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Post by miggo on May 22, 2013 21:40:20 GMT
Exactly? What a load of shit. RDM, Martinez and Poyet all arguably did decent jobs at their last/current club. Hughes was abysmal. We are looking to move in a new direction with a more forward thinking approach. Surely we should judge the candidates on their most recent performances? RDM - sacked Martinez - relegated Poyet - behaving horrendously Like I said, if we judge solely on their last jobs who will we get? How did Poyet behave horrendously from what I gather someone shit all over the opposition dressing room and he asked someone to step forward as this damaged the reputation of the club, he acted exactly as a manager should of and his suspension is scandalous do the Brighton board accept the behaviour of someone within the club who did this?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 22, 2013 21:43:23 GMT
The point is though that you could argue that all of them have things that would make you question their appointment.
I don't think Hughes is any worse than any of them (and probably better than a couple of them).
He has good experience and has (by his league finishes) a good record.
I do wonder that if he hadn't been succeeded by media darling, 'Arry he wouldn't be getting as much stick.
Surely floppy chops needs to take his share of the blame as well?
I'm not even championing Hughes but I just think we are kidding ourselves if we think we can get much better than a candidate like him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 22, 2013 21:44:55 GMT
RDM - sacked Martinez - relegated Poyet - behaving horrendously Like I said, if we judge solely on their last jobs who will we get? How did Poyet behave horrendously from what I gather someone shit all over the opposition dressing room and he asked someone to step forward as this damaged the reputation of the club, he acted exactly as a manager should of and his suspension is scandalous do the Brighton board accept the behaviour of someone within the club who did this? That's not why he's suspended mate. He told his players that he probably wouldn't be there next season and has been trying to engineer a move away as soon as the final whistle blew against Palace. Edit: And I wouldn't mind, Poyet by the way.
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Post by miggo on May 22, 2013 21:59:14 GMT
How did Poyet behave horrendously from what I gather someone shit all over the opposition dressing room and he asked someone to step forward as this damaged the reputation of the club, he acted exactly as a manager should of and his suspension is scandalous do the Brighton board accept the behaviour of someone within the club who did this? That's not why he's suspended mate. He told his players that he probably wouldn't be there next season and has been trying to engineer a move away as soon as the final whistle blew against Palace. Edit: And I wouldn't mind, Poyet by the way. Ah ok fair play, I'm not sure on anyone this is more torturous than TP's football
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Post by MrMagic on May 22, 2013 22:05:53 GMT
How did Poyet behave horrendously from what I gather someone shit all over the opposition dressing room and he asked someone to step forward as this damaged the reputation of the club, he acted exactly as a manager should of and his suspension is scandalous do the Brighton board accept the behaviour of someone within the club who did this? That's not why he's suspended mate. He told his players that he probably wouldn't be there next season and has been trying to engineer a move away as soon as the final whistle blew against Palace. Edit: And I wouldn't mind, Poyet by the way. We've had a manager before who engineered his own sacking so I'm baffled as to why so many people who loved him think that Poyet is despicable hmmmm
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Post by snazzer on May 22, 2013 22:06:43 GMT
A mate of mine plays hockey with Hughes' daughter, who apparently knows nothing of the Stoke link.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 22, 2013 22:07:14 GMT
That's not why he's suspended mate. He told his players that he probably wouldn't be there next season and has been trying to engineer a move away as soon as the final whistle blew against Palace. Edit: And I wouldn't mind, Poyet by the way. We've had a manager before who engineered his own sacking so I'm baffled as to why so many people who loved him think that Poyet is despicable hmmmm I wanted Tone to be removed and think Poyet has acted badly. Is that allowed?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 22, 2013 22:09:13 GMT
A mate of mine plays hockey with Hughes' daughter, who apparently knows nothing of the Stoke link. I don't think there is any link, mate. Just as there isn't with anyone else. Still can't see past it being RDM, personally.
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Post by MrMagic on May 22, 2013 22:10:42 GMT
We've had a manager before who engineered his own sacking so I'm baffled as to why so many people who loved him think that Poyet is despicable hmmmm I wanted Tone to be removed and think Poyet has acted badly. Is that allowed? Not at all - at least your moral code is consistent Edit - of purse it is. Anyway everything is allowed - it's a message board
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 22, 2013 22:25:24 GMT
I wanted Tone to be removed and think Poyet has acted badly. Is that allowed? Not at all - at least your moral code is consistent Edit - of purse it is. Anyway everything is allowed - it's a message board
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Post by miggo on May 22, 2013 22:53:20 GMT
A mate of mine plays hockey with Hughes' daughter, who apparently knows nothing of the Stoke link. Its great how suddenly everyone has a connection to mark Hughes I mean no disrespect or anything but the amount of people who have come out with a connection is unreal as I'm pretty sure I've heard so my mate works for Mark Hughes as a Gardner, a cleaner, an electrician, a plumber, and so on and every story ends with and he saw Peter Coates round his house either sparky employs half of stoke on Trent who all go to work for him at his house that's not In Stoke on Trent or somebody's trying to break the world record on a game of Chinese whispers
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Post by Pugsley on May 22, 2013 22:56:29 GMT
See my above post. Ask Bristol City fans about Tone. All managers (or ones that wouldn't come here) have a poor club (or two) on their CV's. If we rule out everyone who hasn't had a bad spell we will be going into the new season with a rookie or Dave Kemp in charge!!! A bad spell on the record is understandable but not if it's your last job. We are a good number for someone. We don't have to take someone who has drastically failed in their last job. If a manager had a bad spell somewhere, dropped down a league, proved himself again and was doing a good job in his new position then maybe. If he has just had an absolute catastrophe of a job, we should not be jumping in and offering him a promotion to replace a manager who out performed him last season. No no no Hughes please fucking no. Please explain how Pulis's last two jobs ended prior to joining Stoke (first time)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 22:58:10 GMT
hughes is the bookies favourite.
lets face it, it's going to be hughes. i can feel it in my bones.
uuuugh
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Post by Sammz on May 23, 2013 0:55:04 GMT
Regardless of Hughes' track record (which is wank) I think the vast majority of Stokies will be gutted if it turns out to be him!
Personally I have a real dislike for the ex manshitster striker & would chose Tony every fucking day of the week over this arrogant charmless twat!!
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Post by FullerMagic on May 23, 2013 7:01:16 GMT
SentinelMark Hughes is thought to have admirers high up at Stoke, but speculation about Roberto Martinez continues to intensify, particularly now he is considering his future at Wigan.
(Wonder if this is referring to Peter himself? - but with the younger decision-makers preferring someone else?) SentinelMark Hughes would not be a popular choice with the supporters
SentinelEarle:I'm tipping Hughes
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 23, 2013 7:09:06 GMT
I would be well chuffed with Mark Hughes to be honest and would have him at no.2 in my pecking order for replacements to Pulis.
He has taken unfashionable clubs into the top half of the Premier League, did a great job with Wales, solid job with Fulham and an excellent job at Blackburn where they won a cup and finished as high as 6th.
He has an eye for a player (Bentley, Samba, Santa Cruz, Hart, Kompany, Dembele to name a few) and aside from QPR he has done a good job everywhere he's been. Even at Man City, he was sacked having lost only 1 game up to Christmas despite having Robinho and allegedly others, foisted upon him.
Even at QPR, where he failed, did he really spend that much? They spent fortunes on wages on a lot of free transfers but aside from Zamora and the money on Park Ji Sung from Manure, did he really spend that much? Redknapp spent more on two players in January than Hughes spent yet did a worse job.
If we get Mark Hughes I will be happy but would ask only one thing of him....I would ask that he remembered how he played the game himself and then set about managing in the same mould that he was as a player. Do that, and we could be a match made in heaven.
The only problem with Mark Hughes is that he has appeared to be a whinging twat in our encounters with him but if he ditched that, as I say above, he could be perfect. Produce a team in the mould of himself as a player. Hard, aggressive, give and take, abrasive and above all, a winner.
Mark Hughes would do for me if we can't secure the dream appointment of Rafa Benitez who has definitely been sounded out about the job.
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Post by jonnybravo on May 23, 2013 7:10:16 GMT
Look at Hughes record at Blackburn got then 6th and into Europe into cup finals did the same at Fulham wasn't given time at city everybody would of failed at QPR like Harry did,people who are saying his record is abysmal you really haven't looked at his record and don't know what your talking about,I'd rather have Hughes that di matteo,but unless Coates goes abroad there the best 2 for the job really Martinez won't come stoke and there both better than pulis
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Post by Pugsley on May 23, 2013 7:10:54 GMT
A bad spell on the record is understandable but not if it's your last job. We are a good number for someone. We don't have to take someone who has drastically failed in their last job. If a manager had a bad spell somewhere, dropped down a league, proved himself again and was doing a good job in his new position then maybe. If he has just had an absolute catastrophe of a job, we should not be jumping in and offering him a promotion to replace a manager who out performed him last season. No no no Hughes please fucking no. Please explain how Pulis's last two jobs ended prior to joining Stoke (first time) As usual questions like this are never answered.
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Post by serpico on May 23, 2013 7:20:55 GMT
I'm officially endorsing Hughes for the job Outside of rafa the other candidates don't convince me one bit, although Poyet might be an interesting choice given he does seem to know how to organise a defence, but Hughes has experience at clubs of similar size, his record is good at Blackburn and fulham. He might be a good manager to make a slower transition to more progressive football, someone like MArtinez would have to gut the squad and start from scratch if he wanted to radically change our style of play, we don't have the players to play like Wigan . I think Hughes would be the responsible choice.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on May 23, 2013 7:23:50 GMT
Please explain how Pulis's last two jobs ended prior to joining Stoke (first time) As usual questions like this are never answered. I haven't answered you because I generally ignore all of your posts Pugsley. I would only be banging my head against a brick wall. Hope that helps. If part of the main criteria we are looking for is young and vibrant, we are steering out of bounds with mark fucking Hughes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2013 7:26:05 GMT
SentinelMark Hughes is thought to have admirers high up at Stoke, but speculation about Roberto Martinez continues to intensify, particularly now he is considering his future at Wigan.
(Wonder if this is referring to Peter himself? - but with the younger decision-makers preferring someone else?) SentinelMark Hughes would not be a popular choice with the supporters
SentinelEarle:I'm tipping Hughes Interesting article about the 2 scouts being hired I'm sure I read somewhere that they're from Wigan which is good news. We're defo goiing in the right direction. Exciting times ahead I think.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on May 23, 2013 7:26:25 GMT
I just don't get the vitriol with Hughes done excellent jobs wherever he has been apart from qpr who were poorly run. There are loads of excellent candidates out there.
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 23, 2013 7:27:58 GMT
I reckon Rafa is the outstanding candidate but seems highly unlikely.
Given the board are looking for a young and exciting manager, surely that points to Martinez should he not go in for the Everton job?.
I'd be up for Martinez coming here as I feel we have a decent enough defence to try and improve his somewhat managerial defensive record, which obviously isn't the best.
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Post by Ellan Vannin on May 23, 2013 7:31:20 GMT
Look at Hughes record at Blackburn got then 6th and into Europe into cup finals did the same at Fulham wasn't given time at city everybody would of failed at QPR like Harry did,people who are saying his record is abysmal you really haven't looked at his record and don't know what your talking about,I'd rather have Hughes that di matteo,but unless Coates goes abroad there the best 2 for the job really Martinez won't come stoke and there both better than pulis This - Not a huge Mark Hughes fan as a person, but look at the facts and you can't say his record is wank! Did an excellent job at Blackburn, did ok at Man City and easily guided Fulham to mid table. Also did relatively well with Wales. (Look at what other recent Wales managers have done!) The one black spot is QPR. But who knows what was going on there it was a mess top to bottom and probably very little of the blame lay with the manager.
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Post by metalhead on May 24, 2013 11:17:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 11:20:37 GMT
Let the panic commence.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 11:29:12 GMT
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Post by dan55 on May 24, 2013 11:31:18 GMT
Thing is Hughes was sacked from man city, one of the richest clubs in the world. So what's he gonna do at Stoke?? Martinez would be good.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 11:49:03 GMT
So he's secured 4 Top 10 PL finishes (3 with Blackburn and 1 with Fulham)
The most points we've ever finished on is 47. He managed 52, 58 and 63 at Blackburn.
He took Wales to the brink of qualification to the Euros (lost in a play-off against Russia). The closest Wales have come for decades.
He signed the likes of Samba (400k), Nelsen (free), Bentley (500k), Santa Cruz (£3.5m), Dembele, Kompany and Zabaleta.
Is this all correct? (I'm looking at you FM)
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 24, 2013 11:50:00 GMT
Don't forget Joe Hart for 500k
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