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Post by Nick1984 on May 21, 2013 17:16:59 GMT
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Post by manchesterpotter on May 21, 2013 18:59:57 GMT
Nothing too exciting to get about with this reveal.
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Post by Nick1984 on May 21, 2013 19:30:52 GMT
Yeah didn't seem that impressive compared to PS4, not liking the idea of having to pay to play second-hand games.
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Post by vintagestein on May 21, 2013 21:08:38 GMT
TBH - Having watched both reveals from Sony and Microsoft, Xbox One was terrible.
The first 30 mins of Ps4 was killer games - Microsoft was the Cable TV that they are pushing, complete BS.
I am a gamer, i want killer games, I have Sky to watch TV, ipods and DAB to listen to music and a laptop / tablet for surfing the net.
I have both the PS3 and 360 and concider my self to be a whore to both, but Microsoft have really dropped the baton with this. Forgetting where they come from and what made 360 so special (ease of multiplayer and social gaming).
PS4 for me.
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Post by stokeyouth on May 21, 2013 23:29:53 GMT
But vintagestein, these are the console releases. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sony use up all their weapons on release day, killer games etc like you said. Microsoft played a very clever game and teased. They showed 0 gameplay, just animations and gave tech-info with no games.
Now when E3 arrives next month, which is where BOTH consoles will be side by side battling, Sony will be either talking about their tech, or repeating themselves with ganeplay.Meanwhile Microsoft will blow them out of the way with FIFA, COD all the other EA Games and Forza gameplay.
If you watched the PS4 release you thought that was amazing. If you saw the Xbox One you thought that was amazing, but when you see them side by side at E3, the Xbox will destroy it
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Post by StokieBoy31 on May 22, 2013 0:40:29 GMT
I'll make my judgment after E3.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 22, 2013 2:28:07 GMT
But vintagestein, these are the console releases. Nothing more, nothing less. Sony use up all their weapons on release day, killer games etc like you said. Microsoft played a very clever game and teased. They showed 0 gameplay, just animations and gave tech-info with no games. Now when E3 arrives next month, which is where BOTH consoles will be side by side battling, Sony will be either talking about their tech, or repeating themselves with ganeplay.Meanwhile Microsoft will blow them out of the way with FIFA, COD all the other EA Games and Forza gameplay. If you watched the PS4 release you thought that was amazing. If you saw the Xbox One you thought that was amazing, but when you see them side by side at E3, the Xbox will destroy it Of course though, everyone watching Xbox One at E3 will probably be charged for the privilege, seeing as though they didn't buy the game originally. |
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Post by kingstokie on May 22, 2013 10:25:44 GMT
I'll make my judgment after E3. This. |
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 22, 2013 12:31:04 GMT
I thought the Xbox One looks amazing. I love the serious, understated look of the hardware and know it will look the bollocks under my telly.
As a hard core gamer I'm not that bothered that they didn't focus too much on the games side for the launch, as many have said, the meat of the gaming experience will be shown at E3.
I see the "media" capabilities of the One as a bonus - and as bonus's go it's all looking good.
I'm sure the One will do the business for gaming, mainly because of the 16x increase in the RAM (graphics are cool, but give me gameplay over graphics anyday) That said, I've no doubt the games available at launch will make your eyes bleed.
300,000 dedicated servers as well baby!
I'm also intrigued by the haptic feedback in the controller triggers!
All looking great to me so far.
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Post by DannyStokie on May 22, 2013 12:36:23 GMT
PS4 for me, always Sony.
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 22, 2013 13:05:46 GMT
Erm, thanks for the input. |
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Post by DannyStokie on May 22, 2013 14:19:32 GMT
erm, what else is there too say?
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Post by Nick1984 on May 22, 2013 15:18:35 GMT
Been loyal to Microsoft the past 2 generations but MS seem to be turning into Sony and vice-versa, PS4 has alot more going for it in terms of gaming compared to Xbox One, which is more of a media hub. |
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 22, 2013 15:59:26 GMT
Out of interest, what specific points do you feel will give the PS4 the edge for gaming?
not looking to argue, looking to learn something.
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Post by Nick1984 on May 22, 2013 16:22:57 GMT
Out of interest, what specific points do you feel will give the PS4 the edge for gaming? not looking to argue, looking to learn something. - More powerful - Plays pre-owned games - Works offline - Indie devs can publish their own games - Can stream games |
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Post by stokelad on May 22, 2013 16:44:55 GMT
I think Xbox will outshine the ps4 at E3 , from I ssw yesterday its already win me over.
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 22, 2013 17:27:01 GMT
Out of interest, what specific points do you feel will give the PS4 the edge for gaming? not looking to argue, looking to learn something. - More powerful - Plays pre-owned games - Works offline - Indie devs can publish their own games - Can stream games While the PS4's processor is running at 2Ghz as opposed to 1.6 in the One and has DDR5 Ram As opposed to DDR3, it's too early to say that one system will kill the other in pure gaming performance. The One is based on a windows kernel and so doesn't need a programming bridge in between the consoles OS / hardware and game software like the PS4 does. Also DDR3 has lower latency than DDR5 and the One also uses 32Mb of dedicated Sdram for graphics. I'd expect the PS4 to still have a very slight edge, although I expect the difference to be negligible in practice. For programmers, the PC and One versions will be the same game but the PS4 will still need to "port" PC games. You can play pre-owned games on the One. If Microsoft decides to charge a licence (say £5) to play a used game, I expect the price of used games will drop accordingly to take this into account. In other words, used games will get worth slightly less to balance the overall cost of "used gaming". It will be a pain not being able to borrow a mates game, but in the future (say five years time) optical storage as a medium for game distribution will be gone anyway as it will be all downloads (and how do you borrow a download?). If you need to be connected to the webs to play a game, how hard is that? Do you know anyone who will own a next gen console who doesn't have an internet connection? Anyone at all? Latest info seems to be that the One will check in once every 24 hours for validation purposes and I can live with that. If you buy a next gen console and just use it for games, you will be paying £400 and only getting £300's worth. Indie devs can and do publish their own games on XBLA (I own a few) and this will be the same with the One. I can stream games now on my 360 and don't doubt you will be able to do so on the One, but TBH is the average gamer ever going to do so? Where is the audience to watch a livesteam of some random bloke playing a game? I was a PC gamer for over 20 years and only bought a 360 because that's what all my mates had got. If they had PS3's then Id be buying a PS4 for Christmas! If I thought the PS4 was going to offer something that genuinely couldn't be matched then I'd get one. As it is I'll get a One 'cos the gaming experience will basically be the same. Cheers, |
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Post by stokeyouth on May 22, 2013 17:29:22 GMT
After E3 80% of people will be saying Xbox wins.
Wait til then
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 22, 2013 17:32:45 GMT
I'm 46 so the "fanboy" thing has kinda passed me by. It does amuse me greatly however.
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Post by oxfordshirestokie on May 22, 2013 18:38:59 GMT
Looks alright,the name sound a wee bit daft because isn't it gonna be the 3 or 4 console from Microsoft? I'm a PlayStation fan but i'm getting annoyed now why do they tease us with silly trailers and release dates,hurry the fuck up already.PS4.
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Post by superstokie23 on May 23, 2013 0:35:24 GMT
I think Xbox will outshine the ps4 at E3 , from I ssw yesterday its already win me over. We'll see if it wins you over when your internet is down and you can't play games |
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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 0:40:49 GMT
I think Xbox will outshine the ps4 at E3 , from I ssw yesterday its already win me over. We'll see if it wins you over when your internet is down and you can't play games You've hit the nail on the head, this is the reason I will NEVER buy it because this is such a stupid concept is its unreal. Connect o the internet every 24 hours, yeah, right...... |
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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 1:05:43 GMT
And too say that it has won you over is astonishing, one of the most commercial, restricted consoles in the world, how can it possibly win you over?
Go look around, see what the Internet is saying, Microdoft are moving the Xbox away from what it is, a gaming console.
The only true gaming machine is a PC anyway, that will always be the case, even more so in today's markets.
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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 1:35:56 GMT
I can't edit posts on this bloody forum!
Anyway, the one thing that really bugs me is, kinnect hAs to be in at all times, now that is creepy and will make the console pricey I imagine as well
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 23, 2013 11:28:37 GMT
And too say that it has won you over is astonishing, one of the most commercial, restricted consoles in the world, how can it possibly win you over? Go look around, see what the Internet is saying, Microdoft are moving the Xbox away from what it is, a gaming console. The only true gaming machine is a PC anyway, that will always be the case, even more so in today's markets. Sigh. I'm not convinced that me saying I'm looking forward to owning a One is "astonishing" It's a gaming and media console that sits under my telly, not the Nazi Party or a man eating crocodile. I'll buy a One and love it and you'll buy a PS4 and love that too. Everyone wins. I couldn't care less what the internet thinks about either console, because most of the people on it are fucking idiots. The tech press are no better - I liken it to Top Gear who review the latest Porsche 911 by chucking it round a track, tyres screaming and then say at the end its "disappointing" The average person on the street would get into the same car and go "this car is fucking amazeballs" The new consoles will be our new 911's. We will will plug them in and they will amaze and delight us.- bring it on! This difference here though is that no one on "the Internet" or in the tech press has used either console, so it's all just bullshit, speculation, whining and fanboyism at the moment. Both the new consoles will be MILES better than their predecessors for gaming, and that is all that matters. You are right about the One moving away from being a pure gaming console. I welcome this move as I see the writing is on the wall for standalone consoles. The PS4 will connect and ineract online in ways the PS3 never did and you will find that both manufacturers will be pushing the media and social capabilities as much as possible, particularly as the lifetime of the console evolves. The One and PS4 will have to dominate the living room to survive and, believe me, both companies mean to survive and that means attracting a far wider audience than hardcore gamers. You might not like it (don't know the fuck why anyone should care as long as it plays games TBH) but that's the way it is. I'll be playing games mostly, but will be using loads of the extra stuff that's available for media use - why shouldn't I? It's not as though the extra media capabilities means it will play games less well. Don't forget however that Microsoft are saying the cloud will be an integral part of the gaming experience, with some actual processing power for the game you are playing at home (I'm thinking the new Destiny game from Bungie in particular) handled on the 130,000 servers powering xbox live. Now that's genuinely exciting - a real innovation. I'm sure lots of people will moan about that too - well fuck 'em. I don't know if the PS4 will have the same capability to do this and I don't care either way, because I won't be buying one. If it has - brilliant for PS4 owners, if it hasn't - *shrug* Microsoft have confirmed last night that you will be able to play games offline if your web connection goes down. Meh, thought as much all along - not a problem then. No one ever says "don't buy that tablet, because if your internet goes down you'll be knackered" even though web based use must account for AT LEAST 95% of the average person's useage on a tablet. After coming to the console market from PC's I'm used to the fact that it's a much more restricted environment. Goes with the territory I'm afraid. Costs more to be a console gamer month on month, but the hardware is so cheap compared to a PC gaming rig, you still save money. So chill out Danny - it's nice that you're concerned, but both consoles will be great and we will both be happy. Cheers |
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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 19:58:56 GMT
And too say that it has won you over is astonishing, one of the most commercial, restricted consoles in the world, how can it possibly win you over? Go look around, see what the Internet is saying, Microdoft are moving the Xbox away from what it is, a gaming console. The only true gaming machine is a PC anyway, that will always be the case, even more so in today's markets. Sigh. I'm not convinced that me saying I'm looking forward to owning a One is "astonishing" It's a gaming and media console that sits under my telly, not the Nazi Party or a man eating crocodile. I'll buy a One and love it and you'll buy a PS4 and love that too. Everyone wins. I couldn't care less what the internet thinks about either console, because most of the people on it are fucking idiots. The tech press are no better - I liken it to Top Gear who review the latest Porsche 911 by chucking it round a track, tyres screaming and then say at the end its "disappointing" The average person on the street would get into the same car and go "this car is fucking amazeballs" The new consoles will be our new 911's. We will will plug them in and they will amaze and delight us.- bring it on! This difference here though is that no one on "the Internet" or in the tech press has used either console, so it's all just bullshit, speculation, whining and fanboyism at the moment. Both the new consoles will be MILES better than their predecessors for gaming, and that is all that matters. You are right about the One moving away from being a pure gaming console. I welcome this move as I see the writing is on the wall for standalone consoles. The PS4 will connect and ineract online in ways the PS3 never did and you will find that both manufacturers will be pushing the media and social capabilities as much as possible, particularly as the lifetime of the console evolves. The One and PS4 will have to dominate the living room to survive and, believe me, both companies mean to survive and that means attracting a far wider audience than hardcore gamers. You might not like it (don't know the fuck why anyone should care as long as it plays games TBH) but that's the way it is. I'll be playing games mostly, but will be using loads of the extra stuff that's available for media use - why shouldn't I? It's not as though the extra media capabilities means it will play games less well. Don't forget however that Microsoft are saying the cloud will be an integral part of the gaming experience, with some actual processing power for the game you are playing at home (I'm thinking the new Destiny game from Bungie in particular) handled on the 130,000 servers powering xbox live. Now that's genuinely exciting - a real innovation. I'm sure lots of people will moan about that too - well fuck 'em. I don't know if the PS4 will have the same capability to do this and I don't care either way, because I won't be buying one. If it has - brilliant for PS4 owners, if it hasn't - *shrug* Microsoft have confirmed last night that you will be able to play games offline if your web connection goes down. Meh, thought as much all along - not a problem then. No one ever says "don't buy that tablet, because if your internet goes down you'll be knackered" even though web based use must account for AT LEAST 95% of the average person's useage on a tablet. After coming to the console market from PC's I'm used to the fact that it's a much more restricted environment. Goes with the territory I'm afraid. Costs more to be a console gamer month on month, but the hardware is so cheap compared to a PC gaming rig, you still save money. So chill out Danny - it's nice that you're concerned, but both consoles will be great and we will both be happy. Cheers I was talking about "stokelad", who said he made his decision based on Microsoft's piss poor presentation. Microsoft said after that you can play games offline but also said you need to connect to the internet every 24 hours, while that may not be a problem if you have internet, what if your internet was too go down with a problem at the exchange for a week?, it's just a stupid idea, no need for it. PS4 has the better Hardware, a better GPU and better RAM, although XBOBX'ers now seem to say this doesn't matter, which is funny because they loved it when the 360's was slightly better. It should of been called the KinectTVBox, I just don't buy into or care for anything the XBOX has to offfer,the presentation was awful and they frankly have let xbox fan boys down IMO. I still prefer PC's, you can buy a budget gaming PC for the same price as the xbox or ps4 is likely to cost £400 ish. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 20:30:32 GMT
Also how do you know the PS4 has better hardware neither have given any exact details.
Only thing we know is the ps4 uses ddr5 ram which is fast bit has a higher latency than ddr3. We don't know what the Xbox has in it, people are presuming ddr3.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 20:31:28 GMT
Also a £400 budget PC would not compete.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 20:38:29 GMT
Sigh. I'm not convinced that me saying I'm looking forward to owning a One is "astonishing" It's a gaming and media console that sits under my telly, not the Nazi Party or a man eating crocodile. I'll buy a One and love it and you'll buy a PS4 and love that too. Everyone wins. I couldn't care less what the internet thinks about either console, because most of the people on it are fucking idiots. The tech press are no better - I liken it to Top Gear who review the latest Porsche 911 by chucking it round a track, tyres screaming and then say at the end its "disappointing" The average person on the street would get into the same car and go "this car is fucking amazeballs" The new consoles will be our new 911's. We will will plug them in and they will amaze and delight us.- bring it on! This difference here though is that no one on "the Internet" or in the tech press has used either console, so it's all just bullshit, speculation, whining and fanboyism at the moment. Both the new consoles will be MILES better than their predecessors for gaming, and that is all that matters. You are right about the One moving away from being a pure gaming console. I welcome this move as I see the writing is on the wall for standalone consoles. The PS4 will connect and ineract online in ways the PS3 never did and you will find that both manufacturers will be pushing the media and social capabilities as much as possible, particularly as the lifetime of the console evolves. The One and PS4 will have to dominate the living room to survive and, believe me, both companies mean to survive and that means attracting a far wider audience than hardcore gamers. You might not like it (don't know the fuck why anyone should care as long as it plays games TBH) but that's the way it is. I'll be playing games mostly, but will be using loads of the extra stuff that's available for media use - why shouldn't I? It's not as though the extra media capabilities means it will play games less well. Don't forget however that Microsoft are saying the cloud will be an integral part of the gaming experience, with some actual processing power for the game you are playing at home (I'm thinking the new Destiny game from Bungie in particular) handled on the 130,000 servers powering xbox live. Now that's genuinely exciting - a real innovation. I'm sure lots of people will moan about that too - well fuck 'em. I don't know if the PS4 will have the same capability to do this and I don't care either way, because I won't be buying one. If it has - brilliant for PS4 owners, if it hasn't - *shrug* Microsoft have confirmed last night that you will be able to play games offline if your web connection goes down. Meh, thought as much all along - not a problem then. No one ever says "don't buy that tablet, because if your internet goes down you'll be knackered" even though web based use must account for AT LEAST 95% of the average person's useage on a tablet. After coming to the console market from PC's I'm used to the fact that it's a much more restricted environment. Goes with the territory I'm afraid. Costs more to be a console gamer month on month, but the hardware is so cheap compared to a PC gaming rig, you still save money. So chill out Danny - it's nice that you're concerned, but both consoles will be great and we will both be happy. Cheers I was talking about "stokelad", who said he made his decision based on Microsoft's piss poor presentation. Microsoft said after that you can play games offline but also said you need to connect to the internet every 24 hours, while that may not be a problem if you have internet, what if your internet was too go down with a problem at the exchange for a week?, it's just a stupid idea, no need for it. PS4 has the better Hardware, a better GPU and better RAM, although XBOBX'ers now seem to say this doesn't matter, which is funny because they loved it when the 360's was slightly better. It should of been called the KinectTVBox, I just don't buy into or care for anything the XBOX has to offfer,the presentation was awful and they frankly have let xbox fan boys down IMO. I still prefer PC's, you can buy a budget gaming PC for the same price as the xbox or ps4 is likely to cost £400 ish. So what gpu is the ps4 running and what gpu is the Xbox one running? All we know is it comes with 8gb ddr5 ram which has more latency than ddr3 but its quicker. People are guessing the Xbox comes with ddr3 but no solid facts. Also both systems could change by the time it goes into production. Both events were shit, Xbox one was all about media and ps4 was a few cgi videos and games running on a pc claiming to be equivilent to ps4 specs. E3 is where its at. |
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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 22:04:39 GMT
Also a £400 budget PC would not compete. of course it would, for starters, it isn't limited at all. That's not to mention, you can better hardware than either if you were to look hard enough. |
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