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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 23, 2013 19:32:43 GMT
If we are not even considering signing up Moyes on a top wage then for me it shows the lack of ambition and forward thinking of the club. Pulis has had £100M over 5 years, why not give someone with the pedigree of Moyes a top Salary & £150M to spend over 5 years considering the Premiership club revenue is going to rocket. Pretty small time if you ask me. I thought you were mad before Yogi but this... Is Yogi the same as Pasa?  |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2013 19:35:41 GMT
It would be a suicidal career move for Moyes to come to Stoke. He has proven he can work wonders on a limited budget, why would he want to do that again.
He will want a top club, at home or abroad.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 23, 2013 19:43:24 GMT
It would be a suicidal career move for Moyes to come to Stoke. He has proven he can work wonders on a limited budget, why would he want to do that again. He will want a top club, at home or abroad. Geoff. I think he realises now he wont get a top club. He won't get a limited budget if PC went for him in a serious way. Get it?? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2013 19:44:37 GMT
If we rule out Benitez for arguments sake.
And include Bould as a left-field choice...
Looks like Big Sam will stay on at the 'Ammers, and I can't see us attracting any in-work Prem managers?
Are we then looking at a realistic field of:
OLD SCHOOL
O'Neill
Hughes
Bruce (if Hull don't go up)
McClaren
Di Matteo
Poyet (if Brighton don't go up)
Zola (if Watford don't go up)
Bould
Solskjaer
Neville
NEW SCHOOL
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Post by stevebigsmokestoke on Apr 23, 2013 19:47:37 GMT
GARY MEGSON
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Post by Bombus on Apr 23, 2013 19:48:01 GMT
I'm not so sure about that, Rob. Well we haven't managed one yet and are currently further away from doing so than at any stage since promotion... Your previous post is spot on, but I don't see why there's reason to believe the manager is suddenly going to start picking those players? He could've done that at any time since the turn of the year. I've been thinking of a good answer to your question Rob, and the only reason I can come up with is that hopefully when we're 100% safe, the whole backroom staff, the chairman and the manager can start evaluating the season that's been and really plan for next year (possible transfers, set new goals, new possible tactics and so on). But I guess we can only really hope that TP will do what is right when it comes to picking the team in the future (which I think is possible after an evaluation of our squad and the past season). I read an interview with Pulis some time ago and apparently he had said that we'll more business this upcoming transfer window than we've ever done before (especially on players out). Maybe, players like Palacios, Crouch, Edu and Adam are on their way out as they obviously don't suit our style/fit the system? And maybe players like Whitehead and Etherington (who both has been great servants to our club) truly is on their way out? I hope that is the case as we've now got some great young prospects at our club (Cuvelier, Ness, Shea, Butland to name the biggest ones) who I think should at least be given the chance to compete for a spot in the team. I'm really excited for next year, even though we're not 100% safe yet. I think that we'll surprise many as we'll finish in the top-half in 2013-2014! |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2013 19:50:20 GMT
Fuller Magic,
If you are saying they would be the most likely options for Stoke, I would agree. The only one though I would be confident would keep Stoke up would be O'Neill.
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 23, 2013 19:56:12 GMT
Whoever is appointed I'm sure Tony's supporters - the ones who call for unity and for us all to pull in the same direction for the good of the club - will back the new man to the hilt  fuck that :-Sits pay back time  moan moan  anybody could get us to the cup final (zzz)keep passing sideways then back  just fucking boot the ball  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:12:38 GMT
I don't buy this 'more financial clout' stuff. As a bigger club they're going to have more pull than us. They agreed a fee of around £9m for a player in January in a deal that only fell through due to a medical issue, and that was after bringing in the likes of Mirallas and Pienaar over the summer.Plus Coates has talked of reining in our spending and the perception of us is of a club stagnating, not going forward. Nobody with Moyes' reputation is going to leave a big club for a smaller one. It just doesn't happen. The reason Moyes was able to bring in Mirallas was because Fellaini was at the club. Pienaar had been at the club previously and knew and trusted the manager. A better manager attracts better players, none of those mentioned signed for Everton because they expected to be challenging for the Champions League. They were young players with ambition that signed for a manager with ambition. Like I said, it's down to the club to sell their ambition!! How many smaller clubs attract managers from bigger clubs by 'selling them' well? How often does that happen? My point with Mirallas and Pienaar was more that for a club with 'severe financial restraints' they could still spend £7-8m on one and £4-5m on another while agreeing a deal of £9mish for another in January. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:15:35 GMT
Well we haven't managed one yet and are currently further away from doing so than at any stage since promotion... Your previous post is spot on, but I don't see why there's reason to believe the manager is suddenly going to start picking those players? He could've done that at any time since the turn of the year. I've been thinking of a good answer to your question Rob, and the only reason I can come up with is that hopefully when we're 100% safe, the whole backroom staff, the chairman and the manager can start evaluating the season that's been and really plan for next year (possible transfers, set new goals, new possible tactics and so on). But I guess we can only really hope that TP will do what is right when it comes to picking the team in the future (which I think is possible after an evaluation of our squad and the past season). I read an interview with Pulis some time ago and apparently he had said that we'll more business this upcoming transfer window than we've ever done before (especially on players out). Maybe, players like Palacios, Crouch, Edu and Adam are on their way out as they obviously don't suit our style/fit the system? And maybe players like Whitehead and Etherington (who both has been great servants to our club) truly is on their way out? I hope that is the case as we've now got some great young prospects at our club (Cuvelier, Ness, Shea, Butland to name the biggest ones) who I think should at least be given the chance to compete for a spot in the team. I'm really excited for next year, even though we're not 100% safe yet. I think that we'll surprise many as we'll finish in the top-half in 2013-2014! I don't see him buying players that fit his system though Bombus - his business in the last two summers has been dreadful and he seems to have lost touch with the elements that do improve us. He could play two wingers now but he doesn't. He could play Jones with Walters behind but he doesn't. He could have signed a lift back but he didn't. |
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Post by rawli on Apr 23, 2013 20:23:21 GMT
I've been thinking of a good answer to your question Rob, and the only reason I can come up with is that hopefully when we're 100% safe, the whole backroom staff, the chairman and the manager can start evaluating the season that's been and really plan for next year (possible transfers, set new goals, new possible tactics and so on). But I guess we can only really hope that TP will do what is right when it comes to picking the team in the future (which I think is possible after an evaluation of our squad and the past season). I read an interview with Pulis some time ago and apparently he had said that we'll more business this upcoming transfer window than we've ever done before (especially on players out). Maybe, players like Palacios, Crouch, Edu and Adam are on their way out as they obviously don't suit our style/fit the system? And maybe players like Whitehead and Etherington (who both has been great servants to our club) truly is on their way out? I hope that is the case as we've now got some great young prospects at our club (Cuvelier, Ness, Shea, Butland to name the biggest ones) who I think should at least be given the chance to compete for a spot in the team. I'm really excited for next year, even though we're not 100% safe yet. I think that we'll surprise many as we'll finish in the top-half in 2013-2014! I don't see him buying players that fit his system though Bombus - his business in the last two summers has been dreadful and he seems to have lost touch with the elements that do improve us. He could play two wingers now but he doesn't. He could play Jones with Walters behind but he doesn't. He could have signed a lift back but he didn't. I wish he'd signed a lift back to Bournemouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:25:39 GMT
Oh bollocks. You know what I mean!  |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 20:30:51 GMT
It would be a suicidal career move for Moyes to come to Stoke. He has proven he can work wonders on a limited budget, why would he want to do that again. He will want a top club, at home or abroad. If Moyes was going to get a huge club it would of happened for him in England by now. Harsh, maybe but If he hasn't got one in England what makes you so sure he will get one abroad? He might be out of work for a while if he's waitiong for a Champions League team to pick him up. SCFC should be sold as an exciting project, there will b e loads of managers knocking the door down to manage for a well run club like ours that is not short of a bob or two. I think you and some of the posters on this thread are underestimating us to be honest, we have a lot going for us as a club. |
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Post by Bombus on Apr 23, 2013 20:36:47 GMT
I've been thinking of a good answer to your question Rob, and the only reason I can come up with is that hopefully when we're 100% safe, the whole backroom staff, the chairman and the manager can start evaluating the season that's been and really plan for next year (possible transfers, set new goals, new possible tactics and so on). But I guess we can only really hope that TP will do what is right when it comes to picking the team in the future (which I think is possible after an evaluation of our squad and the past season). I read an interview with Pulis some time ago and apparently he had said that we'll more business this upcoming transfer window than we've ever done before (especially on players out). Maybe, players like Palacios, Crouch, Edu and Adam are on their way out as they obviously don't suit our style/fit the system? And maybe players like Whitehead and Etherington (who both has been great servants to our club) truly is on their way out? I hope that is the case as we've now got some great young prospects at our club (Cuvelier, Ness, Shea, Butland to name the biggest ones) who I think should at least be given the chance to compete for a spot in the team. I'm really excited for next year, even though we're not 100% safe yet. I think that we'll surprise many as we'll finish in the top-half in 2013-2014! I don't see him buying players that fit his system though Bombus - his business in the last two summers has been dreadful and he seems to have lost touch with the elements that do improve us. He could play two wingers now but he doesn't. He could play Jones with Walters behind but he doesn't. He could have signed a lift back but he didn't. That is true Rob, and I am also worried that he has "lost his touch" when it comes to signing players that do improve us, like you say. I hope Cartwright can add something we've seemingly been missing the last two transfer windows though. Benteke is a player who I think would improve us, and if Aston Villa gets relegated, I reckon we've got a chance. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 20:37:52 GMT
We have signed 2 players, one for more than £8M and one for £8M, one of which we don't feel the need to play so we can't be that skint. Both come from Spurs who are renowned for a massive wage compared to ours. Also, again this is before the increased revenue which is going to double. Indeed, one of them will have been money dropped down a drain and the other will be millions of pounds loss to us IF he moves. Hence Mr Coates proclaiming this policy unsustainable, and he's right. Somebody with a bit of sense would of signed players of this value in our situation and at least played them. It's Pulis' unsustainable policy, not SCFC's. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 20:42:39 GMT
I don't see him buying players that fit his system though Bombus - his business in the last two summers has been dreadful and he seems to have lost touch with the elements that do improve us. He could play two wingers now but he doesn't. He could play Jones with Walters behind but he doesn't. He could have signed a lift back but he didn't. That is true Rob, and I am also worried that he has "lost his touch" when it comes to signing players that do improve us, like you say. I hope Cartwright can add something we've seemingly been missing the last two transfer windows though. Benteke is a player who I think would improve us, and if Aston Villa gets relegated, I reckon we've got a chance. We have more chance of getting Moyes than Benteke mate, but get Moyes and Benteke then becomes a realistic option, as do many more of his standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:44:29 GMT
If Villa go down Benteke is a realistic option I'd have said. No less realistic than Tuncay was.
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Post by bolders on Apr 23, 2013 20:48:26 GMT
Depends who else comes sniffing around him
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 20:49:27 GMT
If Villa go down Benteke is a realistic option I'd have said. No less realistic than Tuncay was. 15 Prem goals at 19 years of age RVD in his first Premiership season for a struggling team I suspect he will not be signing for a management team that bases their gaame on defence, sad but true. With that Tally at just 19 there will be clubs from the top 6 interested aswell, no doubt. Pulis will struggle to attract anybody of any kind of attacking standard this summer imo if he stays. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 23, 2013 20:52:08 GMT
It would be a suicidal career move for Moyes to come to Stoke. He has proven he can work wonders on a limited budget, why would he want to do that again. He will want a top club, at home or abroad. Rumours are that he's keen to move abroad with Germany his preferred location. It wouldn't surprise me if he was interested in the Celtic job if Lennon leaves in the summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:54:29 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull.
I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon.
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Post by bolders on Apr 23, 2013 21:02:24 GMT
Even if we were in with a chance with him those dildo twins at west ham would come in for him and ruin it
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Post by bahnsen on Apr 23, 2013 21:10:37 GMT
Let Pulis do the job - he has done a fantastic job till now if you dont think so then you are a dreamer!
I have been fan since 1972 and we have never been more succes full!
for the accademy take Kasper Hjulman from FC Nordsjælland he has changed the team from an every year relegating fighting team - they are now top of Danish Superlige 2' year and did ok in CL this season - he would be able to implement a new style for the up comming Young players. ( Very ball possessing)
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 21:29:48 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull. I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon. If Pulis stays I will be astonished if he signs any forward thinking players and strikers of any note, I'll be even more astonished that the board did not act after a real shambles has been created this season, to give him more money is sheer lunacy, imo. |
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Post by Bombus on Apr 23, 2013 21:35:06 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull. I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon. Right on Rob. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 23, 2013 21:35:38 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull. I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon. If Pulis stays I will be astonished if he signs any forward thinking players and strikers of any note, I'll be even more astonished that the board did not act after a real shambles has been created this season, to give him more money is sheer lunacy, imo. I can see him staying regardless of what happens this season. He'll probably be told to generate his own funds though through player sales (Begovic?) and getting players off the wage bill (Pennant, Owen, Whitehead etc) |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 21:49:51 GMT
If Pulis stays I will be astonished if he signs any forward thinking players and strikers of any note, I'll be even more astonished that the board did not act after a real shambles has been created this season, to give him more money is sheer lunacy, imo. I can see him staying regardless of what happens this season. He'll probably be told to generate his own funds though through player sales (Begovic?) and getting players off the wage bill (Pennant, Owen, Whitehead etc) What is the point of keeping a guy you no longer trust to spend your money wisely on players he will play. You either back him or sack him for me and I'd be astonished if they backed him again. |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 23, 2013 21:55:26 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull. I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon. I think you've just proved my point there Rob. Owen signed for us despite the fact Everton also showed an interest. We have more financial clout! |
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 23, 2013 22:00:31 GMT
If Villa go down Benteke is a realistic option I'd have said. No less realistic than Tuncay was. 15 Prem goals at 19 years of age RVD in his first Premiership season for a struggling team I suspect he will not be signing for a management team that bases their gaame on defence, sad but true. With that Tally at just 19 there will be clubs from the top 6 interested aswell, no doubt. Pulis will struggle to attract anybody of any kind of attacking standard this summer imo if he stays. I agree Benteke will probably be attractive to bigger clubs than us. But he's not 19 he's 22 - at least that's what wiki says! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 22:05:45 GMT
He somehow manages to though. He even managed to get Adam and Owen in at the start of this season, or at the very least they were prepared to sign for us regardless. The Prem in itself is a pull. I can't see what big club is going to want Benteke. Technically he isn't that good. He's a powerhouse who'd suit us down to the ground but I don't see a top 6 club going for him. Everton, West Brom, those kind of clubs are his level I reckon. I think you've just proved my point there Rob. Owen signed for us despite the fact Everton also showed an interest. We have more financial clout! If Everton's interest was remotely serious don't you think he'd have signed for them though? As most players would? Name value and wages count for a lot as well. Moyes is one of the best-paid managers in the league, would we match that and give him bags of money to spend? How does that fit in with the academy and self-sufficiency drive or Cartwright's brief? |
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fuck that :-Sits pay back time 
moan moan 
anybody could get us to the cup final (zzz)keep passing sideways then back 
just fucking boot the ball
