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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 14, 2013 13:53:07 GMT
Aleem Dar is a worry. That last Haddin edge was a loud one. Thank goodness we had a review left?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 13:54:11 GMT
Just letting you stew a little mate ..... Consider me stewed! I may consider getting stewed myself !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 13:55:46 GMT
Aleem Dar is a worry. That last Haddin edge was a loud one. Thank goodness we had a review left? Agreed, he has always been a good umpire , I hope he has just had a poor one and nothing more
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 13:57:23 GMT
Don't forget to send your congratulations to Ian Bell mate He needs to send them to me tbh! When he came in I went on a Bell slating session knowing full well he usually does well when it happens..... Oh! In that case well played Bayern !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2013 13:59:31 GMT
He needs to send them to me tbh! When he came in I went on a Bell slating session knowing full well he usually does well when it happens..... Oh! In that case well played Bayern ! No worries, I'm glad to have played my part in such a good victory!
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jul 14, 2013 14:07:33 GMT
As if Haddin didn't walk, disgraceful! Bresnan for Finn next test for me and i think that will be the case actually. I feel for Finn actually, i really rate him but he's had a torrid time in this test. Of course he took the 1st two wickets in their 1st innings but being harsh that was more by luck than judgement. Bresnan coming in would add depth to batting as well but i feel he must come in for his bowling. I don't like the fact Cook was scared to go to Finn, that's not good with a 4 man bowling attack. The old "you don't change a winning team" has exceptions and this is the time for that kind of exception in my eyes. The problem with Bresnan for me is that he is not penetrating enough , he is steady and accurate but lacks the wicket taking edge , he won't let England down , but I never see him turning in a match winning spell of bowling ( I will be very happy for him to prove me wrong ), he will certainly improve the batting What about Tremelett bish? Whatever happened to him? Big lad seems to have more about him compared to Finn. Is Onions an option to?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 14:10:33 GMT
The problem with Bresnan for me is that he is not penetrating enough , he is steady and accurate but lacks the wicket taking edge , he won't let England down , but I never see him turning in a match winning spell of bowling ( I will be very happy for him to prove me wrong ), he will certainly improve the batting What about Tremelett bish? Whatever happened to him? Big lad seems to have more about him compared to Finn. Is Onions an option to? He has been suffering from long term injury , I believe he is just about fit again ....I rate him as a really good bowler ....if he can stay fit , he is a good call to play later on in the series Onions is a good bowler ....the selectors like him ....not sure he would suit the kind of pitches they are preparing though
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Post by salopstick on Jul 14, 2013 15:22:51 GMT
This has been a great test match, regardless of the result neither team has played particularly well One fluke innings by a number 11 debutant has made the match closer than it needed too Not a fluke mate , he played well... but he was out stumped for next to nothing ....awful umpiring made it into a close game ....Fabulous game of Test Cricket Number 11s on debut do not make big scores, A fine innings but a fluke one none the less. A great game though, test cricket is the best form IMO
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2013 15:27:02 GMT
Lets be honest he's not a genuine #11. He's an all-rounder with an average of 39, all be it's from 11 games. He was only batting at 11 because of his age and experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 15:45:23 GMT
Not a fluke mate , he played well... but he was out stumped for next to nothing ....awful umpiring made it into a close game ....Fabulous game of Test Cricket Number 11s on debut do not make big scores, A fine innings but a fluke one none the less. A great game though, test cricket is the best form IMO Its a fair bet that he will never bat at 11 again . Test Cricket is the ultimate mate
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Post by salopstick on Jul 14, 2013 15:58:14 GMT
The danger of moving him up the order is that it is a fluke innings and rarely repeated at 8,9 or 10
Keep him at 11 or even 10 let him settle in then decide if he warrants moving up the order
His second innings would have grounded him a bit
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Post by slozenger on Jul 14, 2013 16:32:44 GMT
As if Haddin didn't walk, disgraceful! Bresnan for Finn next test for me and i think that will be the case actually. I feel for Finn actually, i really rate him but he's had a torrid time in this test. Of course he took the 1st two wickets in their 1st innings but being harsh that was more by luck than judgement. Bresnan coming in would add depth to batting as well but i feel he must come in for his bowling. I don't like the fact Cook was scared to go to Finn, that's not good with a 4 man bowling attack. The old "you don't change a winning team" has exceptions and this is the time for that kind of exception in my eyes. The problem with Bresnan for me is that he is not penetrating enough , he is steady and accurate but lacks the wicket taking edge , he won't let England down , but I never see him turning in a match winning spell of bowling ( I will be very happy for him to prove me wrong ), he will certainly improve the batting I totally agree re: Bresnan, i'm not his biggest fan at all and would consider Finn a better bowler at this level however Finn's really disappointed in this match and for a while now. When Cook can't turn to 1 of his 4 bowlers for fear of leaking runs etc. then thing's need to change for me. We have 4 bowlers basically, other's like Root, Trott and Pietersen are just fill ins. So we need all 4 to be firing to some extent or less. Today Finn really almost helped Australia take the game away from us with those 2 awful overs. Haddin attacked him of course but if you were an Aussie then i think they'd rather Finn stayed in the team. Currently Finn is our Mitchell Johnson or Jason Gillespie if you look at recent Ashes, basically, the bowler the opposition feel is weak, low in confidence, short of form and good to attack.
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Post by slozenger on Jul 14, 2013 16:39:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 17:26:40 GMT
The problem with Bresnan for me is that he is not penetrating enough , he is steady and accurate but lacks the wicket taking edge , he won't let England down , but I never see him turning in a match winning spell of bowling ( I will be very happy for him to prove me wrong ), he will certainly improve the batting I totally agree re: Bresnan, i'm not his biggest fan at all and would consider Finn a better bowler at this level however Finn's really disappointed in this match and for a while now. When Cook can't turn to 1 of his 4 bowlers for fear of leaking runs etc. then thing's need to change for me. We have 4 bowlers basically, other's like Root, Trott and Pietersen are just fill ins. So we need all 4 to be firing to some extent or less. Today Finn really almost helped Australia take the game away from us with those 2 awful overs. Haddin attacked him of course but if you were an Aussie then i think they'd rather Finn stayed in the team. Currently Finn is our Mitchell Johnson or Jason Gillespie if you look at recent Ashes, basically, the bowler the opposition feel is weak, low in confidence, short of form and good to attack. Yes Finn is a better bowler than Bresnan , at the moment though he seems very short on confidence , today he didn't really look to be putting everything into it , he seems to be lacking a little aggression also...he has been disappointing in this game. When we are playing only four bowlers ( which we always do now ) you need to be able to turn to all of them in the hope that they will take wickets , I am sure they will turn to Bresnan , but for me we need somebody with a bit more wicket taking ability
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 17:30:29 GMT
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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 14, 2013 17:49:11 GMT
Finn has that raw pace, he's a genuine 90mph bowler, but after his 2 early wickets he's looked a bit of a spare part with ball and bat. With it being such a tight game, I thought he might cost us in the field towards the end as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 17:54:33 GMT
Finn has that raw pace, he's a genuine 90mph bowler, but after his 2 early wickets he's looked a bit of a spare part with ball and bat. With it being such a tight game, I thought he might cost us in the field towards the end as well? When you are having an off day it's funny how the ball follows you around isn't ?
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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 14, 2013 18:02:24 GMT
It used to follow me around all the time mate! Let's hope Jimmy keeps fit with all these overs he's bowling? Utter, utter class act.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 18:07:06 GMT
It used to follow me around all the time mate! Let's hope Jimmy keeps fit with all these overs he's bowling? Utter, utter class act. Agreed , we need to unearth a few new seamers I think ....our present crop excepted , there doesn't to be a lot around the county scene that stand out
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Post by slozenger on Jul 14, 2013 18:07:48 GMT
I totally agree re: Bresnan, i'm not his biggest fan at all and would consider Finn a better bowler at this level however Finn's really disappointed in this match and for a while now. When Cook can't turn to 1 of his 4 bowlers for fear of leaking runs etc. then thing's need to change for me. We have 4 bowlers basically, other's like Root, Trott and Pietersen are just fill ins. So we need all 4 to be firing to some extent or less. Today Finn really almost helped Australia take the game away from us with those 2 awful overs. Haddin attacked him of course but if you were an Aussie then i think they'd rather Finn stayed in the team. Currently Finn is our Mitchell Johnson or Jason Gillespie if you look at recent Ashes, basically, the bowler the opposition feel is weak, low in confidence, short of form and good to attack. Yes Finn is a better bowler than Bresnan , at the moment though he seems very short on confidence , today he didn't really look to be putting everything into it , he seems to be lacking a little aggression also...he has been disappointing in this game. When we are playing only four bowlers ( which we always do now ) you need to be able to turn to all of them in the hope that they will take wickets , I am sure they will turn to Bresnan , but for me we need somebody with a bit more wicket taking ability For sure, i mean who are the next cab's off the rank. Onions & Tremlett i'd guess. Onions looked a bit loose against Essex, i'm a fan of his and injury has really upset his career. He can swing an orange on his day Tremlett i like because he's massive, but that's more a "i'd like him at Stoke' kind of TP viewpoint rather than a cricketing one. I don't know how he's bowling this season in all honesty. Every time i've slagged of Bresnan in the past, which is every time he plays, he then seems to get wickets out of nowhere. I don't think his introduction helped because he was touted as "the next Flintoff" when he sort of arrived on the international scene, and he's never going to be that good a bowler. It's tough because we both agree Finn is a bigger threat and a better bowler but he's so short of confidence as you say and looks to be going 'round the park, mind you Lord's is a place he bowls well and it's his home ground in terms of his county so maybe he will keep his place. I wouldn't be disappointed if Bresnan replaced him at this moment in time and also for a reason which i hate myself for saying but, Bresnan can bat a bit as well. I hate it when that's a reason because i have the old school view of "pick batsmen to bat and bowlers to bowl" but it's a plus point if he does come in as our "tail" tends to get knocked over for nowt. Even though Finn did stay in for what was it, 6 days for a couple of runs in the winter? He can't bat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 18:16:35 GMT
Yes Finn is a better bowler than Bresnan , at the moment though he seems very short on confidence , today he didn't really look to be putting everything into it , he seems to be lacking a little aggression also...he has been disappointing in this game. When we are playing only four bowlers ( which we always do now ) you need to be able to turn to all of them in the hope that they will take wickets , I am sure they will turn to Bresnan , but for me we need somebody with a bit more wicket taking ability For sure, i mean who are the next cab's off the rank. Onions & Tremlett i'd guess. Onions looked a bit loose against Essex, i'm a fan of his and injury has really upset his career. He can swing an orange on his day Tremlett i like because he's massive, but that's more a "i'd like him at Stoke' kind of TP viewpoint rather than a cricketing one. I don't know how he's bowling this season in all honesty. Every time i've slagged of Bresnan in the past, which is every time he plays, he then seems to get wickets out of nowhere. I don't think his introduction helped because he was touted as "the next Flintoff" when he sort of arrived on the international scene, and he's never going to be that good a bowler. It's tough because we both agree Finn is a bigger threat and a better bowler but he's so short of confidence as you say and looks to be going 'round the park, mind you Lord's is a place he bowls well and it's his home ground in terms of his county so maybe he will keep his place. I wouldn't be disappointed if Bresnan replaced him at this moment in time and also for a reason which i hate myself for saying but, Bresnan can bat a bit as well. I hate it when that's a reason because i have the old school view of "pick batsmen to bat and bowlers to bowl" but it's a plus point if he does come in as our "tail" tends to get knocked over for nowt. Even though Finn did stay in for what was it, 6 days for a couple of runs in the winter? He can't bat. Well if he's fit enough I'd go for Tremlett , he isn't as quick as Finn but he does get that sharp bounce , if all these pitches are going to be as similar as Trent Bridge ( which they are saying may be the case ) you need some one who can get that little bit more out of it . If Finn is left out he needs to go back to Middlesex and get some bowling in ( or anywhere else ) which may be difficult as 20/20 is being played at the moment ...it's no use him moping around as 12th man he needs to to some work on his bowling in the middle not just in the nets
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Post by madelinesmithmmmh on Jul 14, 2013 20:47:16 GMT
Have only just got over Edgbaston 2005 and this happens. Not good for the heart. Never thought anything positive about Burnley but Super James is changing my viewpoint.
Roll on the rest of the summer. . . . . .
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Post by salopstick on Jul 14, 2013 21:01:27 GMT
It used to follow me around all the time mate! Let's hope Jimmy keeps fit with all these overs he's bowling? Utter, utter class act. Agreed , we need to unearth a few new seamers I think ....our present crop excepted , there doesn't to be a lot around the county scene that stand out Too much international cricket and central contracts means our internationals don't play much county cricket so the knowledge and experience doesn't get passed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:22:53 GMT
Agreed , we need to unearth a few new seamers I think ....our present crop excepted , there doesn't to be a lot around the county scene that stand out Too much international cricket and central contracts means our internationals don't play much county cricket so the knowledge and experience doesn't get passed The adoption of Central Contracts was a good thing initially , it has benefited England without a doubt , the problem being that some contracted players who are not in the test side get very little cricket at times and also players who are , like Bairstow and Finn who haven't been playing one day stuff for the past month are short of match practice when they come to a big test like the one we've just played , they should be playing some games for their counties ....bowlers need to bowl and batsmen need to bat
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 14, 2013 21:22:55 GMT
Well the test lasted longer than most of you thought and its a good job theres a few Irish playing for England
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 21:24:49 GMT
Well the test lasted longer than most of you thought and its a good job theres a few Irish playing for England There is not one Irishman in this England Test Squad at the moment mate
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 14, 2013 23:19:11 GMT
is Eoin Morgan not involved Bish ?, well will have to say South Africans then,,,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 23:44:02 GMT
The danger of moving him up the order is that it is a fluke innings and rarely repeated at 8,9 or 10 Keep him at 11 or even 10 let him settle in then decide if he warrants moving up the order His second innings would have grounded him a bit Well I would not have moved him up the order in this game .....it sends the wrong message out for a number of reasons ...1 , he is the answer to all their problems after one game .....2, one or two of their lower order are not bad batsmen anyway ,it may put one or two noses out of joint ( it does happen even at that level) 3 , even though he played so well he is unlikely to do it again ...and England may decide to target him for some rough treatment , he is only 19 after all and inexperienced ....no matter how much he smiles ....we shall see
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 23:47:01 GMT
is Eoin Morgan not involved Bish ?, well will have to say South Africans then,,, He's out injured mate , probably for the best part of the season ...broken finger I think ? He is down the pecking order for test cricket anyway at the moment The South Africans have all qualified for England ...they al hold British passports , they all have at least one parent who is British ...they all reside here permanently ...no problem or issue for me ...
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 14, 2013 23:51:10 GMT
(slaphead)Alright Bish, will keep up to speed in future , anyway the bits I watched were good
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