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Post by padula on May 30, 2013 14:41:53 GMT
Afternoon all,
Let me start by saying I have watched QPR for over 40yrs (and yes that takes some doing)! I also have a grudging respect for the way your club has been run over the past 6-8 yrs (does not mean I like you) unlike our club, which has only just found some stability with Tony Fernandes even though we have been relegated.
Whilst Tony Pullis may not have imposed an eye-catching football style at Stoke City, he did discover a way to win matches and for many teams, a visit to you lot is not the most comfortable of afternoons. You have been a comfortable mid-table team, reached a cup final and have a great team ethic and spirit. I concede you are no Barcelona and that Tony Pullis had run his time, but what on earth has possessed your board to appoint Mark Hughes?
Xmas has come early to the QPR board as Hughes was probably still on the payroll (and he is not cheap) and I know that I speak for the vast majority of R's fans when I say we are "over the moon"!
I was one of the many who welcomed his initial appointment at QPR, but it did not take long for the reality to set in. He simply does not have a clue. Not a single one of his high-profile (and expensive) signings worked at R's. He could not make his mind up on a system or formation, he made awful team selections, he alienated some of the crowd favourates and took us a run this seasom where we did not win any of our opening 17 matches! We were already relegated when Arry came in.
Be prepared for some landmark signings (all of whom will be on the recommendation of his agent) and all of whom will fail to settle. I hear Hoillett may be on his way to you. Let me tell you he is awful (4 goals this season) but I speak for all R's fans when I say we will pay his train fare to Stoke. Now, if you had said you wanted Mackie; that I could understand.
Hughes says he kept us up the season before but that is a lie. You lot kept us up by beating Bolton.
It will be interesting to see how Mark Hughes gets on, but I would put money on it that he will be out of your club by November.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2013 14:47:21 GMT
All in all, you're a bit of a fan then?  |
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Post by siggy on May 30, 2013 14:49:08 GMT
Yeah but you could write the same for about any of your last six managers including Arry
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Post by Mr Wheeze on May 30, 2013 14:51:09 GMT
Not read it but I guess its another glowing reference for our new manager? If only we had some fans from clubs hes managed to come on here and give us their views......
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Post by padula on May 30, 2013 14:52:38 GMT
As I said we were a mess. Warnock was absolute class in the Championship and built a great side most of whom we should have kept. Arry will do ok and I would not be surprised if we came straight back. Fernandes and the Mittals have cash to burn but will be careful second time around.
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Post by gibby1409 on May 30, 2013 14:55:44 GMT
Afternoon all, Let me start by saying I have watched QPR for over 40yrs (and yes that takes some doing)! I also have a grudging respect for the way your club has been run over the past 6-8 yrs (does not mean I like you) unlike our club, which has only just found some stability with Tony Fernandes even though we have been relegated. Whilst Tony Pullis may not have imposed an eye-catching football style at Stoke City, he did discover a way to win matches and for many teams, a visit to you lot is not the most comfortable of afternoons. You have been a comfortable mid-table team, reached a cup final and have a great team ethic and spirit. I concede you are no Barcelona and that Tony Pullis had run his time, but what on earth has possessed your board to appoint Mark Hughes? Xmas has come early to the QPR board as Hughes was probably still on the payroll (and he is not cheap) and I know that I speak for the vast majority of R's fans when I say we are "over the moon"! I was one of the many who welcomed his initial appointment at QPR, but it did not take long for the reality to set in. He simply does not have a clue. Not a single one of his high-profile (and expensive) signings worked at R's. He could not make his mind up on a system or formation, he made awful team selections, he alienated some of the crowd favourates and took us a run this seasom where we did not win any of our opening 17 matches! We were already relegated when Arry came in. Be prepared for some landmark signings (all of whom will be on the recommendation of his agent) and all of whom will fail to settle. I hear Hoillett may be on his way to you. Let me tell you he is awful (4 goals this season) but I speak for all R's fans when I say we will pay his train fare to Stoke. Now, if you had said you wanted Mackie; that I could understand. Hughes says he kept us up the season before but that is a lie. You lot kept us up by beating Bolton. It will be interesting to see how Mark Hughes gets on, but I would put money on it that he will be out of your club by November. Some interesting points mate! I think the fundamental difference between QPR & Stoke, is that we have a chairman in place who will not allow his club to put at risk. It seemed to me, and I'm sure many others that QPR (Especially the chairman) felt they could just keep chucking money at potential solutions with no regard for the consequences. Hughesy as come out today, and said he learned a lot from the QPR experience, and this could be making reference to the "Cash is the Solution" dilemma. Harry didn't actually make much of a fist of it either to be fair? I know he inherited some players, but he's the ace wheeler dealer, and I think many people expected QPR to get of jail, when in fact, you slipped further behind? All interesting opinions on MH, and ultimately history will judge, but I've gone from being slightly sceptical, to feeling very positive, so come on, lets have it!  |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 30, 2013 14:57:07 GMT
I'll bet you that he'll still be here in December.
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Post by siggy on May 30, 2013 14:58:32 GMT
As I said we were a mess. Warnock was absolute class in the Championship and built a great side most of whom we should have kept. Arry will do ok and I would not be surprised if we came straight back. Fernandes and the Mittals have cash to burn but will be careful second time around. Second time around ??? Oh you mean the Prem - better hope you have more luck with that rather than their choice of managers. I can't see Arry being around too much longer there jis ego is a bit big for the Championship |
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Post by padula on May 30, 2013 15:01:27 GMT
I just do not understand how you can feel positive. Hughes is a car crash waiting to happen. Even though Arry took on a sinking ship we actually won a game and he had us playing some good stuff. Either way Hughes got us relegated by being stubborn in his team selection and set-up. I stick with my prediction that you lot will have him out by November.
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Post by gibby1409 on May 30, 2013 15:03:23 GMT
I just do not understand how you can feel positive. Hughes is a car crash waiting to happen. Even though Arry took on a sinking ship we actually won a game and he had us playing some good stuff. Either way Hughes got us relegated by being stubborn in his team selection and set-up. I stick with my prediction that you lot will have him out by November. We might be bringing Harry in |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 30, 2013 15:03:52 GMT
See you at the end of November then. You know where to find us.
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Post by padula on May 30, 2013 15:04:26 GMT
He wont move outside of the M25!
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Post by redsaturday on May 30, 2013 15:07:50 GMT
Afternoon all, Let me start by saying I have watched QPR for over 40yrs (and yes that takes some doing)! I also have a grudging respect for the way your club has been run over the past 6-8 yrs (does not mean I like you) unlike our club, which has only just found some stability with Tony Fernandes even though we have been relegated. Whilst Tony Pullis may not have imposed an eye-catching football style at Stoke City, he did discover a way to win matches and for many teams, a visit to you lot is not the most comfortable of afternoons. You have been a comfortable mid-table team, reached a cup final and have a great team ethic and spirit. I concede you are no Barcelona and that Tony Pullis had run his time, but what on earth has possessed your board to appoint Mark Hughes? Xmas has come early to the QPR board as Hughes was probably still on the payroll (and he is not cheap) and I know that I speak for the vast majority of R's fans when I say we are "over the moon"! I was one of the many who welcomed his initial appointment at QPR, but it did not take long for the reality to set in. He simply does not have a clue. Not a single one of his high-profile (and expensive) signings worked at R's. He could not make his mind up on a system or formation, he made awful team selections, he alienated some of the crowd favourates and took us a run this seasom where we did not win any of our opening 17 matches! We were already relegated when Arry came in. Be prepared for some landmark signings (all of whom will be on the recommendation of his agent) and all of whom will fail to settle. I hear Hoillett may be on his way to you. Let me tell you he is awful (4 goals this season) but I speak for all R's fans when I say we will pay his train fare to Stoke. Now, if you had said you wanted Mackie; that I could understand. Hughes says he kept us up the season before but that is a lie. You lot kept us up by beating Bolton. It will be interesting to see how Mark Hughes gets on, but I would put money on it that he will be out of your club by November. Fucking hell youth you must have a bad back carrying that massive chip round. |
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2013 15:09:32 GMT
He was obviously experimenting at QPR in readiness to manage The Mighty Potters and has learned from his time there what NOT to do. He will be hitting the ground sprinting to the top 6 at Stoke! If not bring back TP.
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 30, 2013 15:11:17 GMT
Thanks for the insight mate - guessing it is tinged with a degree of resentment bearing in mind what happened to your lot. I am a declared sceptic and would have preferred Martinez, but the decision has been made and we will go with that & see what happens.
I think he'll be on a shorter leash here and subject to more exec control, which is maybe something he would welcome ie a shared, collaborative financial responsibility rather than an open chequebook.
So all in all I hope you are wrong with your p[rognosis. All the best for next season.
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Post by siggy on May 30, 2013 15:12:09 GMT
How can we not be positive, QPR was a blip for Hughes, Harry had plenty of time to save you and it was your players that let you down
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Post by mikeyc on May 30, 2013 15:12:51 GMT
Fernandes and the Mittals have cash to burn but will be careful second time around. Isn't that what Harry said when he came in - no more big-money signings! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2013 15:13:49 GMT
Fernandes and the Mittals have cash to burn but will be careful second time around. Isn't that what Harry said when he came in - no more big-money signings! 'Arry is untouchable, it's never his fault. I can't stand the bloke. |
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Post by chamberlain on May 30, 2013 15:14:47 GMT
Firstly other teams cannot keep you up its the points that you gain that does that ,also something must have happened at QPR for Hoillet to be awful because he looked a great player at Blackburn
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 15:24:13 GMT
This seems to be a very one sided view without any balance at all. Nobody will deny that you had an absolute stinker to the start of the season. Hughes in charge of 14 games, getting you just 5 points. To an extent, yes, you were already relegated by the time Arry took over. BUT, let's have some perspective over the job that Arry himself did shall we? In his 24 games, despite having a full January transfer window and a few extra signings, you only got 20 points. Pro rata'd over a full season, that comes to 31/32 points, so you'd have still comfortably have been relegated. When Hughes left, you were 8 points from the team in 17th. By the end of the season, you were 14 points off. So its not exactly like you even made ANY ground what-so-ever in to your survival chances. You still only won 4 out of his 24 games.
So yes, you may have already been relegated by the time Hughes left, but Old Twitcher did absolutely nothing at all to give you a chance, no turnaround, no boost and seems to have got off completely free from blame!
Let's also look at the season before too - for which you give no credit at all to Hughes for, saying that it was us that kept you up. You say yourself that you should have kept the the 'great side' that got you up from the Championship. Well, Warnock got you to 17 points from 20 games. Pro-rata'd over a full season, this would have got 32/33 points and guess what...relegated. Hughes came in and got you 20 points from 18 games (42 over a full season).
So looking at the actual facts and the points, games etc, I conclude:
1. Hughes did indeed keep you up in the first season;
2. Hughes did indeed have a shocker brainfart to the first 14 games last season; but
3. Twitcher did nothing to give you a chance of staying up either;
Finally, pre-Hughes 2012 and post-Hughes 2013, you mustered together a whopping 37 points from 44 games (32 pro-rata'd to 1 season). Doesn't exactly support the view that Hughes is the devil and Warnock/Harry were fantastic. And to also say that you've got stability under Fernandes!!?? What the fook?? I'm guessing that was his latest twitter claim yes?
I like other fans coming on and giving opinions and stuff, but you'd at least hope they'd be a balanced reflection
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Post by nik80 on May 30, 2013 15:29:14 GMT
Afternoon all, Let me start by saying I have watched QPR for over 40yrs (and yes that takes some doing)! I also have a grudging respect for the way your club has been run over the past 6-8 yrs (does not mean I like you) unlike our club, which has only just found some stability with Tony Fernandes even though we have been relegated. Whilst Tony Pullis may not have imposed an eye-catching football style at Stoke City, he did discover a way to win matches and for many teams, a visit to you lot is not the most comfortable of afternoons. You have been a comfortable mid-table team, reached a cup final and have a great team ethic and spirit. I concede you are no Barcelona and that Tony Pullis had run his time, but what on earth has possessed your board to appoint Mark Hughes? Xmas has come early to the QPR board as Hughes was probably still on the payroll (and he is not cheap) and I know that I speak for the vast majority of R's fans when I say we are "over the moon"! I was one of the many who welcomed his initial appointment at QPR, but it did not take long for the reality to set in. He simply does not have a clue. Not a single one of his high-profile (and expensive) signings worked at R's. He could not make his mind up on a system or formation, he made awful team selections, he alienated some of the crowd favourates and took us a run this seasom where we did not win any of our opening 17 matches! We were already relegated when Arry came in. Be prepared for some landmark signings (all of whom will be on the recommendation of his agent) and all of whom will fail to settle. I hear Hoillett may be on his way to you. Let me tell you he is awful (4 goals this season) but I speak for all R's fans when I say we will pay his train fare to Stoke. Now, if you had said you wanted Mackie; that I could understand. Hughes says he kept us up the season before but that is a lie. You lot kept us up by beating Bolton. It will be interesting to see how Mark Hughes gets on, but I would put money on it that he will be out of your club by November. Cheers for that mate, I appreciate the time you've spent to write your appraisal of Mark Hughes. Yet whilst you might know all there is to know about the man and what he did at QPR the fact us you, like the rest of us have no idea what he's gonna be like at Stoke City. The fact is Stoke and QPR are two very different clubs, ran in very different ways, from what I've seen of QPR over the previous four years or so you've had little organisation and regulation handed down from the top. I'm sure I don't need to tell you, with forty years of watching pleasure that managers like players can be fantastic for one club and poor for another; you could take Mikew Sheron for example I suppose. It's a culmination of variables which come together to make a football club successful, now I'm not saying I'm not without reservation at the appointment of Mark Hughes but I think it would be very short sighted for Stoke supporters to simply look at Hughes' record at Rangers to analyse what we can expect at Stoke  |
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Post by jonnybravo on May 30, 2013 15:30:31 GMT
Padula you might not like Hughes alot don't but I've always wanted know how QPR fans felt about Fernandez buying players instead of letting Hughes and redknapp do it,because redknapp said in January that the chairman went out and bought samba and do you think that's one of the reasons for your relegation?
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Post by stokeramblers on May 30, 2013 15:30:37 GMT
This seems to be a very one sided view without any balance at all. Nobody will deny that you had an absolute stinker to the start of the season. Hughes in charge of 14 games, getting you just 5 points. To an extent, yes, you were already relegated by the time Arry took over. BUT, let's have some perspective over the job that Arry himself did shall we? In his 24 games, despite having a full January transfer window and a few extra signings, you only got 20 points. Pro rata'd over a full season, that comes to 31/32 points, so you'd have still comfortably have been relegated. When Hughes left, you were 8 points from the team in 17th. By the end of the season, you were 14 points off. So its not exactly like you even made ANY ground what-so-ever in to your survival chances. You still only won 4 out of his 24 games. So yes, you may have already been relegated by the time Hughes left, but Old Twitcher did absolutely nothing at all to give you a chance, no turnaround, no boost and seems to have got off completely free from blame! Let's also look at the season before too - for which you give no credit at all to Hughes for, saying that it was us that kept you up. You say yourself that you should have kept the the 'great side' that got you up from the Championship. Well, Warnock got you to 17 points from 20 games. Pro-rata'd over a full season, this would have got 32/33 points and guess what...relegated. Hughes came in and got you 20 points from 18 games (42 over a full season). So looking at the actual facts and the points, games etc, I conclude: 1. Hughes did indeed keep you up in the first season; 2. Hughes did indeed have a shocker brainfart to the first 14 games last season; but 3. Twitcher did nothing to give you a chance of staying up either; Finally, pre-Hughes 2012 and post-Hughes 2013, you mustered together a whopping 37 points from 44 games (32 pro-rata'd to 1 season). Doesn't exactly support the view that Hughes is the devil and Warnock/Harry were fantastic. And to also say that you've got stability under Fernandes!!?? What the fook?? I'm guessing that was his latest twitter claim yes? I like other fans coming on and giving opinions and stuff, but you'd at least hope they'd be a balanced reflection As the kids say.... 'BOOM' |
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Post by Kjones9 on May 30, 2013 15:33:33 GMT
When we played qpr at home I thought they were the better side under Hughes and probably should've won the game, in the game at lofts road qpr were the poorest team I've seen in a good while.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 15:35:30 GMT
To be fair, a trained monkey could run a football club better than that clown you have. Talk about lack of ideas.
Throws money around, paying huge wages and wonders why it fell on it's arse.
Didn't he bring in Samba for 'Arry and pay him 90k a week? 90k a week for Samba, you deserved to fail for stupidity reasons alone.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 15:36:07 GMT
When we played qpr at home I thought they were the better side under Hughes and probably should've won the game, in the game at lofts road qpr were the poorest team I've seen in a good while. Lets be honest having to play in that shit tip of a stadium would cause anyone to play badly.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 15:37:00 GMT
When we played qpr at home I thought they were the better side under Hughes and probably should've won the game, in the game at lofts road qpr were the poorest team I've seen in a good while. Ah the game at the Brit was obviously a Warnock aftershock and the game at Loftus Road a Mark Hughes aftershock. Couldnt have been coz of Faultless Arry |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2013 15:42:24 GMT
QPR's problem at the Brit was that cunt Taraabt. If he was the player he thinks he is they would have been 2 nil up at half time.
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Post by Vestan Pance on May 30, 2013 16:18:55 GMT
I am genuinely unsure as to what anyone could have done to save qpr. The club has an interfering board, a squad that either earns £90 grand a week (samba) or doesn't (hill) and in the end little to be proud of during its premier league campaigns. I would be quite happy to see hoilett at stoke, away from London and refocused on his football he could do a job here.
In his presser Hughes did not shy away from his failure and his desire to make amends. A club like stoke, well run, fiscally stable (forget your agent idea, we have one) & non attention seeking is a better fit for him, and i anticipate he will do well here
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 30, 2013 16:33:37 GMT
I am genuinely unsure as to what anyone could have done to save qpr. The club has an interfering board, a squad that either earns £90 grand a week (samba) or doesn't (hill) and in the end little to be proud of during its premier league campaigns. I would be quite happy to see hoilett at stoke, away from London and refocused on his football he could do a job here. In his presser Hughes did not shy away from his failure and his desire to make amends. A club like stoke, well run, fiscally stable (forget your agent idea, we have one) & non attention seeking is a better fit for him, and i anticipate he will do well here it's a big plus that he can't afford another fuck up as much as we can't |
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