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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 9:41:35 GMT
What a drab day of cricket that turned out to be. Not so sure the England side will be coming to Australia with as much confidence as they should. Where is the Alistair Cook that plundered the Aussie bowling during the last Ashes series. He scored almost as many runs in the Brisbane test than the entire series to date. I'm pretty sure that Clark was wary of him above all others. Has the captaincy reduced his effectiveness as a batsman I wonder. Hope so. It will make the Aus series much more enjoyable to watch. After saying that I must congratulate Bell. What a performance; surely the man of the series. At the end of the day 3-1 is perhaps a fair reflection of the teams. Certainly no where near a 5-0 drubbing I had feared. All we need now if for Davey to recapture his confidence (yes he was badly mauled this time around) Clarke's back problem to be corrected, Smith to settle in at 5, our much reported young bloods quickies not to be quite as fragile and the spinners under wraps to come to the fore. Not too much to ask for. Yeah, right! Christmas is almost upon us, the sun is already beginning to warm up (it isn't yet Spring) so hopefully Santa will be generous. I think that the travelling Balmy Army (yes I know it's Barmy, but after time in the Aus sun they do settle down) will enjoy the new stands at the SCG. A great addition to what was already a magnificent cricket ground. In closing I have to say that it was a tad disappointing that the highlight of the day was a slanging match between our skipper and KP....... says it all really. Cook and Trott will be back to their best , so will Prior .....with Bell and Pietersen . If they all perform anywhere near their best , it will be harder still for Australia. I still don't think Australia have solved many of their problems, and by all accounts Clarke's back is not going to be corrected , its permanent and will eventually end his career......much to look forward too . I agree about the slanging match ......particularly infantile , " nobody in your team likes you " , " well nobody in your team likes you either " , for gods sake !
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 24, 2013 10:33:01 GMT
Mike Selvey who is one of the better cricket writers to follow on twitter reckons Tremlett was playing until the groundsman took all the grass off and that he was better not playing on the slow shitheap it promises (and has turned out) to be. I have heard something similar .......I don't believe it at all, if they had wanted the grass leaving on , that's what would have happened ......they made a bad call The bad call was not winning the toss I think they'd decided to go with two spinners and prepared the pitch accordingly, Tremlett would have got little out of this pitch so they rested him but I expect him to play a big part down under.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 24, 2013 10:45:57 GMT
What a drab day of cricket that turned out to be. Not so sure the England side will be coming to Australia with as much confidence as they should. Where is the Alistair Cook that plundered the Aussie bowling during the last Ashes series. He scored almost as many runs in the Brisbane test than the entire series to date. I'm pretty sure that Clark was wary of him above all others. Has the captaincy reduced his effectiveness as a batsman I wonder. Hope so. It will make the Aus series much more enjoyable to watch. After saying that I must congratulate Bell. What a performance; surely the man of the series. At the end of the day 3-1 is perhaps a fair reflection of the teams. Certainly no where near a 5-0 drubbing I had feared. All we need now if for Davey to recapture his confidence (yes he was badly mauled this time around) Clarke's back problem to be corrected, Smith to settle in at 5, our much reported young bloods quickies not to be quite as fragile and the spinners under wraps to come to the fore. Not too much to ask for. Yeah, right! Christmas is almost upon us, the sun is already beginning to warm up (it isn't yet Spring) so hopefully Santa will be generous. I think that the travelling Balmy Army (yes I know it's Barmy, but after time in the Aus sun they do settle down) will enjoy the new stands at the SCG. A great addition to what was already a magnificent cricket ground. In closing I have to say that it was a tad disappointing that the highlight of the day was a slanging match between our skipper and KP....... says it all really. Cook and Trott will be back to their best , so will Prior .....with Bell and Pietersen . If they all perform anywhere near their best , it will be harder still for Australia. I still don't think Australia have solved many of their problems, and by all accounts Clarke's back is not going to be corrected , its permanent and will eventually end his career......much to look forward too . I agree about the slanging match ......particularly infantile , " nobody in your team likes you " , " well nobody in your team likes you either " , for gods sake ! Don't think it's a confidence thing withWarner, his technique is just not good enough at test level. Personally I think England will be delighted that barring injuries LBWatson and Smith will be in the Aussie sid at the Gabba.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 10:59:02 GMT
I have heard something similar .......I don't believe it at all, if they had wanted the grass leaving on , that's what would have happened ......they made a bad call The bad call was not winning the toss I think they'd decided to go with two spinners and prepared the pitch accordingly, Tremlett would have got little out of this pitch so they rested him but I expect him to play a big part down under. Well that's a new one on me mate ......resting a bowler who hasn't bowled a ball in the series yet ! But seriously I get your point .....the thing is why play Woakes then ? If you were going to play two spinners , pick Tremlett because otherwise you have only got two proven seamers in Anderson and Broad.....it put too much onus on those two and Swann ....regardless of the nature of the pitch Tremlett should have played , he would have been more effective than a debutant spinner who only bowled eight overs
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 11:03:20 GMT
Cook and Trott will be back to their best , so will Prior .....with Bell and Pietersen . If they all perform anywhere near their best , it will be harder still for Australia. I still don't think Australia have solved many of their problems, and by all accounts Clarke's back is not going to be corrected , its permanent and will eventually end his career......much to look forward too . I agree about the slanging match ......particularly infantile , " nobody in your team likes you " , " well nobody in your team likes you either " , for gods sake ! Don't think it's a confidence thing withWarner, his technique is just not good enough at test level. Personally I think England will be delighted that barring injuries LBWatson and Smith will be in the Aussie sid at the Gabba. I don't think England will be worrying over either of them mate ......Watson played well enough , but only because we played him into some sort of form by gifting him 80 runs before lunch with awful bowling from the debutants , he had been under pressure coming into this test not perform .....we just took the pressure off him , an easier hundred he will never score .
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 24, 2013 11:40:42 GMT
I liked the bit of banter between Clarke and Pietersen yesterday. 3 nil down after 4 tests and he's gobbling off?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 14:18:42 GMT
I liked the bit of banter between Clarke and Pietersen yesterday. 3 nil down after 4 tests and he's gobbling off? Just a bit of handbags in the afternoon ...nothing serious
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Post by salopstick on Aug 24, 2013 18:32:50 GMT
3-0 knowing Australia could have won the other two is a great series result
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 20:16:12 GMT
3-0 knowing Australia could have won the other two is a great series result They could have won the third if it wasn't for the rain .....I don't think they would have won this one though mate , as you say a great result
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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 25, 2013 8:18:24 GMT
Roll on December and my six week stay and three test trip to Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 9:52:25 GMT
Roll on December and my six week stay and three test trip to Australia. Lucky you mate .....I hope you enjoy it
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Post by sydneypotter on Aug 25, 2013 10:07:37 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret.
I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane.
This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle.
However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here.
After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year.
I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 10:26:39 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret. I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane. This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle. However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here. After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year. I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers It's been enjoyable conversing with you as well mate , its always a pleasure to talk cricket wit h a fellow enthusiast , hope you make an appearance or two during the winter
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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 25, 2013 10:35:27 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret. I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane. This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle. However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here. After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year. I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers I got tickets for every day at Perth Melbourne and Sydney. Cannot wait. Have to tell me best bars to watch Stoke matches. In Sydney 31st December until 11th jan
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 13:10:55 GMT
Well done Brad Haddin, 28 dismissals in the series and a joint world record.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 25, 2013 13:14:34 GMT
I'd love to see Kerrigan have a good afternoon - but he looks like he's shitting bricks to me?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 25, 2013 13:21:54 GMT
377 all out. Will Ozzies set England a run chase after tea or settle for the draw?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 13:29:29 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret. I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane. This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle. However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here. After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year. I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers I'm not sure Aus have the momentum in all honesty, it's a long time since a test win and that's far more damaging than only losing 3-0 is beneficial. Even more demoralising is the fact that even when Australia do get large scores they still can't win the game. I for one would be more concerned about the fact Cook and Trott have struggled this series, as it means big scores are surely on the way. Let's not forget Cook was out of nick prior to 2010/11 Ashes. Lehmann's comments have the capacity to backfire, it will only make Broad bowl faster and with more of a purpose. The lack of a quality spinner means that Aus are still without a huge weapon in the arsenal, I'm still not completely sold on Starc and Pattinson. Even Siddle has struggled in the last two tests. Harris is a complete gem of a bowler and if he can last a whole series then it will be huge for Australia. A 176 for Watson does not mean he's past his problems and other than his 187 Clarke has had a bad series. Warner can be effective but easily throws his wicket away. Rogers is not a long term solution and Khawaja doesn't look like he can cut it. All in all, Australia's line up is no where near sorted. I too hope for a good series, but I wouldn't say Australia have any advantage going into it. All this series has shown is that England can still win a series in second gear.
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Post by jonah77 on Aug 25, 2013 13:41:30 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret. I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane. This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle. However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here. After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year. I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers I'm not sure Aus have the momentum in all honesty, it's a long time since a test win and that's far more damaging than only losing 3-0 is beneficial. Even more demoralising is the fact that even when Australia do get large scores they still can't win the game. I for one would be more concerned about the fact Cook and Trott have struggled this series, as it means big scores are surely on the way. Let's not forget Cook was out of nick prior to 2010/11 Ashes. Lehmann's comments have the capacity to backfire, it will only make Broad bowl faster and with more of a purpose. The lack of a quality spinner means that Aus are still without a huge weapon in the arsenal, I'm still not completely sold on Starc and Pattinson. Even Siddle has struggled in the last two tests. Harris is a complete gem of a bowler and if he can last a whole series then it will be huge for Australia. A 176 for Watson does not mean he's past his problems and other than his 187 Clarke has had a bad series. Warner can be effective but easily throws his wicket away. Rogers is not a long term solution and Khawaja doesn't look like he can cut it. All in all, Australia's line up is no where near sorted. I too hope for a good series, but I wouldn't say Australia have any advantage going into it. All this series has shown is that England can still win a series in second gear. Well said mate,I think on occasion we have made the Aussies look better than they actually are.If we can up our game,especially the top order,to how we know they can play I'm sure we can retain the urn for a fourth time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 14:32:25 GMT
Maccca, I do hope you enjoy your stay in Australia. Please remember not to tell anyone if you have a great time; we are trying to keep it a secret. I have my ticket for the SCG test and as with all test matches it's something to look forward to, this is especially true in an Ashes year. That's always special. With any luck we might have reshaped the batting order, toughened the pace attack and restored a number of battered egos before Brisbane. This series was a lot closer than I had thought possible at the start. We went over there with a number of batsmen plying for places and as it turned out there were a number of notable failures. Not to mention the coaching staff debacle. However, I think you will find that the Aus party will take back a greater level of confidence (let's face it, it could have been much lower than it was on arrival) and I would say the momentum has now swung the Aussie way. Unless Cook and Trott regain their mojo and Bell retains his then be prepared for a tough series out here. After all the poor Australian international sports results over the past year Joe Public needs to have something to celebrate. On the top of the Lions results the continuation of the All Blacks winning streak last night didn't help the cause either. We are not used to not having success, so I for one am looking forward to watching a hard fought Ashes series later this year. I have enjoyed reading and contributing the occasional piece to the Ashes 2013 thread on Oatcake and wish all the subscribers all my best wishes and regards. It wasn't a bad win for TMP's yesterday either, now on to WHU. Cheers I'm not sure Aus have the momentum in all honesty, it's a long time since a test win and that's far more damaging than only losing 3-0 is beneficial. Even more demoralising is the fact that even when Australia do get large scores they still can't win the game. I for one would be more concerned about the fact Cook and Trott have struggled this series, as it means big scores are surely on the way. Let's not forget Cook was out of nick prior to 2010/11 Ashes. Lehmann's comments have the capacity to backfire, it will only make Broad bowl faster and with more of a purpose. The lack of a quality spinner means that Aus are still without a huge weapon in the arsenal, I'm still not completely sold on Starc and Pattinson. Even Siddle has struggled in the last two tests. Harris is a complete gem of a bowler and if he can last a whole series then it will be huge for Australia. A 176 for Watson does not mean he's past his problems and other than his 187 Clarke has had a bad series. Warner can be effective but easily throws his wicket away. Rogers is not a long term solution and Khawaja doesn't look like he can cut it. All in all, Australia's line up is no where near sorted. I too hope for a good series, but I wouldn't say Australia have any advantage going into it. All this series has shown is that England can still win a series in second gear. They don't have the momentum mate , they are trying to convince themselves and everyone else that they have ! ......a below par England have beaten them 3-0 and are only going to improve .....Australia still have plenty to be worried about in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 14:34:34 GMT
377 all out. Will Ozzies set England a run chase after tea or settle for the draw? It's a Psychological run chase mate , not a serious one.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 14:50:02 GMT
Wouldn't hurt to give Kerrigan a bowl now?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 14:56:40 GMT
Freebies for Broad here...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 15:02:04 GMT
What on Earth is Warne banging on about? Atherton is right, England will have a bash and if they lose a couple of wickets they will sit and block. They're not going to smash 150 odd if they're 50-6 are they?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 15:16:43 GMT
What on Earth is Warne banging on about? Atherton is right, England will have a bash and if they lose a couple of wickets they will sit and block. They're not going to smash 150 odd if they're 50-6 are they? They may , but I don't expect England to have a go for them , I'd like to see us think about it though for a few overs , just to see how things go
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Post by discokaraoke on Aug 25, 2013 15:33:24 GMT
Just had a cheeky fiver on the Aussies at 33/1 Can see the them being really fired up for this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 15:41:18 GMT
Just had a cheeky fiver on the Aussies at 33/1 Can see the them being really fired up for this. Well of course they will be ....wouldn't be any point in declaring otherwise and setting a target ?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 25, 2013 15:52:51 GMT
Root goes, see the game out now I will certainly take 3-0, unbeaten in 12 and no Aussie win in 8.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 25, 2013 16:36:08 GMT
Clarke is just trying to gain some momentum for the next series. Bollocks to em.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 17:10:11 GMT
Clarke is just trying to gain some momentum for the next series. Bollocks to em. He is ....But how good would it be if it backfired on him and we make it 4-0 !
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