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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 12:25:51 GMT
Loving this thread  Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 24, 2013 12:26:37 GMT
" someone please post some sensible names please " They can't find a suitable candidate, that's the problem. There isn't a vacancy yet. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 12:28:02 GMT
" someone please post some sensible names please " They can't find a suitable candidate, that's the problem. Why do you persist on making things up? There are managers out of work, let alone in work with records far superior to the current manager. That's a FACT. To be fair Pugs, I think most are questioning some of the names that DON'T have a better record than Pulis. As others have said, it's always a bit of a gamble whoever you take on but it's fair that people should question those being offered up as replacements. I've accepted that, much as he has my support, it may well be time for Pulis to go but it's only right to ask the questions when our current manager is under such fire (however justified that my be). |
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 24, 2013 12:29:52 GMT
Loving this thread Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. It'll be roles reversed. PHW's will state the football is at least exciting as we crash to another 3-0 defeat or Rimmer's will state that tip tappy football is shite despite scoring more and winning games away from home. Much like Boskamp's reign. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 24, 2013 12:30:13 GMT
Rob, this League has really compacted. You know as well as I do that next season could easily see West Brom and Swansea in a relegation scrap.
Look at Newcastle this season. They could well be the team that finishes just above Wigan and Villa in 16th. They were 5th last season.
We're currently just 5 points behind Swansea and we've been on our worst run in 5 years with confidence at an all time low and key players injured or absent. We went 10 games unbeaten before Christmas. It's going to be like this for a few years, with everyone below Liverpool making survival their first priority. The margins between success and failure are very fine.
In many ways it's another good reason to stick with the mentally tough Pulis.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 12:33:50 GMT
There are only, two in my opinion: 1. Rafael Benitez 2. Ian Holloway Won't happen though as Tony Pulis will stay (thankfully). EDIT: Roberto Martinez?! You've got to be joking, surely? Steve Bould, I can see it working out alright, but he won't make us a top-half side. I don't get the love in with Ian Holloway at all, 1 very unlucky season with Blackpool and a take no prisoners attack because we cant defend approach and suddenly he is the best thing since sliced bread. |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 12:35:05 GMT
Loving this thread Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. It'll be roles reversed. PHW's will state the football is at least exciting as we crash to another 3-0 defeat or Rimmer's will state that tip tappy football is shite despite scoring more and winning games away from home. Much like Boskamp's reign. Can't we have a happy medium? |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2013 12:35:57 GMT
Why do you persist on making things up? There are managers out of work, let alone in work with records far superior to the current manager. That's a FACT. To be fair Pugs, I think most are questioning some of the names that DON'T have a better record than Pulis. As others have said, it's always a bit of a gamble whoever you take on but it's fair that people should question those being offered up as replacements. I've accepted that, much as he has my support, it may well be time for Pulis to go but it's only right to ask the questions when our current manager is under such fire (however justified that my be). I find it amazing that people are questioning clearly decent managers but championing a bloke who was rescued off the football scrapheap (he was on it for 2 years) and who had failed at two previous clubs and at Stoke the first time around and is beginning to fail again. Of course changing the manager is a gamble - aren't we at the point where keeping the current incumbent a gamble as well, given his shocking performance since the Cup Final? |
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 12:36:20 GMT
Loving this thread Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. It'll be roles reversed. PHW's will state the football is at least exciting as we crash to another 3-0 defeat or Rimmer's will state that tip tappy football is shite despite scoring more and winning games away from home. Much like Boskamp's reign. That's what you would think should happen but individual human nature is much more important than lone strikers, and proper full backs and young players here. Make a list and give it 6 months and see who is in which camp. People who back the manager today will be backing the new manager and people who slag the manager today will be slagging the new manager. That's how it works. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:37:30 GMT
Loving this thread Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. This is bizarre logic that has been proven not to be the case in practice. |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 24, 2013 12:38:51 GMT
Eddie Howe only just returned to Bournemouth for personal, family reasons.
Would he really upsticks again considering there was an apparent "homesickness" up at Burnley? the guy dropped a league to make a return happen.
Cannot see how he would take over at Stoke considering his strong connection to Bournemouth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:39:36 GMT
Rob, this League has really compacted. You know as well as I do that next season could easily see West Brom and Swansea in a relegation scrap. Look at Newcastle this season. They could well be the team that finishes just above Wigan and Villa in 16th. They were 5th last season. We're currently just 5 points behind Swansea and we've been on our worst run in 5 years with confidence at an all time low and key players injured or absent. We went 10 games unbeaten before Christmas. It's going to be like this for a few years, with everyone below Liverpool making survival their first priority. The margins between success and failure are very fine. In many ways it's another good reason to stick with the mentally tough Pulis. By the same logic, a team that gets it together and has some ambition could therefore really go places. A bloke who's forgotten what makes his system work but can't bring himself to change it regardless, isn't going to be a lot of use to us. We're not unlucky to be in this mess because of a 'compacted league', we're in this mess because we're crap and have been for a while. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 12:43:00 GMT
Loving this thread Wankstains queueing up to take lumps out of one another about the choice of the new manager before we even know there will be one. Proof positive, not that it were needed, of what I have said all along that the same folks will be on the new bosses case just as much as they are on the case of the current one. This is bizarre logic that has been proven not to be the case in practice. Patience, we haven't tested it yet! I don't deny there will be a short cooling off period, then when (surprise surprise) we are still finding this whole Premier League thing hard work the gloves will be off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:44:39 GMT
This is bizarre logic that has been proven not to be the case in practice. Patience, we haven't tested it yet! I don't deny there will be a short cooling off period, then when (surprise surprise) we are still finding this whole Premier League thing hard work the gloves will be off. As people have said though, with the one 'test case' we currently have, the exact opposite happened and you had Tazi proudly claiming to have booed Boskamp at his first game and Mumf supporting Plymouth. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 12:45:02 GMT
To be fair Pugs, I think most are questioning some of the names that DON'T have a better record than Pulis. As others have said, it's always a bit of a gamble whoever you take on but it's fair that people should question those being offered up as replacements. I've accepted that, much as he has my support, it may well be time for Pulis to go but it's only right to ask the questions when our current manager is under such fire (however justified that my be). I find it amazing that people are questioning clearly decent managers but championing a bloke who was rescued off the football scrapheap (he was on it for 2 years) and who had failed at two previous clubs and at Stoke the first time around and is beginning to fail again. Of course changing the manager is a gamble - aren't we at the point where keeping the current incumbent a gamble as well, given his shocking performance since the Cup Final? But they're NOT doing that are they mate? They are judging Pulis on his time at Stoke (some good, some bad). It's not fair to highlight only the bad and then question why people are highlighting the bad points in those that are offered as alternatives. Pulis wasn't a failure 'first time around' at Stoke. He took over a right royal mess and kept them in the Championship, which was an achievement at the time. All managers have successes and failures and it's perfectly fair to discuss both. That goes, not only for Pulis, but for all those suggested as 'better options'. I can't begin to defend some of Pulis's actions/decisions but I also reserve the right to question some of the names mentioned on here (quite a lot of them actually). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:47:24 GMT
That's football Gods.
If you want something less controversial, take up knitting.
Opinions will always be divided.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 24, 2013 12:50:04 GMT
There are plenty of viable candidates if you take your head out of the current Managers backside. The manager had a very mediocre record in the Championship before he came to Stoke (TWICE) - now people are debating whether established PL managers are up to the job ffs. Allardyce, McLaren, Hughes would piss the job. I can't believe anyone is serious about keeping Tone! Whoever we sign will be played in the wrong position and suddenly be "crap" We will play modified hoofball for another year and get fucking nowhere! One win against a disjointed side has changed nothing. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 12:51:00 GMT
That's football Gods. If you want something less controversial, take up knitting. Opinions will always be divided. Bizarre post? |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 12:51:43 GMT
The idea of getting rid of a manager who has kept Stoke in the Premier League for five years is absurd. In my mind he has achieved a minor miracle in making Stoke both a respected and feared team.
He is not the past, he is the future of Stoke City.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 12:53:41 GMT
The idea of getting rid of a manager who has kept Stoke in the Premier League for five years is absurd. In my mind he has achieved a minor miracle in making Stoke both a respected and feared team. He is not the past, he is the future of Stoke City. Yes we are so feared we are on the brink of relegation. Pulis and his methods have been sussed we are no longer a feared team. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2013 12:53:59 GMT
I find it amazing that people are questioning clearly decent managers but championing a bloke who was rescued off the football scrapheap (he was on it for 2 years) and who had failed at two previous clubs and at Stoke the first time around and is beginning to fail again. Of course changing the manager is a gamble - aren't we at the point where keeping the current incumbent a gamble as well, given his shocking performance since the Cup Final? But they're NOT doing that are they mate? They are judging Pulis on his time at Stoke (some good, some bad). It's not fair to highlight only the bad and then question why people are highlighting the bad points in those that are offered as alternatives. Pulis wasn't a failure 'first time around' at Stoke. He took over a right royal mess and kept them in the Championship, which was an achievement at the time. All managers have successes and failures and it's perfectly fair to discuss both. That goes, not only for Pulis, but for all those suggested as 'better options'. I can't begin to defend some of Pulis's actions/decisions but I also reserve the right to question some of the names mentioned on here (quite a lot of them actually). Why did Stoke City appoint him when we were a Championship club and he was a failed Championship manager? Why are we questioning managers when we've already employed someone with a mediocre at best record and achieved relative success? And Pulis DID fail first time around - OK he kept us up but he failed to push on despite being backed to the tune of over 35 new players in his first spell. The Dutch clown who took over from him achieved virtually the same in one season despite being left a total shit sandwich by the previous manager i.e. 9 first team players 3 weeks before the season kicked off. He's an average manager mate who's got lucky on the back of a massive warchest. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 24, 2013 12:54:33 GMT
There are plenty of viable candidates if you take your head out of the current Managers backside. The manager had a very mediocre record in the Championship before he came to Stoke (TWICE) - now people are debating whether established PL managers are up to the job ffs. Allardyce, McLaren, Hughes would piss the job. I can't believe anyone is serious about keeping Tone! Whoever we sign will be played in the wrong position and suddenly be "crap" We will play modified hoofball for another year and get fucking nowhere! One win against a disjointed side has changed nothing. Sorry, didn't realise we'd won one game in the Premier League. Don't you think it's fairer to judge what he's done over the whole of his time here rather than the last 12 months? Moyes had 2/3 seasons where Everton YES EVERTON came pretty close to the relegation scrap. I think they're pretty glad they didn't ditch him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:56:11 GMT
That's football Gods. If you want something less controversial, take up knitting. Opinions will always be divided. Bizarre post? That's exactly what I thought when I saw your "how hilarious, lol, all the haters arguing over who the new manager should be lolz". |
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Post by stockportstokie on Apr 24, 2013 12:56:33 GMT
It'll be roles reversed. PHW's will state the football is at least exciting as we crash to another 3-0 defeat or Rimmer's will state that tip tappy football is shite despite scoring more and winning games away from home. Much like Boskamp's reign. That's what you would think should happen but individual human nature is much more important than lone strikers, and proper full backs and young players here. Make a list and give it 6 months and see who is in which camp. People who back the manager today will be backing the new manager and people who slag the manager today will be slagging the new manager. That's how it works. It patently didn't happen when put to the test during the Boskamp 'era'. You'll get people who will criticise regardless, but to suggest the likes of March (bless him) will be happy after a few months of 'passing' football is foolhardy. |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 24, 2013 12:57:19 GMT
The idea of getting rid of a manager who has kept Stoke in the Premier League for five years is absurd. In my mind he has achieved a minor miracle in making Stoke both a respected and feared team. He is not the past, he is the future of Stoke City.Oh please....now come on Geoff that statement is utterly stupid. I think even the hardest rimmer would struggle to agree with that. Our footballing style is no longer respected and we certainly are not feared by anyone. Tell me you dont really think that, your not fishing by any chance are you?!? |
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 12:58:36 GMT
The idea of getting rid of a manager who has kept Stoke in the Premier League for five years is absurd. In my mind he has achieved a minor miracle in making Stoke both a respected and feared team. He is not the past, he is the future of Stoke City.Oh please....now come on Geoff that statement is utterly stupid. I think even the hardest rimmer would struggle to agree with that. Tell me you dont really think that, your not fishing by any chance are you?!? I think he's Walters  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2013 12:58:58 GMT
It is worrying that at a time when the club is such an attractive proposition to managers that the prospective pool is so shallow. The new man may fit like a glove and get his own team together swiftly and we have a decent season. Most likely though the manager will be human, patience will be needed and 16th/17th would have to be accepted as 'good enough' next season. It is very likely that no progress will be tangible by this time next year. Do we have the supporter mentality to deal with that?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 24, 2013 12:59:43 GMT
Dan,
I'm not bothered who agrees with me, I'm posting what I believe to be correct.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 24, 2013 13:01:04 GMT
It is worrying that at a time when the club is such an attractive proposition to managers that the prospective pool is so shallow. The new man may fit like a glove and get his own team together swiftly and we have a decent season. Most likely though the manager will be human, patience will be needed and 16th/17th would have to be accepted as 'good enough' next season. It is very likely that no progress will be tangible by this time next year. Do we have the supporter mentality to deal with that? Yes if it is a manager with pedigree who knows how to put a decent & watchable football team together, he has my support anyway whoever it may be, Pulis is stale, the club needs a lift. |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 24, 2013 13:01:55 GMT
Dan, I'm not bothered who agrees with me, I'm posting what I believe to be correct. Surely you understand that people wont believe what your saying is correct? |
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