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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 8, 2013 16:46:30 GMT
Aint looking too bright,after watching the England under 21s in their 1st match and the 1st half of their 2nd. match. Or is it they just need a new Coach,because Pearce does not seem to have a clue.  |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 8, 2013 16:47:22 GMT
Pearce is clueless and the players are simply not good enough.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 8, 2013 16:50:30 GMT
Aint looking too bright,after watching the England under 21s in their 1st match and the 1st half of their 2nd. match. Or is it they just need a new Coach,because Pearce does not seem to have a clue. Was just gonna start a similar thread. Stuart Pearce is fooking toss. His tactical nous is woeful. Mind you the players look like strangers to each other. |
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Post by harrysburrow on Jun 8, 2013 18:45:45 GMT
It's been pretty shit since 66' so it would be tricky to spot the difference?
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Post by bobon on Jun 8, 2013 18:52:31 GMT
Manger has no game plan. Our talent may not be on a par with some countries but Wilshire ox jones walker welbeck all not selected. A decent manager and the fa taking these tournaments seriously and then we will see where we rank.
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Post by werrington on Jun 8, 2013 18:55:38 GMT
We got to the SF at Italia 90 and indeed would of gone on to win it I reckon if we had got through those penalties
The Premier League was formed the year after on the basis of helping the national side become a major force
We are now light years behind the major nations and no better than a Ukraine etc etc
It must rank as the biggest sham ever
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 8, 2013 19:12:56 GMT
The Norwegian U21 look like a promising side though!  |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 8, 2013 19:20:35 GMT
I'm 40 years old and the current England side is the poorest I can remember. We always seem to have had three world class players, I don't see that now. Who are our break through youngsters? Danny wellbeck? I know for a fact Oxlade-Chamberlains dad was a far better player. The reliance on foreign talent is impeding English footballs future and is evident in other sport too.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 8, 2013 19:23:23 GMT
We got to the SF at Italia 90 and indeed would of gone on to win it I reckon if we had got through those penalties The Premier League was formed the year after on the basis of helping the national side become a major force We are now light years behind the major nations and no better than a Ukraine etc etc It must rank as the biggest sham ever I've often heard Stoke's previous and successful direct style (when it was good not the last two years) being derided as a pointer as to why our national team could be suffering. I actually think England would be better trying to get back to those principals; as a nation we're just not very good at the slow paced, continental game and we are now caught between two stools and it's awful to watch. It is often said that the traditional English style isn't suitable to tournament international football but I'd argue this pedestrian, uninspired shite England have been serving up for a number of years certainly isn't helping us progress either. Of course I want to nurture our young talent and I want to see players with great technical ability who are assured in possession but that doesn't mean we have to play like Spain either. German football is being heralded at present (and quite rightly) but all they are essentially doing is playing a fairly orthodox system but with players technically superior to ours. I think the first step of our national team's progression is to realise what we're good at, set up to play that way and then develop the future star's technique. |
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Post by werrington on Jun 8, 2013 19:28:21 GMT
We got to the SF at Italia 90 and indeed would of gone on to win it I reckon if we had got through those penalties The Premier League was formed the year after on the basis of helping the national side become a major force We are now light years behind the major nations and no better than a Ukraine etc etc It must rank as the biggest sham ever I've often heard Stoke's previous and successful direct style (when it was good not the last two years) being derided as a pointer as to why our national team could be suffering. I actually think England would be better trying to get back to those principals; as a nation we're just not very good at the slow paced, continental game and we are now caught between two stools and it's awful to watch. It is often said that the traditional English style isn't suitable to tournament international football but I'd argue this pedestrian, uninspired shite England have been serving up for a number of years certainly isn't helping us progress either. Of course I want to nurture our young talent and I want to see players with great technical ability who are assured in possession but that doesn't mean we have to play like Spain either. German football is being heralded at present (and quite rightly) but all they are essentially doing is playing a fairly orthodox system but with players technically superior to ours. I think the first step of our national team's progression is to realise what we're good at, set up to play that way and then develop the future star's technique. It starts at a very early age on the parks pitches Jamo Lads who can pick a pass and do something different don't get a passing glance whereas the lad who puts somebody up in the air is given a rousing cheer and told " that's what we want " Well actually it's not what we want and are paying for it |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 8, 2013 19:47:10 GMT
I've often heard Stoke's previous and successful direct style (when it was good not the last two years) being derided as a pointer as to why our national team could be suffering. I actually think England would be better trying to get back to those principals; as a nation we're just not very good at the slow paced, continental game and we are now caught between two stools and it's awful to watch. It is often said that the traditional English style isn't suitable to tournament international football but I'd argue this pedestrian, uninspired shite England have been serving up for a number of years certainly isn't helping us progress either. Of course I want to nurture our young talent and I want to see players with great technical ability who are assured in possession but that doesn't mean we have to play like Spain either. German football is being heralded at present (and quite rightly) but all they are essentially doing is playing a fairly orthodox system but with players technically superior to ours. I think the first step of our national team's progression is to realise what we're good at, set up to play that way and then develop the future star's technique. It starts at a very early age on the parks pitches Jamo Lads who can pick a pass and do something different don't get a passing glance whereas the lad who puts somebody up in the air is given a rousing cheer and told " that's what we want " Well actually it's not what we want and are paying for it It certainly isn't, mate. There's massive changes needed and its going to take a long old time to sort. |
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Post by kingstokie on Jun 8, 2013 19:49:12 GMT
I've often heard Stoke's previous and successful direct style (when it was good not the last two years) being derided as a pointer as to why our national team could be suffering. I actually think England would be better trying to get back to those principals; as a nation we're just not very good at the slow paced, continental game and we are now caught between two stools and it's awful to watch. It is often said that the traditional English style isn't suitable to tournament international football but I'd argue this pedestrian, uninspired shite England have been serving up for a number of years certainly isn't helping us progress either. Of course I want to nurture our young talent and I want to see players with great technical ability who are assured in possession but that doesn't mean we have to play like Spain either. German football is being heralded at present (and quite rightly) but all they are essentially doing is playing a fairly orthodox system but with players technically superior to ours. I think the first step of our national team's progression is to realise what we're good at, set up to play that way and then develop the future star's technique. It starts at a very early age on the parks pitches Jamo Lads who can pick a pass and do something different don't get a passing glance whereas the lad who puts somebody up in the air is given a rousing cheer and told " that's what we want " Well actually it's not what we want and are paying for it Even park pitches are becoming a dying breed :(. Sad state of affairs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 20:01:23 GMT
Yet Mr wanky Hodgdon keeps selecting the old tried and failed. Never ever win anything
But we'd be better off choosing players from the lower reaches of the premier league and championship players.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 8, 2013 20:06:42 GMT
It's funny to see a team selected from a country of 5 million people able to beat a team selected from a country of 50 million people! Makes football more interesting at least! |
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Post by werrington on Jun 8, 2013 20:07:56 GMT
Yet Mr wanky Hodgdon keeps selecting the old tried and failed. Never ever win anything But we'd be better off choosing players from the lower reaches of the premier league and championship players. Can't argue mate Danny Wellbeck 2 goals all season says it all |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 8, 2013 20:13:30 GMT
There was an interesting piece of research done recently. Taking the same weekend in the Bundesliga and the PL, in the former 10.7% of the playing minutes were by German-qualified players under the age of 21, whereas the corresponding figure in the PL was 0.7% i.e 17 times as much in Germany. That tells you a lot. If you remember, when the PL was set up by the FA 20 years ago, one of the main reasons given was to help the national side...................
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Post by werrington on Jun 8, 2013 20:15:28 GMT
There was an interesting piece of research done recently. Taking the same weekend in the Bundesliga and the PL, in the former 10.7% of the playing minutes were by German-qualified players under the age of 21, whereas the corresponding figure in the PL was 0.7% i.e 17 times as much in Germany. That tells you a lot. If you remember, when the PL was set up by the FA 20 years ago, one of the main reasons given was to help the national side................... Already quoted that fact Malcolm Keep up ( winky thingy ) |
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Post by luke45 on Jun 8, 2013 20:43:13 GMT
The sad thing is though, we all know that the FA will offer Pearce a new contract within the next few months. Back to back tournament embarrassments under his management now, the players may not be great but he's certainly not bringing the best out of them. We may have had a weakened squad at our disposal tonight but that doesn't excuse the diabolical performance we produced. The whole England setup needs totally rebuilding from scratch because we'll never be successful until we stop living in the dark ages.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 8, 2013 20:47:19 GMT
Any football areas are used to build houses. You have to travel miles to find anywhere to play football, where you're aloud anyway
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 8, 2013 21:03:14 GMT
There was an interesting piece of research done recently. Taking the same weekend in the Bundesliga and the PL, in the former 10.7% of the playing minutes were by German-qualified players under the age of 21, whereas the corresponding figure in the PL was 0.7% i.e 17 times as much in Germany. That tells you a lot. If you remember, when the PL was set up by the FA 20 years ago, one of the main reasons given was to help the national side................... Already quoted that fact Malcolm Keep up ( winky thingy ) You made such a brilliant point, that it was well worth re-inforcing, Werrington  |
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jun 8, 2013 22:16:47 GMT
It'll be a good 15 years until we're anywhere near challenging. This is the worst I've seen the England setup in my lifetime by some distance. The next generation coming through look set to be even worse, so we can probably kiss goodbye to qualifying for most tournament finals. As it stands, simply getting out of the group at a World Cup or Euros would be an achievement.
We can't simply keep blaming the manager who manages the senior team. Roy Hodgson is doing the best he can with a very average England team. We're no longer there with the Italy's and the Portugals. We're slumming it with the Polands and the Ukraines of this world.
The premium on so called English talent has got to be reduced. Too many 'quality youngsters' get signed by bigger clubs for too much money compared to better foreign players from abroad. I noticed Jon Bostock has been released by Tottenham. He was signed from Crystal Palace as a teenager, tipped to be the next big thing, hardly played and has now been cast back out into the football wilderness. The whole outlook on how we nurture players is completely wrong.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2013 23:05:09 GMT
Can criticise Pearce and players all you want but the issue is the money grabbing Premier League.
It has killed off English players.
Hodgson and Pearce are easy targets and if we think all this will be put right by replacing them we are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 23:26:02 GMT
One of the main selling points of the premier league was that it would help the Engliish national team............ That was 20 years ago.
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Post by RAF on Jun 9, 2013 0:08:59 GMT
What's ruined English football is a succession of England managers who have promised to play players on merit then shit themselves and picked the NAMES.
Basically fucking yes men who suck the FA's cock.
Millichip put paid to probably the only man who could have made England great again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 9, 2013 0:24:07 GMT
What's ruined English football is a succession of England managers who have promised to play players on merit then shit themselves and picked the NAMES. Basically fucking yes men who suck the FA's cock. Millichip put paid to probably the only man who could have made England great again. H Agreed, the staring line up against Brazil came from just five clubs the lowest of which was Liverpool. Whilst in some ways this should be expected our game changer on the night, Ox, can't get even get in to his side on a regular basis. Chamberlain should still be at Southampton or at West Brom or with us, he would be a far more accomplished player by now but then Roy probably wouldn't pick him if he was. Loves a big side Roy does. |
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Post by RAF on Jun 9, 2013 0:38:44 GMT
What's ruined English football is a succession of England managers who have promised to play players on merit then shit themselves and picked the NAMES. Basically fucking yes men who suck the FA's cock. Millichip put paid to probably the only man who could have made England great again. H Agreed, the staring line up against Brazil came from just five clubs the lowest of which was Liverpool. Whilst in some ways this should be expected our game changer on the night, Ox, can't get even get in to his side on a regular basis. Chamberlain should still be at Southampton or at West Brom or with us, he would be a far more accomplished player by now but then Roy probably wouldn't pick him if he was. Loves a big side Roy does. You only have to look at that abortion Cahill who is a regular in Woys team , especially after effectively hanging Ryan out to dry the cunt. I'm not saying Ryan covered himself in glory , but to be never mentioned again after some of the shit juice we are regularly having to watch, it makes sense in a way.! Wankers who deserve each other. H |
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Post by werrington on Jun 9, 2013 7:05:35 GMT
What's ruined English football is a succession of England managers who have promised to play players on merit then shit themselves and picked the NAMES. Basically fucking yes men who suck the FA's cock. Millichip put paid to probably the only man who could have made England great again. H Agreed, the staring line up against Brazil came from just five clubs the lowest of which was Liverpool. Whilst in some ways this should be expected our game changer on the night, Ox, can't get even get in to his side on a regular basis. Chamberlain should still be at Southampton or at West Brom or with us, he would be a far more accomplished player by now but then Roy probably wouldn't pick him if he was. Loves a big side Roy does. . Tom Cleverley.......spent a season loan at Wigan and. he was just another player in The Premier League, then came back to MUFC and after one Charity Shield game is in ytye England set up Peter Beagrie ( all those years ago ) never got a sniff whilst at Stoke yet signed for Everton and before he even played a game he was called up for the u21s It won't change |
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Post by madasasnake on Jun 9, 2013 7:15:41 GMT
What a very depressing but entirely accurate thread!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2013 8:08:56 GMT
Until the culture of English football evolves England will continue to be average at best.
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Jun 9, 2013 8:10:37 GMT
To be fair other countries like Italy, Holland and Germany have the pick all u21 players at important games. So we should be playing Wilshire, oxlaide chamberlain etc in this competition. In reality though im not sure what difference it would make with the set up we have. The FA have fallen way behind and money taken over the English game. The only good thing that can happen in English football is a cap on amount of non- ENGLISH players.
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