers.New season new manager....same problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 17:20:27 GMT
Everyone on Twitter now saying he's signed for Stoke.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2013 17:20:42 GMT
I'm saying that's what we have spent on strikers who are still with us and when you add in the Kitson debacle, James Beattie and a million quid on Owen I think we have spent a substantial amount on just one area of the team.
We were probably expecting Begovic to go this summer to bolster the kitty but he'll be here until next season now just when the loan deal will end and Hughes has had time to ship out some deadwood.
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Post by stokiehereandnow on Jul 24, 2013 17:23:38 GMT
Everyone on Twitter now saying he's signed for Stoke. no they are not |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 17:26:27 GMT
He's a Football Manager/FIFA player, he has done fuck all in reality to justify the hype. That said if he signs I hope he's as good as Gary Penrice tells me he is on FM!  Surely if that was the case though Bayern, every young footballer coming through the ranks would get 'touted' as the next big thing, like he has? There's obviously something unique about this guy. He must have been quality in his teenage years to have gotten the reputation he has done considering how very little he has played in the last couple of seasons. There are quite a few tbf. And I wouldn't say unique, I think he might be a bright light in what is a pretty dark cloud that is the Portuguese national side. They aren't having a great time of it and I think he's seen as the next hope and he hasn't delivered. He's 21 now, 21 year olds imo should be close to establishing themselves, he's nowhere near that or he'd be in the Benfica squad. They don't trust him even for their league, why should we in ours which is better? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 17:28:27 GMT
Everyone on Twitter now saying he's signed for Stoke. no they are not 'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica' 'OFICIAL: Nélson Oliveira es nuevo jugador del #StokeCity. Llega como cedido procedente de #Benfica.' 'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica: #SCFC #SLB' 3 of many. All in the last 40 minutes. |
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Post by stokiehereandnow on Jul 24, 2013 17:34:41 GMT
'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica' 'OFICIAL: Nélson Oliveira es nuevo jugador del #StokeCity. Llega como cedido procedente de #Benfica.' 'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica: #SCFC #SLB' 3 of many. All in the last 40 minutes. can't see them mate lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 17:36:07 GMT
'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica' 'OFICIAL: Nélson Oliveira es nuevo jugador del #StokeCity. Llega como cedido procedente de #Benfica.' 'Stoke Win Battle to Sign Nelson Oliveira on Loan From Benfica: #SCFC #SLB' 3 of many. All in the last 40 minutes. can't see them mate lol Not looking hard enough  |
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Post by st3mark on Jul 24, 2013 17:44:30 GMT
I can see 1 or 2 tweets about it. Nothing different than the last 2 days though.
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Post by liveattheoasis on Jul 24, 2013 17:47:55 GMT
For me you need a view to buy. Let Benfica set it at 8 or 9 million, and let the player prove his value. It's a win-win.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 24, 2013 18:02:54 GMT
Check out @_GoncaloLopes's Tweet:
Interesting development, this from the Portuguese journalist that first broke the story, Rennes enter the race, Stoke won't pay what benfica want but the player favours us
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 24, 2013 19:08:13 GMT
God this is dragging on.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jul 24, 2013 19:13:46 GMT
That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. We'd be essentially giving a million euros away for a player who's unproven and done nowt. And then come the end of it if he actually is any good we have no mechanism to act upon without getting burnt. The only thing here without logic is the potential deal. Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior We are paying for the privilege of using the player/house that we do not own. Whilst we won't own anything come the end of the contract, we of course don't have to pay for material damages such as a broken leg/boiler if such a thing would occur, we also aren't stuck with an underwhelming, deteriorating, devalued pile of crap sucking the bank dry in the event of a misjudgment. And of course, if the end of year investment is positive, then there is the chance to buy at an obviously inflated rate. That increase is the cost of cutting risk out of the deal. Brap. |
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Post by stokeymad on Jul 24, 2013 19:15:26 GMT
Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior Simple logic that is. Ever heard of negative equity.or rising interest rates.see how good owning your own house is then.especially as most of us are living paycheck to paycheck. In its most basic form that was the comparison being made. Obviously this financial climate makes things a bit different. However the basis is still the same buying is better than renting just like buying a player is better than a loan. IMO of course vis unita fortior |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 19:18:04 GMT
We'd be essentially giving a million euros away for a player who's unproven and done nowt. And then come the end of it if he actually is any good we have no mechanism to act upon without getting burnt. The only thing here without logic is the potential deal. Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior We are paying for the privilege of using the player/house that we do not own. Whilst we won't own anything come the end of the contract, we of course don't have to pay for material damages such as a broken leg/boiler if such a thing would occur, we also aren't stuck with an underwhelming, deteriorating, devalued pile of crap sucking the bank dry in the event of a misjudgment. And of course, if the end of year investment is positive, then there is the chance to buy at an obviously inflated rate. That increase is the cost of cutting risk out of the deal. Brap. All decent points but if he breaks his leg paying for us I'd still expect us to still pay the million Euros so it'd definitely be a million quid burned or a hike on our insurance premiums. And I don't like overly inflated prices, I'd rather we got one sorted beforehand to avoid just that. |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jul 24, 2013 19:38:19 GMT
We are paying for the privilege of using the player/house that we do not own. Whilst we won't own anything come the end of the contract, we of course don't have to pay for material damages such as a broken leg/boiler if such a thing would occur, we also aren't stuck with an underwhelming, deteriorating, devalued pile of crap sucking the bank dry in the event of a misjudgment. And of course, if the end of year investment is positive, then there is the chance to buy at an obviously inflated rate. That increase is the cost of cutting risk out of the deal. Brap. All decent points but if he breaks his leg paying for us I'd still expect us to still pay the million Euros so it'd definitely be a million quid burned or a hike on our insurance premiums. And I don't like overly inflated prices, I'd rather we got one sorted beforehand to avoid just that. I'm sure in that instance there would be a clause written into the mammoth small print that would either void, reduce or reimburse us the full cost. I just don't see a lot wrong with the deals potential, your opinion though is just as valid as anyone else's. Even if you are a bit of a negative nancy |
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2013 20:01:00 GMT
Diouf & Nelson deals are cleary (to me) Stoke trying to do things as cheap as possible. reminds me of Coates era mark 1 Absolute nonsense. Are you forgetting we already have 26 million worth of strikers already in the squad on Christ knows how much wages. You can't just keep spending and spending. the exact reason I'm concerned PC has reverted to type |
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Post by maxdecarlo on Jul 24, 2013 20:15:33 GMT
Coates will only do what is in the interest of Mr Coates period! BET 365 has benefitted beyond all expectation as a result of its association with a premier league team -the familys weath has increased massively and they could not have done it withour stoke city.They are now by far the largest on line gambling firm anfd their wealth will continue to grow with or without stoke city. Coates does not need the club to succeeed as much as he did in the past. His greed brought success to the club but his greed may destroy it....the biggest myth is the investment whatever has been put into the club is a fraction of what bet 365 have made since coatees came back here......be prepaed for littel investment- hughes will soon get fed up...
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Post by aixpotter on Jul 24, 2013 20:17:46 GMT
What an unbelievable post!
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jul 24, 2013 20:17:52 GMT
Max lad I think you have things the wrong way round as to who needs who between Stoke City and Bet365
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:20:23 GMT
What an unbelievable post!You got any good news mate, think people are a bit frustrated with these striker deals apparently collapsing. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 20:20:45 GMT
All decent points but if he breaks his leg paying for us I'd still expect us to still pay the million Euros so it'd definitely be a million quid burned or a hike on our insurance premiums. And I don't like overly inflated prices, I'd rather we got one sorted beforehand to avoid just that. I'm sure in that instance there would be a clause written into the mammoth small print that would either void, reduce or reimburse us the full cost. I just don't see a lot wrong with the deals potential, your opinion though is just as valid as anyone else's. Even if you are a bit of a negative nancy I aren't sure there would be, maybe that's a sticking point? Wasn't it one of the reasons (along with the potential for him being sent back during January) we didn't go for Huddlestone last year? Different deals will be structured differently I guess. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 24, 2013 20:23:49 GMT
What an unbelievable post!Nah - I expect much more of this total nonsense as the season progresses |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 24, 2013 20:36:30 GMT
Coates will only do what is in the interest of Mr Coates period! BET 365 has benefitted beyond all expectation as a result of its association with a premier league team -the familys weath has increased massively and they could not have done it withour stoke city.They are now by far the largest on line gambling firm anfd their wealth will continue to grow with or without stoke city. Coates does not need the club to succeeed as much as he did in the past. His greed brought success to the club but his greed may destroy it....the biggest myth is the investment whatever has been put into the club is a fraction of what bet 365 have made since coatees came back here......be prepaed for littel investment- hughes will soon get fed up... What a ridiculously ignorant and despicable post. How any Stoke fan could say that....I'm lost for words. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 24, 2013 20:38:41 GMT
Interesting viewpoint Max. To be fair, Bet365 probably could have done with a lot of other clubs and chose Stoke purely because Coates is actually a supporter. How lucky are we that he is benefitted so massively from this.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 24, 2013 20:39:24 GMT
Coates will only do what is in the interest of Mr Coates period! BET 365 has benefitted beyond all expectation as a result of its association with a premier league team -the familys weath has increased massively and they could not have done it withour stoke city.They are now by far the largest on line gambling firm anfd their wealth will continue to grow with or without stoke city. Coates does not need the club to succeeed as much as he did in the past. His greed brought success to the club but his greed may destroy it....the biggest myth is the investment whatever has been put into the club is a fraction of what bet 365 have made since coatees came back here......be prepaed for littel investment- hughes will soon get fed up... What a ridiculously ignorant and despicable post. How any Stoke fan could say that....I'm lost for words. Totally agree mate but one look at the moron's posting history tells us all you need to know about this individual  |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 24, 2013 20:46:55 GMT
What a ridiculously ignorant and despicable post. How any Stoke fan could say that....I'm lost for words. Totally agree mate but one look at the moron's posting history tells us all you need to know about this individual The post is indeed ridiculous but in the past Pete has taken a lot more than given and was driven out of the club. The second coming as been nothing short of a miracle and we all should be extremely grateful for the position we now find ourselves in and i hope beyond all hope the Coates family remain for a long long time! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2013 20:53:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:53:55 GMT
Jesus Christ Stoke! Rubbish! |
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