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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 18:18:12 GMT
rob,
Sorry I got confused who was recommending who. We actually agree on MON and Sam, well there's a surprise.
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Post by Onneravineet on Apr 24, 2013 18:31:54 GMT
Jesus Rob, how can you say progressive with Bould?
Also MON wouldn't give much more over TP. His penchant for CBs at FB and a big lump (fucking Heskey) up front would be met with the same disdain as some of TPs issues. He also plays Midfielders at FB, Rose and Gardner both appeared there. I do think however he would fit in well with Coates and the squad wouldn't' need too much change to accommodate his style of play.
Bould on the other hand has achieved nothing. To me progressive would even be Davies from Crwho, perhaps even give Eddie Howe another shot at a move up North. Our club may suit him more as it is more like something he is accustomed to.
Before I'm asked my ultimate would be The baby faced assassin. I would also love to see Benitez (if we have a chance in hell). Both would obviously be potentially short term following success if a bigger team came calling. However I dare say IF TP had played a more attractive style that he'd have been head hunted before now. It's the way of the world...big fish eat little fish.
Failing a huge fall from grace akin to the Orange One Laudrup will be the next despite what he may say.
Personally I'd like to catch a manager on the up or one after a "new challenge" that can add to our solid foundations...even if they only play a small part in our progress.
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 24, 2013 18:43:40 GMT
MON based on what?
He's supposedly more stubborn than Pulis and a bigger control freak to boot, how would he fit in with Cartwright?
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Post by liathroid on Apr 24, 2013 18:47:49 GMT
The names I've seen suggested as a replacement for Pulis: Bruce, Neville, Di Matteo, Benitez, Martinez, McClaren, Coyle, Davis, Bould, O'Neill, Hughes, Poyet, Curbishley, Allardyce. Currently out of work, 5 Currently managing 7 No experience 2 Previously sacked by another Premier League Club 9 Never managed in the Premier League 4 On the basis Benitez would not be interested, who is the guy to take Stoke forward to a new era? people want to see fancy and passing football well Bould is about the best pick ,other than that keep TP |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 18:48:34 GMT
Look at Man. United. There's only one boss there, works pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 18:52:26 GMT
MON based on what? He's supposedly more stubborn than Pulis and a bigger control freak to boot, how would he fit in with Cartwright? He possibly wouldn't, which is a fair point. He has some similar qualities to TP but values pace, a proper front two and attacking midfielders, which all put him a notch up in my book. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 18:55:29 GMT
Jesus Rob, how can you say progressive with Bould? Also MON wouldn't give much more over TP. His penchant for CBs at FB and a big lump (fucking Heskey) up front would be met with the same disdain as some of TPs issues. He also plays Midfielders at FB, Rose and Gardner both appeared there. I do think however he would fit in well with Coates and the squad wouldn't' need too much change to accommodate his style of play. Bould on the other hand has achieved nothing. To me progressive would even be Davies from Crwho, perhaps even give Eddie Howe another shot at a move up North. Our club may suit him more as it is more like something he is accustomed to. Before I'm asked my ultimate would be The baby faced assassin. I would also love to see Benitez (if we have a chance in hell). Both would obviously be potentially short term following success if a bigger team came calling. However I dare say IF TP had played a more attractive style that he'd have been head hunted before now. It's the way of the world...big fish eat little fish. Failing a huge fall from grace akin to the Orange One Laudrup will be the next despite what he may say. Personally I'd like to catch a manager on the up or one after a "new challenge" that can add to our solid foundations...even if they only play a small part in our progress. Bould's been getting credit for his coaching work for years. I know it's not the same as management, but then I don't see how winning a couple of pots in Norway is any better grounding for the Premier League really? Howe didn't seem to do a huge amount at Burnley. I share the 'too much too soon' concerns about too drastic a change overnight from our current style to a passing game. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 24, 2013 19:05:26 GMT
MON based on what? He's supposedly more stubborn than Pulis and a bigger control freak to boot, how would he fit in with Cartwright? He possibly wouldn't, which is a fair point. He has some similar qualities to TP but values pace, a proper front two and attacking midfielders, which all put him a notch up in my book. Not for me I'm afraid, momentum is all important and I feel his has hit a brick wall. When you analyse the after effects of the job he did at Villa it begins to ring alarm bells. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 19:14:18 GMT
He possibly wouldn't, which is a fair point. He has some similar qualities to TP but values pace, a proper front two and attacking midfielders, which all put him a notch up in my book. Not for me I'm afraid, momentum is all important and I feel his has hit a brick wall. When you analyse the after effects of the job he did at Villa it begins to ring alarm bells. He certainly left them in a state and the fans there were fed up of him. You might've talked me out of the idea. |
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Post by geoffsalmons on Apr 24, 2013 19:17:49 GMT
How about Noel Blake?
Bit of history with the club, passing style and has a certain 'presence'
Safer option than bouldy to me
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 24, 2013 19:20:05 GMT
I thought it had been made pretty clear by one of Bould's friends that he isn't coming to Stoke or have I missed something recently?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 24, 2013 19:21:59 GMT
Chelsea interim manager Rafael Benitez is top of Monaco's wanted list. However, the 53-year-old is waiting to see what happens at Manchester City, Tottenham and Real Madrid. BBC Football 'Gossip'. It seems they forgot about Stoke!  |
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Post by geoffsalmons on Apr 24, 2013 19:23:12 GMT
Dunno just throwing names around!
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 19:23:54 GMT
What about Clive Woodward?
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Post by digger on Apr 24, 2013 19:39:37 GMT
what about martin jol
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2013 20:04:26 GMT
See Rob I don't get that. You must be more sentimental than me! Steve Bould has had one season as a number 2, and before that he was a Youth Team coach. We know absolutely nothing of his man management skills or footballing style. For all we know he could be more George Graham than Arsene Wenger. Would you seriously consider a candidate with that amount of managerial experience if it wasn't for the Stoke City connection? As for MoN, he looks like a spent force. Tone has looked positively upbeat compared to MoN in his last days at Sunderland. TP also got a win out of that massive game at QPR, just when we needed a result. MoN just looked like he'd gone. I would stick with TP before either of those two, and big Sam looks like a like for like swap. All risk and no benefit for me. Okey, Maybe Steve Clarke's success has influenced me but Bould has been involved in coaching for years, would largely unite the fans and would bring the ability to sort out a defence along with whatever he's picked up from Wenger. No guarantees and would be a huge gamble but would rather that over Gary Neville or someone like that. MON may well have lost his fight and have become a dinosaur. However, you could also argue that he has many of the same values as TP but believes in pace, which TP doesn't, and would be a step up in that case. He didn't have his midlands-based right hand man at Sunderland. Maybe we could reunite them and he'd come back swinging with a point to prove. Allardyce plays the game similarly to TP but at least can find some room for flair in his sides. I don't see an Okocha or Djorkaeff getting into a TP side and not even sure I see a Diame getting in. Uses full backs as well. some great points there I'm not buying the Allerdtce is more progressive than TP though His Blackburn side made TP's Stoke look like Brazil 70 Is it fair to say the perfect candidate to replace TP simply doesnt exist? I could live with RDM providing Holland comes with him or Bouldy (with right assistant {no ide who though!}) I could live with TP again but I accept that many fans won't anymore. If it' TP then I tyhink the minute we get a bad spell (as we will under any manager) then the crowd will turn very nasty very quickly & we will see full on protests as we did with Mills & Ball & then Jordan Then we are looking at a change mid season & that would be disasterous If we are going to change we need to do it in May |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2013 20:07:06 GMT
Bould-a good gamble.
Allardyce-I like.
MON-I'd rather eat shit.
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2013 20:16:35 GMT
Bould-a good gamble. Allardyce-I like. MON-I'd rather eat shit. I'd rather O'Nell (providing Robertson comes with him) than Big Sam me sen I cant see O'Neill not wanting a big budget though & I don't think SCFC are lookng for that next Academy players to be brought through is surely what the club will want which is why Bould (if Peter Coates is not choosing) is a candidate |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2013 20:20:42 GMT
Bould-a good gamble. Allardyce-I like. MON-I'd rather eat shit. I'd rather O'Nell (providing Robertson comes with him) than Big Sam me sen I cant see O'Neill not wanting a big budget though & I don't think SCFC are lookng for that next Academy players to be brought through is surely what the club will want which is why Bould (if Peter Coates is not choosing) is a candidate Big Sam isn't ideal but I think he isn't as negative as MON. And could take the current lot and make them good again if he had to, MON and TP couldn't/can't. Bould is a gamble, I wouldn't mind it given the reasons Rob suggests. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 24, 2013 20:20:54 GMT
So after 13 pages of speculation on the next manager, can I just confirm to all you nobody's who don't have any input into this decision. PULIS WILL STILL BE THE MANAGER NEXT SEASON. GET OVER IT and yes carry on being abusive and vulgar like mnay Stoke supporters when things don't go as you want it. Go back to your childhood for aminute and when your mummy siad yes little jonny if you stop crying I will buy you that ice cream, the best mummy's said NO you can'y always get what you want now stop blatting!!!
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 20:23:27 GMT
Old School Stokie,
The best post of the night.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 24, 2013 20:23:51 GMT
Bould-a good gamble. Allardyce-I like. MON-I'd rather eat shit. I'd rather O'Nell (providing Robertson comes with him) than Big Sam me sen I cant see O'Neill not wanting a big budget though & I don't think SCFC are lookng for that next Academy players to be brought through is surely what the club will want which is why Bould (if Peter Coates is not choosing) is a candidate If that really is the thinking, we can rule out the dinosaur candidates at a stroke. But, at the moment, all we have is guesswork. I suppose only time will tell. But if the likes of Bould, Di Matteo and Poyet are in the mix, it probably does point away from Peter Coates being the dominant voice in any selection? Mind you, who are the viable dino-candidates? Big Sam will surely stay at West Ham. O'Neill would probably get a mention. Is Hughes a dinosaur? It'd be harsh to give him that tag IMO. McClaren? Not really. Megsonasaurus and McLeishasaurus are extinct. The Holy Trinity of Dino-bosses are probably Big Sam, Big Tone and Big Martin. And, to be honest, I'd like a break from any of them. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 24, 2013 20:24:41 GMT
A couple of German managers don't look too bad..I'd check 'em out PC...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2013 20:25:58 GMT
Except what the fuck is blatting? Being a corrupt Swiss fucker who runs football? In that case You just go to Dad or the soft Grandparent and get ice cream anyway. Uncle Jooooooohn can we sack that mean man Tony please?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 20:30:03 GMT
So after 13 pages of speculation on the next manager, can I just confirm to all you nobody's who don't have any input into this decision. PULIS WILL STILL BE THE MANAGER NEXT SEASON. GET OVER IT and yes carry on being abusive and vulgar like mnay Stoke supporters when things don't go as you want it. Go back to your childhood for aminute and when your mummy siad yes little jonny if you stop crying I will buy you that ice cream, the best mummy's said NO you can'y always get what you want now stop blatting!!! Just out of interest, are there any circumstances in which you think Tony Pulis should leave the club? |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 24, 2013 20:32:58 GMT
Poor start and in the bottom three by end of October and he will step down, trust me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 20:34:41 GMT
Poor start and in the bottom three by end of October and he will step down, trust me. Why then and not now though? That'd make a new manager's job all the more difficult because he'd have spunked another wodge of cash on new players. |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 20:39:00 GMT
There's no need to worry about being in the bottom three. Tone's arranging for the pitch to be made narrower, the penalty box bigger and the crossbar lifted six inches, and you call him clueless.
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Post by digger on Apr 24, 2013 20:39:24 GMT
old school stokie, are you peter coates  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 20:40:14 GMT
There's no need to worry about being in the bottom three. Tone's arranging for the pitch to be made narrower, the penalty box bigger and the crossbar lifted six inches, and you call him clueless. Give it a rest. |
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