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Post by RAF on May 18, 2013 11:18:17 GMT
Hang on a fucking minute here. So he's fucking stupid because he asks not to be involved in the twatting around and his colleagues completely ignore his wishes and put a pigs head in his locker? I'd be fucking aggrieved if my work/team mates completely ignored my wishes as well. H You're asking for it. From my experience keeping Your head low and not saying anything gets You rewards. Mentioning it makes You a target. I think telling them not to do stuff is stupid, yes. It is wrong but more than not that's what happens, not to realise that is daft. He's getting fucking slagged off for his reaction after telling them he didn't want to get involved. Now had he not said anything then gone off his nut if it happened I could understand it. It's quite clear the lad hasn't got the same sense of humour as others, thus reacting the way he did. No one can get all menstrual because he did his nut after expressly telling them he didn't want to be involved. H
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Post by Beardy200 on May 18, 2013 11:20:37 GMT
People's agenda against jones is well and truely alive on this thread, it's not like he had a dead animal put in his locker is it? Oh wait a minute ... No agenda from me matey. I've rarely had a bad word to say about KJ since he's been here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 11:20:50 GMT
You're asking for it. From my experience keeping Your head low and not saying anything gets You rewards. Mentioning it makes You a target. I think telling them not to do stuff is stupid, yes. It is wrong but more than not that's what happens, not to realise that is daft. He's getting fucking slagged off for his reaction after telling them he didn't want to get involved. Now had he not said anything then gone off his nut if it happened I could understand it. It's quite clear the lad hasn't got the same sense of humour as others, thus reacting the way he did. No one can get all menstrual because he did his nut after expressly telling them he didn't want to be involved. H I disagree for the reasons stated above!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:22:30 GMT
"BREAKING #StokeCity comedy duo Matthew Etherington and Glenn Whelan have their contracts terminated. #scfc #training #pig"
Ermmm? Sorry what? Surely not?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 11:24:32 GMT
"BREAKING #StokeCity comedy duo Matthew Etherington and Glenn Whelan have their contracts terminated. #scfc #training #pig" Ermmm? Sorry what? Surely not? Don't build people's hopes up with tweets from shitty accounts!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:26:02 GMT
"BREAKING #StokeCity comedy duo Matthew Etherington and Glenn Whelan have their contracts terminated. #scfc #training #pig" Ermmm? Sorry what? Surely not? Don't build people's hopes up with tweets from shitty accounts! ;D the guy that retweeted it said he'd saw it on a couple of sites today, personally I can't see it being true at all.
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Post by RichardTMP on May 18, 2013 11:26:22 GMT
"BREAKING #StokeCity comedy duo Matthew Etherington and Glenn Whelan have their contracts terminated. #scfc #training #pig" Ermmm? Sorry what? Surely not? oh dear...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 18, 2013 11:26:33 GMT
The sad thing is no-one comes out of this with any credit. Not the players, the management, the club and anyone on here who tries to defend such boorish, juvenile behaviour and the violent reaction it provoked.
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Post by Stoke711 on May 18, 2013 11:26:51 GMT
I find it hard to say without knowing what the dynamics are actually like in there. Did Whelan specifically ask people not to wear flip flops while warming up which was a red rag to Abdoulaye? Pulis definitely told people not to plan an xmas party which was a red rag to Beattie ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) It depends how matey they are, or if there are any factions in there, which with our selection policy I can believe. At the same time, after he's told em to leave him out of it (rightly/wrongly), surely after so long they'd be able to judge if Kenneth would take it and sulk or whether he'd go +1 on the pigshead. If the rumours were different, that Jones was smiling and laughing as he put Whelans window through, telling him "I warned you not to fuck with me, hahahahha", would it make any difference? Its not like the cost of a windowscreen is significant to any of em, and itd be hard for Whelan to get precious about it after he's taken it to the pighead level. All in all I just want summer to come and quickly! If they think he'd sulk I think it'd make them want to do it even more! And not from a racial/religious point but just because he seems such a moody, miserable sort. And yes, if it was done as a joke, it's extreme like the pig's head but I could live with that because I think in that environment it's within the boundaries. My boundaries clearly are bigger than some though. Maybe they were just trying to get Kenwyne more involved or maybe Jones is on his way and this is the players idea of a send off, like what they did to Owen. Really will never know unless it all comes out but I don't see that happening. Tbh this kind of thing happens in a lot of dressing rooms, whether it's Sunday league or professional, maybe not to these extremes but it does go on. As I said in an earlier post if he had a problem with it then speak to Shawcross and Pulis, flying off the handle helps no one. If it was me at my work and I felt it was a personal attack rather than a prank I'd speak out, I wouldn't just go smash their cars up. Someone has to be the bigger man and draw a line on it all.
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Post by stokeramblers on May 18, 2013 11:27:26 GMT
Convenient way to clear a few more off the wage bill ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Clearly bullshit though
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Post by whereami on May 18, 2013 11:30:21 GMT
I think I'm done with this. When I can end a sentence with "taken it to the pighead level" and mean it literally, its probably best left alone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Beardy200 on May 18, 2013 11:37:31 GMT
I think most people would have seen it as pretty standard run of the mill dressing room banter and have a good laugh about it. Yeah I'm always doing that at work, Jesus fucking wept!! Please stop comparing your average day job with the life of a professional footballer. Unless you work in a completely male environment where the vast majority of workers are youngsters, you have shitloads of money and free time and know you could probably walk into another job no matter what you do, it is not the same. I'm guessing you don't.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 18, 2013 11:40:44 GMT
Yeah I'm always doing that at work, Jesus fucking wept!! Please stop comparing your average day job with the life of a professional footballer. Unless you work in a completely male environment where the vast majority of workers are youngsters, you have shitloads of money and free time and know you could probably walk into another job no matter what you do, it is not the same. I'm guessing you don't. Which is why most of us don't see it as standard dressing room banter but stupidity of the highest order.
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Post by Squeekster on May 18, 2013 11:49:12 GMT
Pulis has said himself that the lads play pranks and that its the norm so this one has gone a bit wrong.
He should have had the whole squad together spoke about it,if KJ was upset then the culprits should have apologized end of.
If KJ feels that upset and doesn't want to play Sunday tell him to go home and we'll see you in pre season or when he's sold.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 18, 2013 11:49:34 GMT
Well as long as Bego, Huth, Ryan, Adam and N'Zonzi aren't involved we could use it as an excuse to fuck the rest off with any luck! Please let Adam be involved if this ends up being the outcome. Yeah fuck it. Who needs that creative bollocks anyway?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:52:23 GMT
*Footballers Wives tweeting klaxon* "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 10m Wow now seeing all this lol #twitterrant but why is race involved I didn't tweet that hmmm #movingon how about morally?" "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 9m Am I not allowed to express myself sigh I really wish I could tweet everything but I can't! I'll just stick to the truth!"
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 11:53:50 GMT
*Footballers Wives tweeting klaxon* "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 10m Wow now seeing all this lol #twitterrant but why is race involved I didn't tweet that hmmm #movingon how about morally?" "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 9m Am I not allowed to express myself sigh I really wish I could tweet everything but I can't! I'll just stick to the truth!" Here we go again!
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Post by Beardy200 on May 18, 2013 11:55:19 GMT
Please stop comparing your average day job with the life of a professional footballer. Unless you work in a completely male environment where the vast majority of workers are youngsters, you have shitloads of money and free time and know you could probably walk into another job no matter what you do, it is not the same. I'm guessing you don't. Which is why most of us don't see it as standard dressing room banter but stupidity of the highest order. That makes no sense whatsoever. How is that 'why' you find it so stupid? You're making it sound like you would be less upset about if it was in a normal workplace. Young men who spend too long together do shit like this. We're you disgusted when Owen's car was egged and floured? Was that standard banter or stupidity of the highest order? I'm struggling to believe how it is such a big deal. The only way is if they all hate KJ and have collaberated together to piss him off as much as possible. If that's the case the culprits are dicks and deserve punishment. Anything else and it's just young men fucking about as they alway have. The most stupid and immature action of the lot is KJ's crying and smashing up of cars. My last job was all male and we were always fucking with each other. Some were inappropriate or poorly timed and yes there were a few arguments over things but nobody ever went outside and smashed up anybody's car.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 11:56:57 GMT
Which is why most of us don't see it as standard dressing room banter but stupidity of the highest order. That makes no sense whatsoever. How is that 'why' you find it so stupid? You're making it sound like you would be less upset about if it was in a normal workplace. Young men who spend too long together do shit like this. We're you disgusted when Owen's car was egged and floured? Was that standard banter or stupidity of the highest order? I'm struggling to believe how it is such a big deal. The only way is if they all hate KJ and have collaberated together to piss him off as much as possible. If that's the case the culprits are dicks and deserve punishment. Anything else and it's just young men fucking about as they alway have. The most stupid and immature action of the lot is KJ's crying and smashing up of cars. My last job was all male and we were always fucking with each other. Some were inappropriate or poorly timed and yes there were a few arguments over things but nobody ever went outside and smashed up anybody's car. It sounds like You were all a bit too close tbf! Spot on though Beardy!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:57:04 GMT
*Footballers Wives tweeting klaxon* "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 10m Wow now seeing all this lol #twitterrant but why is race involved I didn't tweet that hmmm #movingon how about morally?" "Kissa Abdullah ?@kissakj 9m Am I not allowed to express myself sigh I really wish I could tweet everything but I can't! I'll just stick to the truth!" Here we go again! From the tweets you could argue no racial intentions at least.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 18, 2013 12:09:58 GMT
Putting a dead animal in someone's locker isn't funny or a harmless joke in any work environment, you can't use the excuse "because they're on loads of money" either. Lets all Go in work on Monday and try the same "joke" see how many of us have a job at the end of week.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 18, 2013 12:11:45 GMT
People's agenda against jones is well and truely alive on this thread, it's not like he had a dead animal put in his locker is it? Oh wait a minute ... As it is against Whelan from some quarters, it cuts both ways. There's not many though mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 12:13:28 GMT
Putting a dead animal in someone's locker isn't funny or a harmless joke in any work environment, you can't use the excuse "because they're on loads of money" either. Lets all Go in work on Monday and try the same "joke" see how many of us have a job at the end of week. Beardy has covered this! Football is different. Ashley Cole shot someone and kept his job. It's a completely different environment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2013 12:37:07 GMT
Putting a dead animal in someone's locker isn't funny or a harmless joke in any work environment, you can't use the excuse "because they're on loads of money" either. Lets all Go in work on Monday and try the same "joke" see how many of us have a job at the end of week. Beardy has covered this! Football is different. Ashley Cole shot someone and kept his job. It's a completely different environment. Thing is Bayern we don't what happened do we, so none of us are in a place to judge? Let's say ... that players sat down at the awards dinner on Monday and they were all served Pork Loin and KJ pushed his plate away saying "I'm not eating this". He was then asked why not as he always ate pork before, he then tells them he's become a full-on rasta since the start of the year and he doesn't eat Pork anymore. They all think he's a bit of a moody twat anyway and this is just another example of him being self-centered. So they come up with a cracking idea to 'wind him up'. Furthermore, KJ aware that it is prank season, tells the 'lads' that he'd rather be kept out of it and if any fooker messes with him then he'll put their car windscreen through. They did, so he did. Now of course this is just an EXAMPLE of what could have happened in the lead up to yesterday, there might not be any mitigating circumstances whatsoever but we don't know what the current dynamic is like in the dressing room and I just find it very hard to judge anybody based on the little that we do know. Football being 'different' isn't really enough to base an opinion on here imho.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 12:41:27 GMT
Beardy has covered this! Football is different. Ashley Cole shot someone and kept his job. It's a completely different environment. Thing is Bayern we don't what happened do we, so none of us are in a place to judge? Let's say ... that players sat down at the awards dinner on Monday and they were all served Pork Loin and KJ pushed his plate away saying "I'm not eating this". He was then asked why not as he always ate pork before, he then tells them he's become a full-on rasta since the start of the year and he doesn't eat Pork anymore. They all think he's a bit of a moody twat anyway and this is just another example of him being self-centered. So they come up with a cracking idea to 'wind him up'. Furthermore, KJ aware that it is prank season, tells the 'lads' that he'd rather be kept out of it and if any fooker messes with him then he'll put their car windscreen through. They did, so he did. Now of course this is just an EXAMPLE of what could have happened in the lead up to yesterday, there might not be any mitigating circumstances whatsoever but we don't know what the current dynamic is like in the dressing room and I just find it very hard to judge anybody based on the little that we do know. Football being 'different' isn't really enough to base an opinion on here imho. It's enough to say that these things happen in this environment and indeed people have got away with far worse than what Whelan, Ethers and indeed KJ have done. The circumstances are irrelevant to that imo. None of them should be sacked or any of that bollocks, fine the four of them and move on.
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Post by skip on May 18, 2013 12:42:45 GMT
The sad thing is no-one comes out of this with any credit. Not the players, the management, the club and anyone on here who tries to defend such boorish, juvenile behaviour and the violent reaction it provoked. ^
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2013 12:44:31 GMT
Thing is Bayern we don't what happened do we, so none of us are in a place to judge? Let's say ... that players sat down at the awards dinner on Monday and they were all served Pork Loin and KJ pushed his plate away saying "I'm not eating this". He was then asked why not as he always ate pork before, he then tells them he's become a full-on rasta since the start of the year and he doesn't eat Pork anymore. They all think he's a bit of a moody twat anyway and this is just another example of him being self-centered. So they come up with a cracking idea to 'wind him up'. Furthermore, KJ aware that it is prank season, tells the 'lads' that he'd rather be kept out of it and if any fooker messes with him then he'll put their car windscreen through. They did, so he did. Now of course this is just an EXAMPLE of what could have happened in the lead up to yesterday, there might not be any mitigating circumstances whatsoever but we don't know what the current dynamic is like in the dressing room and I just find it very hard to judge anybody based on the little that we do know. Football being 'different' isn't really enough to base an opinion on here imho. It's enough to say that these things happen in this environment and indeed people have got away with far worse than what Whelan, Ethers and indeed KJ have done. The circumstances are irrelevant to that imo. None of them should be sacked or any of that bollocks, fine the four of them and move on. Oh absolutely mate, as I said yesterday, the worst thing to come of this so far in my opinion, is that crap from Walters' missus on twitter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 12:47:03 GMT
It's enough to say that these things happen in this environment and indeed people have got away with far worse than what Whelan, Ethers and indeed KJ have done. The circumstances are irrelevant to that imo. None of them should be sacked or any of that bollocks, fine the four of them and move on. Oh absolutely mate, as I said yesterday, the worst thing to come of this so far in my opinion, is that crap from Walters' missus on twitter. I'd like to throw KJ's missus in there too as I've previously said. I don't think the pair of them have covered themselves in glory and this sort of episode (the Twitter bitching) has been a long time coming. It's why I hate Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 12:47:16 GMT
There are some touchy tarts on this thread.
You should get together with KJ and form a group. The Big Girls Blouse society should cover it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2013 12:48:45 GMT
And on that note I'm going to turn some logs into smaller logs!
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