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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 15:48:24 GMT
You might as well burn a million Euros imo. Why? It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. You might as well burn a million Euros imo. Is he really that bad? Based on his YouTube compilation I'd sooner have him in the team than Kightly or Etherington. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 15:48:44 GMT
I'm sure there's more to it - but if (BIG IF) we aren't willing to go to £6-7m for Diouf and we're not willing to match the loan fee offered by Stade Rennais, a mid-table club in a league that doesn't have our in-built massive financial advantages, something seems a bit off with the radar of this new directon. The owners have probably spent the best part of £6m or £7m just to get rid of TP and his team. Bet365 have taken a hit on our losses since we have been in the prem, free travel and we are spending £6m(?) or so on the academy which means we are probably heading again towards not being self sustaining. Is it simply a case that Bet365 will not suffer anymore losses and strict budgets need to be adhered to? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 24, 2013 15:50:46 GMT
Apparently we're refusing to pay the £1m asking price. Getting pretty fucking sick of losing out on players because we're refusing to pay reasonable enough prices. That would be fine if true, but 1mil is not reasonable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 15:51:00 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. Is he really that bad? Based on his YouTube compilation I'd sooner have him in the team than Kightly or Etherington. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. Hmmm, but if they player makes us finish 2 places higher then it has affectively cost us nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 15:52:43 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. Is he really that bad? Based on his YouTube compilation I'd sooner have him in the team than Kightly or Etherington. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. But if he is a success and helps us finish higher in the league then surely we reap the rewards that way? The fee being touted is less than the money we'd earn for finishing just one place higher. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 15:53:12 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. Hmmm, but if they player makes us finish 2 places higher then it has affectively cost us nothing. And then we're back to square one next year. It's just a shit deal. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 24, 2013 15:54:11 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. Is he really that bad? Based on his YouTube compilation I'd sooner have him in the team than Kightly or Etherington. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. It's cost cutting in the same way that agency workers are cost cutting. It's money down the drain but pretty good for the balance sheet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 15:56:49 GMT
I'm sure there's more to it - but if (BIG IF) we aren't willing to go to £6-7m for Diouf and we're not willing to match the loan fee offered by Stade Rennais, a mid-table club in a league that doesn't have our in-built massive financial advantages, something seems a bit off with the radar of this new directon. The owners have probably spent the best part of £6m or £7m just to get rid of TP and his team. Bet365 have taken a hit on our losses since we have been in the prem, free travel and we are spending £6m(?) or so on the academy which means we are probably heading again towards not being self sustaining. Is it simply a case that Bet365 will not suffer anymore losses and strict budgets need to be adhered to? In a season where everyone's budget has gone up by some ridiculous level, where even the schoolyard priss, Swansea ,are lashing money around like some drugged up, boozed up loon in Vegas? Times and places for cuts and this is not the summer to be doing it. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 24, 2013 15:58:05 GMT
The owners have probably spent the best part of £6m or £7m just to get rid of TP and his team. Bet365 have taken a hit on our losses since we have been in the prem, free travel and we are spending £6m(?) or so on the academy which means we are probably heading again towards not being self sustaining. Is it simply a case that Bet365 will not suffer anymore losses and strict budgets need to be adhered to? In a season where everyone's budget has gone up by some ridiculous level, where even the schoolyard priss, Swansea ,are lashing money around like some drugged up, boozed up loon in Vegas? Times and places for cuts and this is not the summer to be doing it. It's absolutely fucking insane timing. Entirely their prerogative though. |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jul 24, 2013 16:01:52 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game. That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2013 16:03:21 GMT
It's really pointless knocking.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 24, 2013 16:04:40 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game nowadays. Is he really that bad? Based on his YouTube compilation I'd sooner have him in the team than Kightly or Etherington. I aren't really on about his quality (although I do think he's overrated) I just don't think renting a player for a year a million Euros is financially sound. If we rate him then I think €1m is fair. We probably paid more per season for Dean fucking Whitehead than that! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:05:52 GMT
In a season where everyone's budget has gone up by some ridiculous level, where even the schoolyard priss, Swansea ,are lashing money around like some drugged up, boozed up loon in Vegas? Times and places for cuts and this is not the summer to be doing it. It's absolutely fucking insane timing. Entirely their prerogative though. I totally agree with this. The timing is crazy.. |
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Post by whereami on Jul 24, 2013 16:08:01 GMT
Is it possible they're using this to force Hannovers hand over their asking price for Diouf? I agree that for a club in our position, potentially paying a million quid to rent a player for a year doesnt make much sense
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 16:10:14 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game. That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. We'd be essentially giving a million euros away for a player who's unproven and done nowt. And then come the end of it if he actually is any good we have no mechanism to act upon without getting burnt. The only thing here without logic is the potential deal. |
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Post by stokeymad on Jul 24, 2013 16:10:54 GMT
It's like renting a house, just shitting Your money up the wall. I don't see it as a cost cutting deal at all for that reason. It's an odd one though if we really wanted him, loan fees are a big part of the game. That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:18:11 GMT
That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior and what if you buy the house and the housing market crashes like it has?? |
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 24, 2013 16:21:19 GMT
That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. We'd be essentially giving a million euros away for a player who's unproven and done nowt. And then come the end of it if he actually is any good we have no mechanism to act upon without getting burnt. The only thing here without logic is the potential deal. 1 thing the deal would do is signal a statement of intent to any other players across Europe that we may be looking to bring in. Whether he's proven or not there's a lot of people scratching their head at why such a high profile individual would even consider joining Stoke. Check the Twitter feed, hundreds of football fans astonished that Nelson Oliveira is on the brink of joining us. |
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Post by keasie1863 on Jul 24, 2013 16:22:00 GMT
That logic makes absolutely no sense, at all. Of course it does. Owning a house = profit and the potential to do more with it. Renting = no control whatsoever and you pay a shitload of money for the privilege. vis unita fortior Simple logic that is. Ever heard of negative equity.or rising interest rates.see how good owning your own house is then.especially as most of us are living paycheck to paycheck. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 16:23:19 GMT
We'd be essentially giving a million euros away for a player who's unproven and done nowt. And then come the end of it if he actually is any good we have no mechanism to act upon without getting burnt. The only thing here without logic is the potential deal. 1 thing the deal would do is signal a statement of intent to any other players across Europe that we may be looking to bring in. Whether he's proven or not there's a lot of people scratching their head at why such a high profile individual would even consider joining Stoke. Check the Twitter feed, hundreds of football fans astonished that Nelson Oliveira is on the brink of joining us. He's a Football Manager/FIFA player, he has done fuck all in reality to justify the hype. That said if he signs I hope he's as good as Gary Penrice tells me he is on FM!  |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2013 16:32:48 GMT
If it means I don't have to watch SJW play behind the striker next season it will be a million euros spent wisely.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 16:37:05 GMT
If it means I don't have to watch SJW play behind the striker next season it will be a million euros spent wisely. This. In fact this is a massively important factor behind it being such a good deal for the club! |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 24, 2013 16:49:59 GMT
It wouldnt be a transfer window without a Stoke collapse "deal"
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 24, 2013 16:51:06 GMT
1 thing the deal would do is signal a statement of intent to any other players across Europe that we may be looking to bring in. Whether he's proven or not there's a lot of people scratching their head at why such a high profile individual would even consider joining Stoke. Check the Twitter feed, hundreds of football fans astonished that Nelson Oliveira is on the brink of joining us. He's a Football Manager/FIFA player, he has done fuck all in reality to justify the hype. That said if he signs I hope he's as good as Gary Penrice tells me he is on FM! Surely if that was the case though Bayern, every young footballer coming through the ranks would get 'touted' as the next big thing, like he has? There's obviously something unique about this guy. He must have been quality in his teenage years to have gotten the reputation he has done considering how very little he has played in the last couple of seasons. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2013 16:51:40 GMT
Diouf & Nelson deals are cleary (to me) Stoke trying to do things as cheap as possible.
reminds me of Coates era mark 1
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Post by huuuuuth on Jul 24, 2013 16:51:44 GMT
Is it possible they're using this to force Hannovers hand over their asking price for Diouf? I agree that for a club in our position, potentially paying a million quid to rent a player for a year doesnt make much sense We allegedly paid around a million quid for Owen last season though  I'm sure if Hughes had a proper boner for him then we'd have him in by now. To use a well ravaged quote, there must be other "irons in the fire" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 16:53:29 GMT
Diouf & Nelson deals are cleary (to me) Stoke trying to do things as cheap as possible. reminds me of Coates era mark 1 You're not saying our Technical Director is Moxey Mk II are you? "Because nothing else matters" |
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2013 16:58:13 GMT
Diouf & Nelson deals are cleary (to me) Stoke trying to do things as cheap as possible. reminds me of Coates era mark 1 You're not saying our Technical Director is Moxey Mk II are you? "Because nothing else matters" no thats a horrible thought.... |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2013 17:01:05 GMT
The owners have probably spent the best part of £6m or £7m just to get rid of TP and his team. Bet365 have taken a hit on our losses since we have been in the prem, free travel and we are spending £6m(?) or so on the academy which means we are probably heading again towards not being self sustaining. Is it simply a case that Bet365 will not suffer anymore losses and strict budgets need to be adhered to? In a season where everyone's budget has gone up by some ridiculous level, where even the schoolyard priss, Swansea ,are lashing money around like some drugged up, boozed up loon in Vegas? Times and places for cuts and this is not the summer to be doing it. We do seem a bit out of step, don't we?   |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2013 17:08:33 GMT
Diouf & Nelson deals are cleary (to me) Stoke trying to do things as cheap as possible. reminds me of Coates era mark 1 Absolute nonsense. Are you forgetting we already have 26 million worth of strikers already in the squad on Christ knows how much wages. You can't just keep spending and spending. |
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