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Post by DannyStokie on May 23, 2013 22:20:13 GMT
I was talking about "stokelad", who said he made his decision based on Microsoft's piss poor presentation. Microsoft said after that you can play games offline but also said you need to connect to the internet every 24 hours, while that may not be a problem if you have internet, what if your internet was too go down with a problem at the exchange for a week?, it's just a stupid idea, no need for it. PS4 has the better Hardware, a better GPU and better RAM, although XBOBX'ers now seem to say this doesn't matter, which is funny because they loved it when the 360's was slightly better. It should of been called the KinectTVBox, I just don't buy into or care for anything the XBOX has to offfer,the presentation was awful and they frankly have let xbox fan boys down IMO. I still prefer PC's, you can buy a budget gaming PC for the same price as the xbox or ps4 is likely to cost £400 ish. So what gpu is the ps4 running and what gpu is the Xbox one running? All we know is it comes with 8gb ddr5 ram which has more latency than ddr3 but its quicker. People are guessing the Xbox comes with ddr3 but no solid facts. Also both systems could change by the time it goes into production. Both events were shit, Xbox one was all about media and ps4 was a few cgi videos and games running on a pc claiming to be equivilent to ps4 specs. E3 is where its at. You are correct, it is not confirmed that it is DDR3, but with what Microsoft explained after the event about using ESRAM pretty much confirms that it is DDR3 beyond doubt. The latency is not going to really be that big of difference, neither do I think the bandwidth advantage of GDDR5 will make a HUGE difference, but there will be a difference, nonetheless. The Xbox will have 8Gb DDR3 2133 MHz RAM while the PS4 will have 5500 MHz GDDR5 RAM, this could be significant, or may end up not being at all, we wont know until release for certain. GPU is going to be AMD, just like the AMD CPU's that both are using. The PS4 has 1,152 GPU Cores and the Xbox one has 768 GPU cores, how much difference this will make? who knows. Both consoles will no doubt be great, but for me, it's always going to be PS4 on top here. To me and for many others, the PS4 seems to be, the one for hardcore gamers.
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Post by monkhousestokie on May 24, 2013 8:57:15 GMT
I'm bailing. Was under the impression this was a thread about the Xbox One. Just rename the thread "Xberx sucks 'cos teh PS4 ROOOOLES!!!!"
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Post by DannyStokie on May 24, 2013 9:39:58 GMT
........Xbox... Go home, you're drunk....!!!
Hahahahaha
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 12:54:19 GMT
So what gpu is the ps4 running and what gpu is the Xbox one running? All we know is it comes with 8gb ddr5 ram which has more latency than ddr3 but its quicker. People are guessing the Xbox comes with ddr3 but no solid facts. Also both systems could change by the time it goes into production. Both events were shit, Xbox one was all about media and ps4 was a few cgi videos and games running on a pc claiming to be equivilent to ps4 specs. E3 is where its at. You are correct, it is not confirmed that it is DDR3, but with what Microsoft explained after the event about using ESRAM pretty much confirms that it is DDR3 beyond doubt. The latency is not going to really be that big of difference, neither do I think the bandwidth advantage of GDDR5 will make a HUGE difference, but there will be a difference, nonetheless. The Xbox will have 8Gb DDR3 2133 MHz RAM while the PS4 will have 5500 MHz GDDR5 RAM, this could be significant, or may end up not being at all, we wont know until release for certain. GPU is going to be AMD, just like the AMD CPU's that both are using. The PS4 has 1,152 GPU Cores and the Xbox one has 768 GPU cores, how much difference this will make? who knows. Both consoles will no doubt be great, but for me, it's always going to be PS4 on top here. To me and for many others, the PS4 seems to be, the one for hardcore gamers. GPU cores and TFLOPS are not always a true reflection on graphical power plus both companies have time to alter specs. All we saw on ps4 was cgi videos and games played on a pc "emulating" the power of a ps4. Its not like Sony to lie about performance in the past *cough* ps3 *cough* Also anyone who wants to be a hardcore gamer should be gaming on the far superior platform which is Pc.
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Post by DannyStokie on May 24, 2013 13:31:10 GMT
As I said, GPU cores do make a difference but we'll have to see how we'll they are used.
Please stop withe the misinformed PC crap, it was only 1 game and that was watch dogs, if you think Microsoft didn't also have PC's emulating things too, you are delusional, this stuff happens all the time.
The hard facts are, the PS4 has better specs, it's not up for discussion, it's true.
The XBOX is a TV box that plays games and lets you talk to it(what the f**k), you also have to pay for XBL, which I would never do.
We haven't seen the PS4 yet so that may look awful too but the Xbox looks like an old school VCR, bloody awful and you can't even stand it up. That would annoy me as it wouldn't fit on my desk.
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on May 24, 2013 14:25:54 GMT
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Post by stokebloke on May 24, 2013 14:39:40 GMT
im gonna buy both and decide which is best then.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 16:08:15 GMT
As I said, GPU cores do make a difference but we'll have to see how we'll they are used. Please stop withe the misinformed PC crap, it was only 1 game and that was watch dogs, if you think Microsoft didn't also have PC's emulating things too, you are delusional, this stuff happens all the time. The hard facts are, the PS4 has better specs, it's not up for discussion, it's true. The XBOX is a TV box that plays games and lets you talk to it(what the f**k), you also have to pay for XBL, which I would never do. We haven't seen the PS4 yet so that may look awful too but the Xbox looks like an old school VCR, bloody awful and you can't even stand it up. That would annoy me as it wouldn't fit on my desk. Misinformed? More than one was confirmed to run on a PC, GPU cores do make a difference but there is more too it. Also more misinformed stuff saying it's a tv box. They showed these features and will leave the gaming side to E3. Why am I delusional? I'm fully aware what goes on with regards to demos, I've probably been into serious gaming since you were in nappies, i'd also say my jobs, experiences would give me a huge heads up on gaming hardware. What I said is Sony have lied in the past about performance such as all games on ps3 will be 1080p when reality there is barely any where. Also please don't get me started on hard facts? Facts have not been released for either console, it's websites and forums taking educated guesses. Stop talking shite. Also before any fanboy comments come out, I won't be buying either. I play on a proper machine that's already a generation ahead of these toy boxes.
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Post by DannyStokie on May 24, 2013 16:48:06 GMT
I also play on a proper machine that I would consider to be more than a decade ahead of ethier.
But does you playing games when I was young really any differemce, does it make you feel superior? It's a lame sentence because I have been gaming, building PC's etc for years now.
I know that GPU cores aren't the be and end all but I don't believe it's quite as complicated with consoles as PC's, so many factors can alter how a PC will perform, it's not like that on a console.
I will buy a PS4, because I want to see what it does different really than the PS3.
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Post by flybyhopkirk on May 26, 2013 0:18:47 GMT
To be fair parents will go for a console that allows second hand games. Be that ps4 or Xbox.
Other people will go for whatever they feel is the best console that's suited to them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2013 14:43:05 GMT
It's an ugly thing isn't it?
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Post by stokelad on May 30, 2013 1:26:22 GMT
Sigh. I'm not convinced that me saying I'm looking forward to owning a One is "astonishing" It's a gaming and media console that sits under my telly, not the Nazi Party or a man eating crocodile. I'll buy a One and love it and you'll buy a PS4 and love that too. Everyone wins. I couldn't care less what the internet thinks about either console, because most of the people on it are fucking idiots. The tech press are no better - I liken it to Top Gear who review the latest Porsche 911 by chucking it round a track, tyres screaming and then say at the end its "disappointing" The average person on the street would get into the same car and go "this car is fucking amazeballs" The new consoles will be our new 911's. We will will plug them in and they will amaze and delight us.- bring it on! This difference here though is that no one on "the Internet" or in the tech press has used either console, so it's all just bullshit, speculation, whining and fanboyism at the moment. Both the new consoles will be MILES better than their predecessors for gaming, and that is all that matters. You are right about the One moving away from being a pure gaming console. I welcome this move as I see the writing is on the wall for standalone consoles. The PS4 will connect and ineract online in ways the PS3 never did and you will find that both manufacturers will be pushing the media and social capabilities as much as possible, particularly as the lifetime of the console evolves. The One and PS4 will have to dominate the living room to survive and, believe me, both companies mean to survive and that means attracting a far wider audience than hardcore gamers. You might not like it (don't know the fuck why anyone should care as long as it plays games TBH) but that's the way it is. I'll be playing games mostly, but will be using loads of the extra stuff that's available for media use - why shouldn't I? It's not as though the extra media capabilities means it will play games less well. Don't forget however that Microsoft are saying the cloud will be an integral part of the gaming experience, with some actual processing power for the game you are playing at home (I'm thinking the new Destiny game from Bungie in particular) handled on the 130,000 servers powering xbox live. Now that's genuinely exciting - a real innovation. I'm sure lots of people will moan about that too - well fuck 'em. I don't know if the PS4 will have the same capability to do this and I don't care either way, because I won't be buying one. If it has - brilliant for PS4 owners, if it hasn't - *shrug* Microsoft have confirmed last night that you will be able to play games offline if your web connection goes down. Meh, thought as much all along - not a problem then. No one ever says "don't buy that tablet, because if your internet goes down you'll be knackered" even though web based use must account for AT LEAST 95% of the average person's useage on a tablet. After coming to the console market from PC's I'm used to the fact that it's a much more restricted environment. Goes with the territory I'm afraid. Costs more to be a console gamer month on month, but the hardware is so cheap compared to a PC gaming rig, you still save money. So chill out Danny - it's nice that you're concerned, but both consoles will be great and we will both be happy. Cheers I was talking about "stokelad", who said he made his decision based on Microsoft's piss poor presentation. Microsoft said after that you can play games offline but also said you need to connect to the internet every 24 hours, while that may not be a problem if you have internet, what if your internet was too go down with a problem at the exchange for a week?, it's just a stupid idea, no need for it. PS4 has the better Hardware, a better GPU and better RAM, although XBOBX'ers now seem to say this doesn't matter, which is funny because they loved it when the 360's was slightly better. It should of been called the KinectTVBox, I just don't buy into or care for anything the XBOX has to offfer,the presentation was awful and they frankly have let xbox fan boys down IMO. I still prefer PC's, you can buy a budget gaming PC for the same price as the xbox or ps4 is likely to cost £400 ish. i really aren't that bothered about what people think of either console or this "console" war, il just buy purchase what i feel is the best or best suits me. Just because you brought a ps3 or 360 doesnt mean you some sort of "fanboy" or have a hatred for the other console its all a bit silly if am being honest.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Jun 10, 2013 18:16:21 GMT
Announced at E3 to cost a whopping £429! Get the overtime in lads!
This price tag reflects the fact that every machine now comes with Kinect which in my opinion was a bad move. Should have been optional but they seem to be pushing all the developers to integrate kinect in their games somehow to justify it.
Edit: Another thing to consider is the Live subscription on top of this unless they throw a year in free which at this price range wouldn't be to much to ask.
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Post by Jimm on Jun 10, 2013 19:19:38 GMT
I'm swaying more to the PlayStation, the xbox seems to be based to much kinect and tv/media side
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 10, 2013 19:24:31 GMT
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Post by stokebloke on Jun 11, 2013 13:50:36 GMT
way to expensive.think ill be sticking to my 360 and going for the ps4 now.
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Post by pickins on Jun 11, 2013 14:14:59 GMT
.... and then the nasal warrior took his pad in hand and declared " I wanna be a space marine........ chaaaarge! ".
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jun 11, 2013 22:43:47 GMT
As much as I'm a Xbox fan it got pissed on by the PS4.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 19, 2013 21:47:34 GMT
Microsoft have put themselves back into the game, they've ditched DRM and the 24 hr internet check.
Talk about a u-turn.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards
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Post by Jimm on Jun 20, 2013 0:45:08 GMT
Still haven't changed the fact that their kinect sensor will watch you constantly, I'm excited about converting to Sony after years and years of being an xbox fan boy
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jun 29, 2013 20:14:59 GMT
Now I will get an Xbox because of the late changes they've made
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Post by stokebloke on Jul 1, 2013 16:15:26 GMT
still haven't back tracked on the most important thing...the fookin extortionate price they're charging for it.
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Post by stokeymad on Jul 1, 2013 18:06:01 GMT
The most important factor will determine which I get......what my friends get. After all, they will be whose asses I am kicking on Fifa.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S34 from the year 2671 via a terminator called Bob. Using proboards of course.
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Post by Nick1984 on Jul 1, 2013 20:32:24 GMT
I think a lot of people will be switching to the cheaper/more powerful PS4, there just doesn't seem to be any advantage in getting an Xbox One. As for FIFA, I'll be going back to PES for the first time in years, FIFA's gotten too arcadey/samey lately, PES 2014 on the other hand looks amazing
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Post by monkhousestokie on Jul 2, 2013 13:13:44 GMT
I've pre-ordered the Xbox One, along with three of my mates.
Bring it on!
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 2, 2013 15:47:00 GMT
I've pre-ordered the Xbox One, along with three of my mates. Bring it on! I hope you've pre-ordered a game, too.
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Post by Jimm on Jul 3, 2013 18:38:48 GMT
Am i right in thinking that say games like GTA V and fifa are going to be released on the 360 and ps3 then re done and re sold for the xbox one and ps4
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 4, 2013 8:29:04 GMT
Am i right in thinking that say games like GTA V and fifa are going to be released on the 360 and ps3 then re done and re sold for the xbox one and ps4 Fifa 14 is already available to pre-order for the xbox one. GTA V is not, but I'm certain they will release it on the next gen consoles.
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Post by monkhousestokie on Jul 17, 2013 15:59:37 GMT
I've pre-ordered the Xbox One, along with three of my mates. Bring it on! I hope you've pre-ordered a game, too. Nope, Digital Downloads all the way for me. I'll get the games once I've got it home. Might take a few hours to start playing the first game, but that will give me a good amount of time to have a fiddle.
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Post by stokelad on Aug 1, 2013 23:17:55 GMT
Still haven't changed the fact that their kinect sensor will watch you constantly, I'm excited about converting to Sony after years and years of being an xbox fan boy you can turn the kinect off....
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