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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 15:13:18 GMT
This is a bit of a disaster Sod batting all day and keeping 7 or 8 wickets in hand, let's gift the Aussies some wickets. We're so generous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:14:30 GMT
Well another poor batting display.....some daft shots I hear bispham?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:14:52 GMT
We need to be looking at a minimum of 300 here ......
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Post by jonah77 on Aug 9, 2013 15:21:04 GMT
We need to be looking at a minimum of 300 here ...... Dream on.We'll be lucky to make 200.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:46:05 GMT
We need to be looking at a minimum of 300 here ...... Dream on.We'll be lucky to make 200. Well lets just wait and see shall we ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:47:36 GMT
Well another poor batting display.....some daft shots I hear bispham? More careless than daft I would say ......Cook got a good one though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:49:20 GMT
This is a bit of a disaster Sod batting all day and keeping 7 or 8 wickets in hand, let's gift the Aussies some wickets. We're so generous. Something along those lines .....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 16:24:33 GMT
Our batsmen are fucking wank.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:24:56 GMT
Well to the naked eye you would have said that was missing ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:31:16 GMT
Our batsmen are fucking wank. As usual constructive criticism is always useful ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 16:37:16 GMT
Our batsmen are fucking wank. As usual constructive criticism is always useful .... They do my head in as You well know! Why did we bat anyway? Today seems like a great day to bowl presuming it's as cloudy up north as it is here? I have no idea, I've been out in it all day. And as for that Yorkshire prick...........
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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 16:39:07 GMT
Our approach from ball 1 has been absolutely abysmal. You bat first and need to have some sort of intent, some sort of game plan. We have batsmen who are shit scared of getting out. So they try and stay in forever, without scoring, and then get out. Bairstow has proved he can be added to that list. Plays himself in, stays in, then plays a bloody cross batted sweep??? Why?
Terrible from England today, absolute horrorshow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:42:37 GMT
As usual constructive criticism is always useful .... They do my head in as You well know! Why did we bat anyway? Today seems like a great day to bowl presuming it's as cloudy up north as it is here? I have no idea, I've been out in it all day. And as for that Yorkshire prick........... Why does it seem a great day to bowl mate ? It's ideal batting conditions sun and a little cloudy ....no reason to bowl first ...poor batting thats the reason not the conditions
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 16:44:21 GMT
They do my head in as You well know! Why did we bat anyway? Today seems like a great day to bowl presuming it's as cloudy up north as it is here? I have no idea, I've been out in it all day. And as for that Yorkshire prick........... Why does it seem a great day to bowl mate ? It's ideal batting conditions sun and a little cloudy ....no reason to bowl first ...poor batting thats the reason not the conditions Like I said I had no idea what the weather was like up there, cloudy as fuck here! Our batting needs a shake up, has done for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:50:04 GMT
Our approach from ball 1 has been absolutely abysmal. You bat first and need to have some sort of intent, some sort of game plan. We have batsmen who are shit scared of getting out. So they try and stay in forever, without scoring, and then get out. Bairstow has proved he can be added to that list. Plays himself in, stays in, then plays a bloody cross batted sweep??? Why? Terrible from England today, absolute horrorshow. Well I try and not to criticise too much , I wouldn't put Cook and Trott in the category of being scared of getting out, or Pietersen ......it's a sign of the modern game ...when batsmen try and play in the old and trusted test match manner , they get into trouble ...you have to be able to apply yourself to the task and apply good shot selection ....something the modern player can't seem to comprehend ....it's score or get out , if they have to graft they are all at sea .....a downside of the 20/20 mentality that has altered the game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:50:11 GMT
Not seen any of the action today, following on text commentary but this it looks shit Let's hope the bowling saves us again! Get Root down the order, bring in Compton for Bairstow.
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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 16:50:39 GMT
And another one gone, what a day of fun!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:51:52 GMT
Prime example there ....no concept of application from Broad ....even a bowler should understand it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:52:27 GMT
And another one gone, what a day of fun! Very poor indeed
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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 16:54:25 GMT
Our approach from ball 1 has been absolutely abysmal. You bat first and need to have some sort of intent, some sort of game plan. We have batsmen who are shit scared of getting out. So they try and stay in forever, without scoring, and then get out. Bairstow has proved he can be added to that list. Plays himself in, stays in, then plays a bloody cross batted sweep??? Why? Terrible from England today, absolute horrorshow. Well I try and not to criticise too much , I wouldn't put Cook and Trott in the category of being scared of getting out, or Pietersen ......it's a sign of the modern game ...when batsmen try and play in the old and trusted test match manner , they get into trouble ...you have to be able to apply yourself to the task and apply good shot selection ....something the modern player can't seem to comprehend ....it's score or get out , if they have to graft they are all at sea .....a downside of the 20/20 mentality that has altered the game Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 16:56:33 GMT
Not seen any of the action today, following on text commentary but this it looks shit Let's hope the bowling saves us again! Get Root down the order, bring in Compton for Bairstow. Well I won't criticise Root ...his 180 at Lord's was marvelous .....but he has looked to struggle a little at the top of the order other than that .....early days still for him , Bairstow at the moment appears out of his depth a little
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 17:00:37 GMT
Well I try and not to criticise too much , I wouldn't put Cook and Trott in the category of being scared of getting out, or Pietersen ......it's a sign of the modern game ...when batsmen try and play in the old and trusted test match manner , they get into trouble ...you have to be able to apply yourself to the task and apply good shot selection ....something the modern player can't seem to comprehend ....it's score or get out , if they have to graft they are all at sea .....a downside of the 20/20 mentality that has altered the game Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water. You've been listening to Michael Vaughan! Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "Nathan Lyon has four wickets and he's not even spinning it! A bit of drift but that's about it. It must have been that dismissal of Ian Bell that has put the frighteners up England's batsmen thinking they can't go after the Australian attack." Our biggest problem has been the management of Compton, I was all for dropping him because I don't think he's good enough but it had to be done before the New Zealand home series. It allows Root to gel with Cook and get used to opening at a Test level and would have given Bairstow game time, he's barely played this season and then he's expected to play for England. I don't think he's good enough either yet but he hasn't been given a fair chance to show his best thanks to the thoughtless policies of the selectors. They should've stuck with Compton with how they've managed it. Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 17:01:21 GMT
Well I try and not to criticise too much , I wouldn't put Cook and Trott in the category of being scared of getting out, or Pietersen ......it's a sign of the modern game ...when batsmen try and play in the old and trusted test match manner , they get into trouble ...you have to be able to apply yourself to the task and apply good shot selection ....something the modern player can't seem to comprehend ....it's score or get out , if they have to graft they are all at sea .....a downside of the 20/20 mentality that has altered the game Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water. Well when you set the standards Cook has set anything less than a hundred is a disappointment ......If he and the other batsmen were frightened of getting out on that pitch , I am sure he would have fielded first , I don't accept for a minute that he was frightened ....still it does no harm to disagree mate ....debate is always enjoyable on this subject ...
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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 17:02:06 GMT
Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water. You've been listening to Michael Vaughan! Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "Nathan Lyon has four wickets and he's not even spinning it! A bit of drift but that's about it. It must have been that dismissal of Ian Bell that has put the frighteners up England's batsmen thinking they can't go after the Australian attack." Our biggest problem has been the management of Compton, I was all for dropping him because I don't think he's good enough but it had to be done before the New Zealand home series. It allows Root to gel with Cook and get used to opening at a Test level and would have given Bairstow game time, he's barely played this season and then he's expected to play for England. I don't think he's good enough either yet but he hasn't been given a fair chance to show his best thanks to the thoughtless policies of the selectors. They should've stuck with Compton with how they've managed it. Pathetic. Great minds think alike, ironically i haven't had Test Match Special on today for the first time this series and this is the only site i have open on my computer. I must be smart enough to be an ex-England captain
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 17:04:12 GMT
Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water. You've been listening to Michael Vaughan! Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "Nathan Lyon has four wickets and he's not even spinning it! A bit of drift but that's about it. It must have been that dismissal of Ian Bell that has put the frighteners up England's batsmen thinking they can't go after the Australian attack." Our biggest problem has been the management of Compton, I was all for dropping him because I don't think he's good enough but it had to be done before the New Zealand home series. It allows Root to gel with Cook and get used to opening at a Test level and would have given Bairstow game time, he's barely played this season and then he's expected to play for England. I don't think he's good enough either yet but he hasn't been given a fair chance to show his best thanks to the thoughtless policies of the selectors. They should've stuck with Compton with how they've managed it. Pathetic. I have said pretty much the same thing about Compton weeks ago .....then Okie started to throw his weight about and started the bullying on here , sticking the boot into Compton !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 17:04:25 GMT
So we've been batting negatively after opting to bat? How the fuck does that work?
Another one, I don't think Cook's a very good captain.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 17:06:44 GMT
You've been listening to Michael Vaughan! Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "Nathan Lyon has four wickets and he's not even spinning it! A bit of drift but that's about it. It must have been that dismissal of Ian Bell that has put the frighteners up England's batsmen thinking they can't go after the Australian attack." Our biggest problem has been the management of Compton, I was all for dropping him because I don't think he's good enough but it had to be done before the New Zealand home series. It allows Root to gel with Cook and get used to opening at a Test level and would have given Bairstow game time, he's barely played this season and then he's expected to play for England. I don't think he's good enough either yet but he hasn't been given a fair chance to show his best thanks to the thoughtless policies of the selectors. They should've stuck with Compton with how they've managed it. Pathetic. I have said pretty much the same thing about Compton weeks ago .....then Okie started to throw his weight about and started the bullying on here , sticking the boot into Compton ! I don't rate Compton at all but I said what I've posted there all along because to do it any other way makes no sense. It's why I thought he'd start this series when they gave him a chance with Gloucestershire???? against the Aussies in the warm up. And that was because it makes sense. Doing what we've done is just fucking stupid.
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Post by slozenger on Aug 9, 2013 17:06:58 GMT
Oh i disagree about Cook to be honest mate, he was petrified today. Absolutely petrified of getting out, it was one of those knocks where if he went on and got an ugly 100 then it's fine but he was all over the shop. Listen, i think he's one of the best batsmen in the world but in this series he's had a shocker by his standards and his mindset is all wrong. I agree with what you say though, and i think Bell's shot actually shot the rest of the dressing room who thought "Oh God, we can't play any attacking shots, look what happened there!" Daft and over the top as that sounds i really think it holds some water. Well when you set the standards Cook has set anything less than a hundred is a disappointment ......If he and the other batsmen were frightened of getting out on that pitch , I am sure he would have fielded first , I don't accept for a minute that he was frightened ....still it does no harm to disagree mate ....debate is always enjoyable on this subject ... How very dare you! I think he just came across as really being determined to stay in, no matter what, which is absolutely fine. However it went too far the other way so he ended up almost without a shot, if that makes sense. So he feared playing anything attacking and when he did he'd miss and then go into his shell more. Doesn't help that Root is struggling, take his 180 out of it and he's been very nervy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 17:07:24 GMT
So we've been batting negatively after opting to bat? How the fuck does that work? Another one, I don't think Cook's a very good captain. What do you think is any good then ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2013 17:10:17 GMT
So we've been batting negatively after opting to bat? How the fuck does that work? Another one, I don't think Cook's a very good captain. What do you think is any good then ? He's not pro-active enough for my liking and too conservative. And I don't think this England side are hungry and ruthless in fact they're pretty gutless and I think that stems from his demeanour. Change that and he becomes a good captain, as it stands he's just average.
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