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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2013 22:17:49 GMT
If we rule out Benitez for arguments sake. And include Bould as a left-field choice... Looks like Big Sam will stay on at the 'Ammers, and I can't see us attracting any in-work Prem managers? Are we then looking at a realistic field of:
OLD SCHOOL
O'Neill
Hughes
Bruce (if Hull don't go up)
McClaren
Di Matteo
Poyet (if Brighton don't go up)
Zola (if Watford don't go up)
Bould
Solskjaer
Neville
NEW SCHOOL
That's the shortlist at Bet 365 towers grapey. Does it make any antis soften to another year of Pulis?  |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 23, 2013 22:19:14 GMT
I think you've just proved my point there Rob. Owen signed for us despite the fact Everton also showed an interest. We have more financial clout! If Everton's interest was remotely serious don't you think he'd have signed for them though? As most players would? Name value and wages count for a lot as well. Moyes is one of the best-paid managers in the league, would we match that and give him bags of money to spend? How does that fit in with the academy and self-sufficiency drive or Cartwright's brief? If Everton had offered the same as Stoke I'm sure Owen would have signed for them which proves my point. Stoke have more financial clout then Everton! |
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Post by Championship Potter on Apr 23, 2013 22:24:58 GMT
Personally I'd go for Hughes or Hoddle. Both tactically sound (which is important if we want to get the most out of Crouch and Adam), play decent football, are well connected within the game (so we could bring in 1 or 2 of the top 4's best young players)and would bring through young players.
I'd worry about a Bould or a Neville because major work is needed on the squad. Generally I think if you are going to gamble on a new manager then you need a solid squad in place already so the new manager can find their feet without having to worry about rebuilding a squad (e.g. Clarke at West Brom).
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 23, 2013 22:40:37 GMT
If we rule out Benitez for arguments sake. And include Bould as a left-field choice... Looks like Big Sam will stay on at the 'Ammers, and I can't see us attracting any in-work Prem managers? Are we then looking at a realistic field of:
OLD SCHOOL
O'Neill
Hughes
Bruce (if Hull don't go up)
McClaren
Di Matteo
Poyet (if Brighton don't go up)
Zola (if Watford don't go up)
Bould
Solskjaer
Neville
NEW SCHOOL
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2013 22:42:01 GMT
ABP for me.
Except Megson. It would be armagedon if that cunt was appointed.
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Post by digger on Apr 23, 2013 22:48:01 GMT
ABP for me. Except Megson. It would be armagedon if that cunt was appointed.  why would you and your mate BOO |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 23, 2013 22:51:22 GMT
ABP for me. Except Megson. It would be armagedon if that cunt was appointed. why would you and your mate BOO We get it, you know how to use smileys. Berk. |
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Post by digger on Apr 23, 2013 22:56:25 GMT
you dont get fuck all berk
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 23:00:46 GMT
was told at the weekend, from someone who works at the club that Owen Coyle has been lined up
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2013 23:09:57 GMT
was told at the weekend, from someone who works at the club that Owen Coyle has been lined up Fuck me! I think I want to cry. |
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Post by bozlemandy on Apr 23, 2013 23:36:26 GMT
John Coates is rumoured to be in talks with Eddie Howe and Jason Tindall at AFC Bournemouth.
Sandbanks connection with 'Arry but believed to be TP swap with compensation so TP has honourable exit.
Http//:www.bournemouthargus&telegraph.co.uk
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2013 23:47:05 GMT
If Everton's interest was remotely serious don't you think he'd have signed for them though? As most players would? Name value and wages count for a lot as well. Moyes is one of the best-paid managers in the league, would we match that and give him bags of money to spend? How does that fit in with the academy and self-sufficiency drive or Cartwright's brief? If Everton had offered the same as Stoke I'm sure Owen would have signed for them which proves my point. Stoke have more financial clout then Everton! Or maybe Everton simply didn't think he was worth what he wanted ... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 7:11:44 GMT
If Everton's interest was remotely serious don't you think he'd have signed for them though? As most players would? Name value and wages count for a lot as well. Moyes is one of the best-paid managers in the league, would we match that and give him bags of money to spend? How does that fit in with the academy and self-sufficiency drive or Cartwright's brief? If Everton had offered the same as Stoke I'm sure Owen would have signed for them which proves my point. Stoke have more financial clout then Everton! That doesn't mean Everton couldn't have offered more though does it? Don't they pay significantly higher wages than us in general? |
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 24, 2013 7:19:24 GMT
If Everton had offered the same as Stoke I'm sure Owen would have signed for them which proves my point. Stoke have more financial clout then Everton! That doesn't mean Everton couldn't have offered more though does it? Don't they pay significantly higher wages than us in general? Everton pay very good wages for the paupers they claim to be. Arteta actually took a pay cut when he joined Arsenal! |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 24, 2013 7:30:03 GMT
Moyes could be at the stage of his career where staying at Everton could be a backward step. Stoke have far more financial clout at this time and although it would be a massive gamble for Moyes he could achieve more at Stoke than he could at Everton. It would be down to individuals at Stoke to sell the vision!! I don't buy this 'more financial clout' stuff. As a bigger club they're going to have more pull than us. They agreed a fee of around £9m for a player in January in a deal that only fell through due to a medical issue, and that was after bringing in the likes of Mirallas and Pienaar over the summer.Plus Coates has talked of reining in our spending and the perception of us is of a club stagnating, not going forward. Nobody with Moyes' reputation is going to leave a big club for a smaller one. It just doesn't happen. I have to agree with Rob here. There is zero chance that Moyes would swap Everton for Stoke. What would he gain from it? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 24, 2013 8:03:12 GMT
If we rule out Benitez for arguments sake. And include Bould as a left-field choice... Looks like Big Sam will stay on at the 'Ammers, and I can't see us attracting any in-work Prem managers? Are we then looking at a realistic field of:
OLD SCHOOL
O'Neill
Hughes
Bruce (if Hull don't go up)
McClaren
Di Matteo
Poyet (if Brighton don't go up)
Zola (if Watford don't go up)
Bould
Solskjaer
Neville
NEW SCHOOL
That's the shortlist at Bet 365 towers grapey. Does it make any antis soften to another year of Pulis? Ha!  I think that's going to be our lot if there isn't some unlikely Benitez scenario. Not a great list - like you, I probably think Hughes is a decent enough shout from the expected Coates types. That is unless we are going to buy a lottery ticket for one of these younger ones who advocate passing and stuff! It's asking a lot for a new man to come in and change the style in 6 weeks, so good luck with that...... Having said that, it's clear the squad does need pretty much a sledgehammer taking to it. We're going to need a complete overhaul in goal, out wide and at full-back = as well as probably at least one central midfielder and one striker. So the bottom line is this new group may as well learn the new manager's style as Pulisball? And we potentially do have a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity for a real change with the 7 players out of contract, as well as maybe Kightly and Palacios creating some genuine wage flexibility - as well as the Begovic/Sky money to spend I see someone was predicting Southampton would be looking at a £30m net spend this summer - so we're going to have to run to stand still regardless of who the manager is. It is starting to take on the dimensions of an era-defining summer though! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 24, 2013 8:11:54 GMT
John Coates is rumoured to be in talks with Eddie Howe and Jason Tindall at AFC Bournemouth. Sandbanks connection with 'Arry but believed to be TP swap with compensation so TP has honourable exit. Http//:www.bournemouthargus&telegraph.co.uk I really like Howe he's clearly a very intelligent man however I'd say he'd be more suited to managing us in the Championship than the PL. Wrong though it is I don't think he's a big enough name to attract players in the PL though I think he'd be a great no. 2 under an experienced manager who could groom him for the number 1 spot. Someone like Rafa or dare I say it Arry. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 8:22:23 GMT
If Everton had offered the same as Stoke I'm sure Owen would have signed for them which proves my point. Stoke have more financial clout then Everton! That doesn't mean Everton couldn't have offered more though does it? Don't they pay significantly higher wages than us in general? The modern day player can be swayed more so by the name of the manager than the name of the club, all we need is a change and clearout to attract a better standard of player. The right manager will raise the profile of the club. Would Adam Johnson of signed for Sunderland if Gary Megson had gone there? I don't think so. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 8:24:27 GMT
I don't buy this 'more financial clout' stuff. As a bigger club they're going to have more pull than us. They agreed a fee of around £9m for a player in January in a deal that only fell through due to a medical issue, and that was after bringing in the likes of Mirallas and Pienaar over the summer.Plus Coates has talked of reining in our spending and the perception of us is of a club stagnating, not going forward. Nobody with Moyes' reputation is going to leave a big club for a smaller one. It just doesn't happen. I have to agree with Rob here. There is zero chance that Moyes would swap Everton for Stoke. What would he gain from it? The opportunity to manouvre a lot more than he would at Everton in the transfer market and build a quality team. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2013 8:29:56 GMT
I have to agree with Rob here. There is zero chance that Moyes would swap Everton for Stoke. What would he gain from it? The opportunity to manouvre a lot more than he would at Everton in the transfer market and build a quality team. Surely the 20% drop in wage bill at Stoke would hamper him in other ways. You're talking about a man who could quite feasibly get a Champions League job. A complete non-starter. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2013 8:34:54 GMT
That's the shortlist at Bet 365 towers grapey. Does it make any antis soften to another year of Pulis? Ha! I think that's going to be our lot if there isn't some unlikely Benitez scenario. Not a great list - like you, I probably think Hughes is a decent enough shout from the expected Coates types. That is unless we are going to buy a lottery ticket for one of these younger ones who advocate passing and stuff! It's asking a lot for a new man to come in and change the style in 6 weeks, so good luck with that...... Having said that, it's clear the squad does need pretty much a sledgehammer taking to it. We're going to need a complete overhaul in goal, out wide and at full-back = as well as probably at least one central midfielder and one striker. So the bottom line is this new group may as well learn the new manager's style as Pulisball? And we potentially do have a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity for a real change with the 7 players out of contract, as well as maybe Kightly and Palacios creating some genuine wage flexibility - as well as the Begovic/Sky money to spend I see someone was predicting Southampton would be looking at a £30m net spend this summer - so we're going to have to run to stand still regardless of who the manager is. It is starting to take on the dimensions of an era-defining summer though! Agree entirely which means if the decision has been made, lets hope the new man is already in mind and can start thinking about it on May 20th or before if hes out of work. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 8:40:27 GMT
If we rule out Benitez for arguments sake. And include Bould as a left-field choice... Looks like Big Sam will stay on at the 'Ammers, and I can't see us attracting any in-work Prem managers? Are we then looking at a realistic field of:
OLD SCHOOL
O'Neill
Hughes
Bruce (if Hull don't go up)
McClaren
Di Matteo
Poyet (if Brighton don't go up)
Zola (if Watford don't go up)
Bould
Solskjaer
Neville
NEW SCHOOL
That's the shortlist at Bet 365 towers grapey. Does it make any antis soften to another year of Pulis? No, not at all. A change is needed or we'll just continue on this downward spiral. We've been promised evolution for too long, Pulis is obviously incapable of delivering it. He's tried at times, I'll give him a bit of credit for that. The bottom line is, the squad is a complete mess as it stands. We need a new manager and sweeping changes in the Summer. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 8:43:29 GMT
The opportunity to manouvre a lot more than he would at Everton in the transfer market and build a quality team. Surely the 20% drop in wage bill at Stoke would hamper him in other ways. You're talking about a man who could quite feasibly get a Champions League job. A complete non-starter. "Could" is a good word, I would say"hasn't got" is a better phrase. I agree with Numpty Forty, if the right offer was on the table it should sell itself as it would scream ambition, if in our position they can't tie a deal up with a top manager like Moyes (who is about to not even have a job as his contract runs out) then they should not be in a position of trying to sell it to him imo. With a bit of ambition & flexing of the financial muscle that we definatley do possess when & if we want too there is every chance we could attract Moyes imo. Again the club has a lot going for it, home based loyal owners, the club is in the black, we have financial muscle, a top of the range academy has been built, training facilities are top notch. The club is ready for someone like Moyes, all it needs is ambition and faith that over 5 years Moyes would deliver a quality team with very good backing. Or we stick with a Tony Pulis who has proved over 5 years that his success in the transfer market is as certain as hitting a bullseye with a blindfold on. Pulis is the waste of Money, this waste of cash could of gone to somebody who knows what to do with it, ever likely Coates is saying we need to cut our cloth when TP's transfer policies are ruling the roost. A 5 year contract and a guaranteed big wedge of cash will attract a lot of managers, David Moyes is the next rung on the ladder for us, like I say everything is in place and the T.V revenue is about to double, don't see the problem myself. |
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 24, 2013 8:46:16 GMT
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 8:48:52 GMT
What is the point in trying to build mountains on matchsticks, the single most important signing is the manager as he dictates how the team goes forward and what players we attract.
You pay for what you get.
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Apr 24, 2013 8:49:19 GMT
Last week we were all very worried about relegation we've won one match and people are talking about our next manager being Moyes or Benitez before our prem safety is assured get real guys its just not going to happen for lots of reasons but one of the main one being the financial fair play rules which I believe come in next season that Mr Coates helped draft which means you can only spend slightly more than you bring in through revenues which is why Aston Villa are doing what they are doing rather than trying to buy their way out of trouble. Talk of us being even in the same ball park as Everton or even Villa is ridiculous.
As for the people that are talking about McClaren and Holloway etc do you really want someone who has failed everywhere he has been including the national job or TP's best mate - not really.
I would imagine that Martinez will be high on the list of possible candidates he has kept Wigan in the Prem for years on a tiny budget and always managed to sell players on at a profit unlike our current incumbent who can't even give his signings away.
I would hope the board would also consider the Neville brothers as a partnership who are very knowledgeable and despite their success very down to earth and I hope they would also talk to Solskaer
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Post by rorymscfc on Apr 24, 2013 8:55:01 GMT
Is it worth adding Steve Holland to the list as an outsider?
Excellent track record when it comes to developing players, experience in managing big names & egos, must have accrued a very healthy set of connections over the last few years, well known & well thought of at Stoke by all accounts and his family are settled in Cheshire.
Would seem to fit our new philosophy if he is ready to move back up into management.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 8:55:19 GMT
Small time managerial appointment = Small time club with Small time ambition = uneeded difficulty to get the next standard of player = wasting lots of money trying to get something simalar to who you actually want (.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 9:04:19 GMT
That English coach at PSG has a very good reputation and supposedly wants a management job in English football. Might that be a decent left-field appointment for someone?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 24, 2013 10:18:03 GMT
was told at the weekend, from someone who works at the club that Owen Coyle has been lined up Dunno if you're being serious... But Beswicks seemed very close to Burnley doing his tenure there. And they seem to have remained close to him at Bolton. Not that it'll be the determining factor in the choice! |
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