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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:02:34 GMT
But they're NOT doing that are they mate? They are judging Pulis on his time at Stoke (some good, some bad). It's not fair to highlight only the bad and then question why people are highlighting the bad points in those that are offered as alternatives. Pulis wasn't a failure 'first time around' at Stoke. He took over a right royal mess and kept them in the Championship, which was an achievement at the time. All managers have successes and failures and it's perfectly fair to discuss both. That goes, not only for Pulis, but for all those suggested as 'better options'. I can't begin to defend some of Pulis's actions/decisions but I also reserve the right to question some of the names mentioned on here (quite a lot of them actually). Why did Stoke City appoint him when we were a Championship club and he was a failed Championship manager? Why are we questioning managers when we've already employed someone with a mediocre at best record and achieved relative success? And Pulis DID fail first time around - OK he kept us up but he failed to push on despite being backed to the tune of over 35 new players in his first spell. The Dutch clown who took over from him achieved virtually the same in one season despite being left a total shit sandwich by the previous manager i.e. 9 first team players 3 weeks before the season kicked off. He's an average manager mate who's got lucky on the back of a massive warchest. The first thing the Icelanders did with the Dutch fella was give him ONE MILLION POUNDS to spend on a new striker who then set a new Stoke City scoring record if I remember rightly before disappearing. Pulis had, until then had to make do with basement bargains, imposed Icelandic players and loan signings. You are being totally unfair in your representation of his time. The Icelanders also pissed off the players so much that two of our better players decided to bugger off elsewhere. It was a nightmare trying to manage Stoke under those conditions and SC has said since that he wouldn't have left Stoke if the Icelanders hadn't been running the club. Pulis did an excellent job. |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 13:03:42 GMT
Dan,
That doesn't make it incorrect.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2013 13:04:13 GMT
Couldn't agree more, Doz. It's beginning to look like a cry for change just for change's sake. Even if we ignore the valid reasons of loyalty to a manager who has given us a fantastic rise from the bottom of the Championship, and who has delivered an effective and exciting team before, and who has a terrific working relationship with the Chairman, there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to replace TP with one of the names in this thread. I honestly don't see the benefits of change at this time. There will be changes to the squad in the summer, and I really can't see why TP isn't given the opportunity to make the changes to the squad to add goals to his established, competitive Premier League side. That is the main change to the playing style that everybody is clamouring for.But Okey, people were making this exact same argument, this time LAST season, after we were awful during the second half of it. He's now gone out and signed a whole load MORE players and look what's happened. We can't afford to keep giving the man more money to spend on players every summer, when each time we do, it gets worse. He's spent THIRTY FIVE MILLION since the cup final and we've become the lowest scorers in English football for two seasons running. He got it massively, massively wrong, you can't keep saying, ah forget about it again this time Tony, here's another load of cash me old mucka ... go and have another try. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:06:26 GMT
It is worrying that at a time when the club is such an attractive proposition to managers that the prospective pool is so shallow. The new man may fit like a glove and get his own team together swiftly and we have a decent season. Most likely though the manager will be human, patience will be needed and 16th/17th would have to be accepted as 'good enough' next season. It is very likely that no progress will be tangible by this time next year. Do we have the supporter mentality to deal with that? Well based purely on what I read on here mate I'd say clearly not. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 24, 2013 13:06:39 GMT
I can't believe anyone is serious about keeping Tone! Whoever we sign will be played in the wrong position and suddenly be "crap" We will play modified hoofball for another year and get fucking nowhere! One win against a disjointed side has changed nothing. Sorry, didn't realise we'd won one game in the Premier League. Don't you think it's fairer to judge what he's done over the whole of his time here rather than the last 12 months? Moyes had 2/3 seasons where Everton YES EVERTON came pretty close to the relegation scrap. I think they're pretty glad they didn't ditch him. I think we are lucky to still be in the Premier League, Doz, and while I take your point regarding Everton, I don't see Tone as having the same qualities as Moyes. I would have loved to see Tone push us on, because I like stability in a club. I just don't think he is capable of doing it. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2013 13:10:49 GMT
It is worrying that at a time when the club is such an attractive proposition to managers that the prospective pool is so shallow. The new man may fit like a glove and get his own team together swiftly and we have a decent season. Most likely though the manager will be human, patience will be needed and 16th/17th would have to be accepted as 'good enough' next season. It is very likely that no progress will be tangible by this time next year. Do we have the supporter mentality to deal with that? I think it very much depends on what his 'approach' is like mate ... Villa fans have in the main, been right behind Lambert all season. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2013 13:10:57 GMT
Why did Stoke City appoint him when we were a Championship club and he was a failed Championship manager? Why are we questioning managers when we've already employed someone with a mediocre at best record and achieved relative success? And Pulis DID fail first time around - OK he kept us up but he failed to push on despite being backed to the tune of over 35 new players in his first spell. The Dutch clown who took over from him achieved virtually the same in one season despite being left a total shit sandwich by the previous manager i.e. 9 first team players 3 weeks before the season kicked off. He's an average manager mate who's got lucky on the back of a massive warchest. The first thing the Icelanders did with the Dutch fella was give him ONE MILLION POUNDS to spend on a new striker who then set a new Stoke City scoring record if I remember rightly before disappearing. Pulis had, until then had to make do with basement bargains, imposed Icelandic players and loan signings. You are being totally unfair in your representation of his time. The Icelanders also pissed off the players so much that two of our better players decided to bugger off elsewhere. It was a nightmare trying to manage Stoke under those conditions and SC has said since that he wouldn't have left Stoke if the Icelanders hadn't been running the club. Pulis did an excellent job. He had to 'make do' with over 35 new players - virtually a team a season. His narrow minded approach to football got him the sack - he wasn't performing to the owners expectations. The very owners who rescued him from obscurity (where he would still be) and whom the manager slagged off in public. The man is a disgrace to football and plainly an unpleasant individual. How do you think he has performed since the Cup Final? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:11:18 GMT
Sorry, didn't realise we'd won one game in the Premier League. Don't you think it's fairer to judge what he's done over the whole of his time here rather than the last 12 months? Moyes had 2/3 seasons where Everton YES EVERTON came pretty close to the relegation scrap. I think they're pretty glad they didn't ditch him. I think we are lucky to still be in the Premier League, Doz, and while I take your point regarding Everton, I don't see Tone as having the same qualities as Moyes. I would have loved to see Tone push us on, because I like stability in a club. I just don't think he is capable of doing it. Mate, you may well be right and I really haven't argued too strongly against that opinion because I know he's made dreadful mistakes. It's a nightmare scenario for me mate because I'm naturally inclined to support the man but people do have valid arguments that it's hard to dismiss. I don't know mate, I really don't. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:15:09 GMT
The first thing the Icelanders did with the Dutch fella was give him ONE MILLION POUNDS to spend on a new striker who then set a new Stoke City scoring record if I remember rightly before disappearing. Pulis had, until then had to make do with basement bargains, imposed Icelandic players and loan signings. You are being totally unfair in your representation of his time. The Icelanders also pissed off the players so much that two of our better players decided to bugger off elsewhere. It was a nightmare trying to manage Stoke under those conditions and SC has said since that he wouldn't have left Stoke if the Icelanders hadn't been running the club. Pulis did an excellent job. He had to 'make do' with over 35 new players - virtually a team a season. His narrow minded approach to football got him the sack - he wasn't performing to the owners expectations. The very owners who rescued him from obscurity (where he would still be) and whom the manager slagged off in public. The man is a disgrace to football and plainly an unpleasant individual. How do you think he has performed since the Cup Final? "The man is a disgrace to football" End of debate mate, I'm sorry.  |
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Post by whereami on Apr 24, 2013 13:16:14 GMT
The idea of getting rid of a manager who has kept Stoke in the Premier League for five years is absurd. In my mind he has achieved a minor miracle in making Stoke both a respected and feared team. He is not the past, he is the future of Stoke City. How arent you banned yet? Even Strangeways and Stanners have more variety to their posts then you do, and have actually had more to say about Stoke City Football Club than you have. If you think keeping Stoke up with 100 million quid is a "minor miracle" you obviously think nothing of Stoke and have no consideration for our history. So you can fuck off, frankly. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2013 13:25:40 GMT
He had to 'make do' with over 35 new players - virtually a team a season. His narrow minded approach to football got him the sack - he wasn't performing to the owners expectations. The very owners who rescued him from obscurity (where he would still be) and whom the manager slagged off in public. The man is a disgrace to football and plainly an unpleasant individual. How do you think he has performed since the Cup Final? "The man is a disgrace to football" End of debate mate, I'm sorry. Fair enough, it's a strong opinion (and that's all it is) but it's how I feel about him and his approach to football. I make no apologies for that. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2013 13:35:43 GMT
The first thing the Icelanders did with the Dutch fella was give him ONE MILLION POUNDS to spend on a new striker who then set a new Stoke City scoring record if I remember rightly before disappearing. Pulis had, until then had to make do with basement bargains, imposed Icelandic players and loan signings. You are being totally unfair in your representation of his time. The Icelanders also pissed off the players so much that two of our better players decided to bugger off elsewhere. It was a nightmare trying to manage Stoke under those conditions and SC has said since that he wouldn't have left Stoke if the Icelanders hadn't been running the club. Pulis did an excellent job. He had to 'make do' with over 35 new players - virtually a team a season. His narrow minded approach to football got him the sack - he wasn't performing to the owners expectations. The very owners who rescued him from obscurity (where he would still be) and whom the manager slagged off in public. The man is a disgrace to football and plainly an unpleasant individual. How do you think he has performed since the Cup Final? Totally agree Pugs. Some valid points made. Doz come off it mate. You're showing nothing but blind faith and sod all evidence to suggest TP can change/evolve. It's pretty clear he can't take the club forward. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:36:35 GMT
"The man is a disgrace to football" End of debate mate, I'm sorry. Fair enough, it's a strong opinion (and that's all it is) but it's how I feel about him and his approach to football. I make no apologies for that. None needed mate. You probably know my posts and where I stand on Pulis. Yes I'm a loud supporter of his but I respect all views and I accept how annoying Pulis can be. I've often been critical of him and I'm certainly not naturally inclined to his view of football. My younger years were spent marveling at Greenhoff/Hudson and the like and so I'm not naturally too drawn to the football we play/don't play under Pulis. I understand the point you make Pugs but it's just not altogether fair IMO but you're entitled to your opinion and you certainly don't have to apologise for it. No probs mate. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 13:40:08 GMT
He had to 'make do' with over 35 new players - virtually a team a season. His narrow minded approach to football got him the sack - he wasn't performing to the owners expectations. The very owners who rescued him from obscurity (where he would still be) and whom the manager slagged off in public. The man is a disgrace to football and plainly an unpleasant individual. How do you think he has performed since the Cup Final? Totally agree Pugs. Some valid points made. Doz come off it mate. You're showing nothing but blind faith and sod all evidence to suggest TP can change/evolve. It's pretty clear he can't take the club forward. Rossi, I know mate. I really want to support the bloke but it's hard to argue with some very valid opinions on here. Nightmare time for me mate, it really is. Anyway, give me a break mate. I'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that Rolf Harris may not be the 'hero' I had him down as for all these years.   |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2013 13:56:23 GMT
Totally agree Pugs. Some valid points made. Doz come off it mate. You're showing nothing but blind faith and sod all evidence to suggest TP can change/evolve. It's pretty clear he can't take the club forward. Rossi, I know mate. I really want to support the bloke but it's hard to argue with some very valid opinions on here. Nightmare time for me mate, it really is. I can imagine how you're feeling mate. It would be like us bringing in Martinez or Poyet and then them being a total failure. I'd feel let down and totally gutted. It is certainly time to move on in the summer and it will be interesting to see who we go for. Who would you like to see Doz? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 14:08:34 GMT
Rossi, I know mate. I really want to support the bloke but it's hard to argue with some very valid opinions on here. Nightmare time for me mate, it really is. I can imagine how you're feeling mate. It would be like us bringing in Martinez or Poyet and then them being a total failure. I'd feel let down and totally gutted. It is certainly time to move on in the summer and it will be interesting to see who we go for. Who would you like to see Doz? That's my main problem mate because I really don't know. We've got lots of players that need to go but the bulk of our players will still be 'Pulis Type'. Unless we sign an awful lot of players in the window I think evolution will be a slow process. Whoever it is, I think we'll need a fair bit of patience. I'm not fudging the issue mate, I really don't know who I think would be best suited. OK, if I was to go for something of a 'safe' option, I'd probably got for someone like McClaren. There you go, now I'm open for all kinds of 'slagging'. F...king Hell Pulis, why couldn't you have just been a little more flexible?  |
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Post by whereami on Apr 24, 2013 14:08:37 GMT
Couldn't agree more, Doz. It's beginning to look like a cry for change just for change's sake. Even if we ignore the valid reasons of loyalty to a manager who has given us a fantastic rise from the bottom of the Championship, and who has delivered an effective and exciting team before, and who has a terrific working relationship with the Chairman, there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to replace TP with one of the names in this thread. I honestly don't see the benefits of change at this time. There will be changes to the squad in the summer, and I really can't see why TP isn't given the opportunity to make the changes to the squad to add goals to his established, competitive Premier League side. That is the main change to the playing style that everybody is clamouring for.He's now gone out and signed a whole load MORE players and look what's happened. We can't afford to keep giving the man more money to spend on players every summer, when each time we do, it gets worse. He's spent THIRTY FIVE MILLION since the cup final and we've become the lowest scorers in English football for two seasons running. He got it massively, massively wrong, you can't keep saying, ah forget about it again this time Tony, here's another load of cash me old mucka ... go and have another try. I've just had a look at the end of the last season. Guess who's prediction was closest to the mark? " Right then Im targeting 50pts at least Next.. Season now we wont have to be in the Europa League plus play better football like simply passing it at least twice in one game to a team mate under no pressure AT ALL because we will be so much 'Fresher' and Jon Walters can play EVERY LEAGUE game Yipppppppeeeeeeee!!! Is it possible? Or will Pulis just start with his same old record of 40pts then go from here.....then struggle like hell in getting there playing abysmal football along the way!? 'Try' to be positive Tony and talk us up instead of everyone else for Christ sake!!! I know what my money is on. I also expect Players in correct positions or is this to much to ask??? New signings in weak areas must be the aim this summer but i fear yet again that he will buy a striker and a centre-back for 20 odd mill but not play them like we have seen with Palacios and Jerome this term. NEXT SEASON WE EXPECT BETTER OR ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO DREAM TONY AND PLAY A BIT OF FOOTBALL???? No more excuses Tony that its 'our 344 game of the season' blah blah blah....Or the 'Trips abroad have killed us' blah blah...." "Can we then target 12 AWAY GOALS next season in our new strip or is this to much to ask,or again are we as fans expecting to much????" Step forward Jarhead! oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/192806/right-targeting-50pts-least-next |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 24, 2013 14:14:36 GMT
Couldn't agree more, Doz. It's beginning to look like a cry for change just for change's sake. Even if we ignore the valid reasons of loyalty to a manager who has given us a fantastic rise from the bottom of the Championship, and who has delivered an effective and exciting team before, and who has a terrific working relationship with the Chairman, there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to replace TP with one of the names in this thread. I honestly don't see the benefits of change at this time. There will be changes to the squad in the summer, and I really can't see why TP isn't given the opportunity to make the changes to the squad to add goals to his established, competitive Premier League side. That is the main change to the playing style that everybody is clamouring for.But Okey, people were making this exact same argument, this time LAST season, after we were awful during the second half of it. He's now gone out and signed a whole load MORE players and look what's happened. We can't afford to keep giving the man more money to spend on players every summer, when each time we do, it gets worse. He's spent THIRTY FIVE MILLION since the cup final and we've become the lowest scorers in English football for two seasons running. He got it massively, massively wrong, you can't keep saying, ah forget about it again this time Tony, here's another load of cash me old mucka ... go and have another try. Paul, we've had this debate before. Development is slow, difficult and doesn't always work out first time. Other factors, notably Etherington's injuries and Pennant's problems have contributed hugely to the team's failings. The only major signing that could be classed as a complete failure is Palacios, and on the face of it that looked a brilliant piece of business. We don't really know why he hasn't settled, got fit or whether he has had some psychological difficulties. That can happen to any club. Crouch made an excellent contribution last season (When Matty and JP were both in the top 5 crossers in the league) and the jury is still definitely out Adam and Kightly. Jerome and Cameron are really good "budget" squad players, Owen was a calculated low cost gamble and the other players are fringe players who cost next to nothing. I'm sure I must have missed somebody out because it doesn't seem to reach £35m. Maybe it includes Butland and Shea, which also look to be decent pieces of business. If you look at £35 million over 2 seasons it is comparable to say Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa, Fulham (?) and dwarfed by QPR. It's the cost of the Premier League I'm afraid. Our wage bill is also probably less than those clubs I've mentioned. Half of that figure is for 2 players, one of which is the real disaster. It also overlooks the increase in value of Begovic who may be sold at a significant profit this summer, or the massive increase in revenue which our now probable Premier League survival will bring. It's hardly a catastrophe, and I'm not even sure it is fair to say he's got it "massively, massively wrong". Premier League status over those 2 seasons put that into some perspective. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2013 14:15:45 GMT
I can imagine how you're feeling mate. It would be like us bringing in Martinez or Poyet and then them being a total failure. I'd feel let down and totally gutted. It is certainly time to move on in the summer and it will be interesting to see who we go for. Who would you like to see Doz? That's my main problem mate because I really don't know. We've got lots of players that need to go but the bulk of our players will still be 'Pulis Type'. Unless we sign an awful lot of players in the window I think evolution will be a slow process. Whoever it is, I think we'll need a fair bit of patience. I'm not fudging the issue mate, I really don't know who I think would be best suited. OK, if I was to go for something of a 'safe' option, I'd probably got for someone like McClaren. There you go, now I'm open for all kinds of 'slagging'. F...king Hell Pulis, why couldn't you have just been a little more flexible? Yeah I think you make some fair points there Doz. Agree that fans will have to be patient with regards to our league position. Pulis has put us in a right mess this season on and off the pitch. Big changes need to be made. The main thing next season has to be a change in style and further emphasis on bringing through younger players (similar to whats going on at Villa). Then survival in itself will be a success for me next season. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 24, 2013 14:20:49 GMT
When talking about Pulis arriving in November when we were down the bottom of the league, didn't Arry arrive ac QPR in November? So I think if you want a comparison it stares you in the face.
Anyway he will be here next season, so all this is wishful thinking and quite academic.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 14:29:48 GMT
When talking about Pulis arriving in November when we were down the bottom of the league, didn't Arry arrive ac QPR in November? So I think if you want a comparison it stares you in the face. Anyway he will be here next season, so all this is wishful thinking and quite academic. We will look back on this as a missed opportunity imo if we don't change this summer, there are some very capable managers out of work at the moment. The time is now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 14:34:20 GMT
But Okey, people were making this exact same argument, this time LAST season, after we were awful during the second half of it. He's now gone out and signed a whole load MORE players and look what's happened. We can't afford to keep giving the man more money to spend on players every summer, when each time we do, it gets worse. He's spent THIRTY FIVE MILLION since the cup final and we've become the lowest scorers in English football for two seasons running. He got it massively, massively wrong, you can't keep saying, ah forget about it again this time Tony, here's another load of cash me old mucka ... go and have another try. Paul, we've had this debate before. Development is slow, difficult and doesn't always work out first time. Other factors, notably Etherington's injuries and Pennant's problems have contributed hugely to the team's failings. The only major signing that could be classed as a complete failure is Palacios, and on the face of it that looked a brilliant piece of business. We don't really know why he hasn't settled, got fit or whether he has had some psychological difficulties. That can happen to any club. Crouch made an excellent contribution last season (When Matty and JP were both in the top 5 crossers in the league) and the jury is still definitely out Adam and Kightly. Jerome and Cameron are really good "budget" squad players, Owen was a calculated low cost gamble and the other players are fringe players who cost next to nothing. I'm sure I must have missed somebody out because it doesn't seem to reach £35m. Maybe it includes Butland and Shea, which also look to be decent pieces of business. If you look at £35 million over 2 seasons it is comparable to say Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa, Fulham (?) and dwarfed by QPR. It's the cost of the Premier League I'm afraid. Our wage bill is also probably less than those clubs I've mentioned. Half of that figure is for 2 players, one of which is the real disaster. It also overlooks the increase in value of Begovic who may be sold at a significant profit this summer, or the massive increase in revenue which our now probable Premier League survival will bring. It's hardly a catastrophe, and I'm not even sure it is fair to say he's got it "massively, massively wrong". Premier League status over those 2 seasons put that into some perspective. 'Just the cost of the Premier League?' We've spent £50m plus in two seasons on 12 players, just two of them have established themselves in the team. I don't get the 'we've tried to change' stuff. Take Charlie Adam, who hasn't played regularly, out of the equation (and he's been shoehorned into an existing role that doesn't suit him) and how have we exactly? Why did we even need to after the cup final? Pulis hasn't got it massively massively wrong despite us swapping genuine signs of evolution and top half potential for the goalscoring wooden spoon (twice) and an 18 month slide towards being relegation contenders? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2013 14:36:03 GMT
But Okey, people were making this exact same argument, this time LAST season, after we were awful during the second half of it. He's now gone out and signed a whole load MORE players and look what's happened. We can't afford to keep giving the man more money to spend on players every summer, when each time we do, it gets worse. He's spent THIRTY FIVE MILLION since the cup final and we've become the lowest scorers in English football for two seasons running. He got it massively, massively wrong, you can't keep saying, ah forget about it again this time Tony, here's another load of cash me old mucka ... go and have another try. Paul, we've had this debate before. Development is slow, difficult and doesn't always work out first time. Other factors, notably Etherington's injuries and Pennant's problems have contributed hugely to the team's failings. The only major signing that could be classed as a complete failure is Palacios, and on the face of it that looked a brilliant piece of business. We don't really know why he hasn't settled, got fit or whether he has had some psychological difficulties. That can happen to any club. Crouch made an excellent contribution last season (When Matty and JP were both in the top 5 crossers in the league) and the jury is still definitely out Adam and Kightly. Jerome and Cameron are really good "budget" squad players, Owen was a calculated low cost gamble and the other players are fringe players who cost next to nothing. I'm sure I must have missed somebody out because it doesn't seem to reach £35m. Maybe it includes Butland and Shea, which also look to be decent pieces of business. If you look at £35 million over 2 seasons it is comparable to say Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa, Fulham (?) and dwarfed by QPR. It's the cost of the Premier League I'm afraid. Our wage bill is also probably less than those clubs I've mentioned. Half of that figure is for 2 players, one of which is the real disaster. It also overlooks the increase in value of Begovic who may be sold at a significant profit this summer, or the massive increase in revenue which our now probable Premier League survival will bring. It's hardly a catastrophe, and I'm not even sure it is fair to say he's got it "massively, massively wrong". Premier League status over those 2 seasons put that into some perspective. I disagree with virtually everything you've written there okey but I won't go through it item by item, as the fact that we have been THE LOWEST SCORERS IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL FOR TWO SEASONS RUNNING AFTER SPENDING £35 MILLION ON PLAYERS, pretty much covers it. A couple of your posts from last summer ... What evidence is there that we are suddenly incapable of turning our form around? To me, recent history would suggest the opposite, and that we will turn it around after this dificult run of fixtures. Don't underestimate Tony. He's forgotten more than we know about football. He'll tweak a few thing and get it right again. You're saying exactly the same stuff now as you were at the start of the season, will you be saying it all over again next year and the year after that and the year after ... |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 14:49:48 GMT
Davef mentioned my favourite manager Brian Clough, here's a telling quote from the great man.
" Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes "
Great stuff.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2013 14:51:47 GMT
" someone please post some sensible names please " They can't find a suitable candidate, that's the problem. Already have, Bruce. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 14:51:53 GMT
Davef mentioned my favourite manager Brian Clough, here's a telling quote from the great man. " Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes " Great stuff. Spoken by a guy that got left behind when the game moved on? |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 24, 2013 14:56:34 GMT
I can imagine how you're feeling mate. It would be like us bringing in Martinez or Poyet and then them being a total failure. I'd feel let down and totally gutted. It is certainly time to move on in the summer and it will be interesting to see who we go for. Who would you like to see Doz? That's my main problem mate because I really don't know. We've got lots of players that need to go but the bulk of our players will still be 'Pulis Type'. Unless we sign an awful lot of players in the window I think evolution will be a slow process. Whoever it is, I think we'll need a fair bit of patience. I'm not fudging the issue mate, I really don't know who I think would be best suited. OK, if I was to go for something of a 'safe' option, I'd probably got for someone like McClaren. There you go, now I'm open for all kinds of 'slagging'. F...king Hell Pulis, why couldn't you have just been a little more flexible? We really are Catch 22 now. The squad we have is really only suited to one manager I can think of. TP. You could say that of most squads created by a manager over a longish period but in Tone's it's more of an acute problem because of his stubborn approach and the fact that he's very old school. I genuinely fear for us if we bring in a Martinez/Di Matteo who will have to work with a squad alien to what they have seen in the past. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 24, 2013 14:59:58 GMT
Davef mentioned my favourite manager Brian Clough, here's a telling quote from the great man. " Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes " Great stuff. Here's one more. “If God had wanted us to play football in the sky, He'd have put grass up there.” You fell into that one. Clough would have detested Pulis. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 24, 2013 15:00:43 GMT
Is it £35m or £50m?!! Of those players I would say that all the major signings but Palacios have made a contribution.
If you disagree with everything I've said, your are entitled to hold that opinion. Presumably, therefore, at the time you thought Palacios was a terrible signing and that Crouch, Adam, Kightly, Jerome, Butland and Shea are also bad signings. You also don't seem to think that the problems with Etherington and Pennant have made any difference to the team. You presumably don't accept that our wage budget is comparable or lower than the clubs I mentioned, and that every signing is a risk, and that it can sometimes go wrong for any club.
OK. Looks like that is your position.
I still stand by my comments that TP has demonstrated a strong track record over his tenure and is capable of sorting out our problems. After all he's the bloke who has made a 35 year plus career out of professional football as opposed to guys like us who simply watch from the stands but seem to know better than him.
I quite accept that the football has been poor and ineffective in terms of goals scored. That's disappointing, but like I said, sometimes getting the balance right is hard. We shouldn't overlook the team's defensive capabilities and competitiveness.
Premier League status for a club like Stoke City is by no means a given, and in my opinion it is grossly unfair to say the manager has "got it massively, massively wrong" when it appears that we will be looking forward to our 6th season in this division.
Seems like we will have to agree to differ.
Edit - so sorry, forgot N'Zonzi in both posts. Presumably another bad signing?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 15:01:13 GMT
That's my main problem mate because I really don't know. We've got lots of players that need to go but the bulk of our players will still be 'Pulis Type'. Unless we sign an awful lot of players in the window I think evolution will be a slow process. Whoever it is, I think we'll need a fair bit of patience. I'm not fudging the issue mate, I really don't know who I think would be best suited. OK, if I was to go for something of a 'safe' option, I'd probably got for someone like McClaren. There you go, now I'm open for all kinds of 'slagging'. F...king Hell Pulis, why couldn't you have just been a little more flexible? We really are Catch 22 now. The squad we have is really only suited to one manager I can think of. TP. You could say that of most squads created by a manager over a longish period but in Tone's it's more of an acute problem because of his stubborn approach and the fact that he's very old school. I genuinely fear for us if we bring in a Martinez/Di Matteo who will have to work with a squad alien to what they have seen in the past. The squad could be utilised in different ways in my opinion. You could play a proper 3 man midfield and play Adam in his correct position. You bring wingers into the side (Pennant, Ethers, Shea, Kightly). You could play somebody up top, closer to Crouch or KJ. You could give Palacios a go, assuming the only reason he hasn't so far is his inability to play in "the cage". |
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