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Post by kevkj on Feb 7, 2013 21:58:08 GMT
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Feb 7, 2013 22:20:48 GMT
Nice little piece that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 22:48:15 GMT
The Victoria Ground was closed after a game against Vale in 1912....so the lads causing this ruck in 1966 would have been the Grandchildren of the original N40
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 23:29:04 GMT
A very good player was David Nish
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Post by ned on Feb 8, 2013 1:10:45 GMT
Yeah, David Nish was a good player. I guess the piece is what's termed hagiography: i.e. he wasn't that bloody good.
The match report was in keeping with the times - predictable and sleep inducing. How do you reduce a game of speed, skill, some thuggery (no doubt all Stoke), passion and excitement to ZZZZZZ. it went with times.
A bit like now really: reading the broadsheets and the red-tops coming out with the same predictable bullshit. There are, IMHO, a few exceptions. I can only think of one - Liew , on the Telegraph.
As SCFC fans we shouldn't care a fig. One of the best things Tony keeps saying is "why worry what others think?" Do the buggers on the grass. That's the only thing that matters. Oh, and being polite while you do it, of course. History and the rest of the flim flam can take care of itself.
"In the best possible taste".
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Post by prestonstokie on Feb 8, 2013 6:28:49 GMT
That report brought back a number of memories as this was one of my earliest away games. The days of massive away followings and certainly some partisan policing. Admission charge was all of two shillings (10p) and travel by PMT bus five shillings.
As was normal at the time the away fans arriving early would occupy the "home" end and there were several thousand Stokies in the Filbert Street end of the ground before the main Leicester support arrived.
What really triggered the violence on this occasion was that the local constabulary correctly identified Zigger Zagger as the "leader" of the Stoke support as he was as per usual hoisted on to someone's shoulders to lead the chanting.
Shortly after Stoke had taken the lead and Zigger was at work the Police moved in to remove him and it all took off. The terracing was pretty packed so for the police to intervene was just a little inflammatory. I can still picture him being carried out (rather unwillingly) by four police officers - each carrying an arm or a leg. They probably believed that his removal would calm everybody down. However this set the pattern for the afternoon and outbreaks of disorder carried on throughout the match - which despite the score of 4 - 2 was actually a close affair. As the match report confirmed the second half was just a procession of Stoke fans being ejected, although funnily enough very few Leicester fans. It was to set the tone for future visits to Leicester for a number of years.
The Stoke team of the time (though not young) was actually a good mix of class and tough nuts though our fans were always keen to give some of our own players a hard time. I recall the usual rendition of "Send Roy Vernon to Vietnam - Alleluia" chant starting as soon as the teams were announced. Poor old Roy really took some stick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 6:37:59 GMT
I can still picture him being carried out (rather unwillingly) by four police officers - each carrying an arm or a leg. what about the rest of him?
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Post by bristolpotter on Feb 8, 2013 7:40:59 GMT
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Post by bristolpotter on Feb 8, 2013 7:42:39 GMT
Bolton Wanderers - Stoke City - Cup - 09/03/1946
Tragedy hits an FA Cup tie between Bolton and Stoke when a wall supporting fans collapses at Burden Park. The collapse crushes spectators and sparks a stampede which kills 33 people and injures more than 400. // BBC 1980-еEdit Blackburn Rovers - Stoke City - 28/03/1986
A GANG of soccer hooligans laid siege to a Blackburn pub and caused more than £1,000 worth of damage. The Stoke City supporters rained house bricks through the windows of the Brewers Arms, Great Bolton Street, while terrified drinkers dived for cover. Landlady Mrs Margaret Rothwell, said: "It was terrifying. There were full bricks coming through the windows and glass flying everywhere." // Lancashire Evening Telegraph 1990-еEdit Birmingham City - Stoke City - 91/92
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Post by elystokie on Feb 8, 2013 8:13:06 GMT
That report brought back a number of memories as this was one of my earliest away games. The days of massive away followings and certainly some partisan policing. Admission charge was all of two shillings (10p) and travel by PMT bus five shillings. As was normal at the time the away fans arriving early would occupy the "home" end and there were several thousand Stokies in the Filbert Street end of the ground before the main Leicester support arrived. What really triggered the violence on this occasion was that the local constabulary correctly identified Zigger Zagger as the "leader" of the Stoke support as he was as per usual hoisted on to someone's shoulders to lead the chanting. Shortly after Stoke had taken the lead and Zigger was at work the Police moved in to remove him and it all took off. The terracing was pretty packed so for the police to intervene was just a little inflammatory. I can still picture him being carried out (rather unwillingly) by four police officers - each carrying an arm or a leg. They probably believed that his removal would calm everybody down. However this set the pattern for the afternoon and outbreaks of disorder carried on throughout the match - which despite the score of 4 - 2 was actually a close affair. As the match report confirmed the second half was just a procession of Stoke fans being ejected, although funnily enough very few Leicester fans. It was to set the tone for future visits to Leicester for a number of years. The Stoke team of the time (though not young) was actually a good mix of class and tough nuts though our fans were always keen to give some of our own players a hard time. I recall the usual rendition of "Send Roy Vernon to Vietnam - Alleluia" chant starting as soon as the teams were announced. Poor old Roy really took some stick. Really enjoyed reading that PS, far more than the article, any chance you could post some more stuff from that era? I was only ickle but used to get taken all home and some away games, it was often a bit 'spicey' iirc
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 8, 2013 9:11:27 GMT
I was at that game aged 14.
the away days was a real adrenalin rush,going into many home ends and taking the place over.Can anyone remember the wolves away,we took the lead 3-0,then wolves scored 3 and last minute alan bloor got the winner,think it was bloor.
Loads of us were in the north bank and when the team came out we all unzipped our jackets to show the stoke tops,did it kick off or what,and a police escort to the applauding mass of stokies in the south bank end,those were the days
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Post by sixbobstokie on Feb 8, 2013 10:04:11 GMT
I was at the Wolves game aged 16 and remember 'Taking' the North Bank, at least 'till the team came out and as hanibal says we were all thrown out. I remember being in the Boothen and Everton had been given half the stand for some reason with coppers dividing the two sets of fans. The whole game was spent watching each other as bottles were raining to and fro all through the game. Also one other unpleasant notable was when Leeds fans were up the Boothen and the Stokies ejected them causing a massive crush. It was an awful sight to see fans lying on the floor behind the stand blue in the face from the crush. Fortunately as far as i know no one was severely hurt though it was a close thing. Nice to hear Ziggers name again he was the focal point for the singing and chanting, just one more can anyone remember being on the buses that had their windows smashed at Elland Road around '68 not a pleasant trip home that on bloody freezing. Happy days indeed.
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Post by kevkj on Feb 8, 2013 10:28:07 GMT
Good posts folks,love hearing about the late 60s etc as it never really sems to get much airing. Weird times with no segregation etc i would have thought.
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Post by senorloquacious on Feb 8, 2013 13:09:50 GMT
Good posts folks,love hearing about the late 60s etc as it never really sems to get much airing. Weird times with no segregation etc i would have thought. Indeed Kev, however i am surprised that the PC brigade that frequent this forum arn't all over this thread with their usual knuckle dragger comments. Why is that do you think?
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 8, 2013 13:28:52 GMT
;D I can still picture him being carried out (rather unwillingly) by four police officers - each carrying an arm or a leg. what about the rest of him? ;D,good spot.
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Post by ihaveadream on Feb 8, 2013 13:40:25 GMT
The Victoria Ground was closed after a game against Vale in 1912....so the lads causing this ruck in 1966 would have been the Grandchildren of the original N40 Sorry Daily Mail, current society/the UK isn't suddenly degenerating into the abyss, there has always been "naughtiness" around.
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Post by kevkj on Feb 8, 2013 14:13:59 GMT
Hello Senor ,long time no see or hear. Personally i couldnt give a shit what most on here say or do. Very easy to make rash comments on here, from behind a keyboard. I loved football in the 70s and 80s a lot more than the sanatised shit today. ??? Probably cope better with todays enviroment now im older but in my view the tastes,smells,sights and sounds of the 70s were a memory i will never forget. From the first time i walked up those Stoke end steps and saw that lavish green i was hooked. Pipe and cigarette smoke,urine smelling bogs ,alsation dogs, a standing swaying Boothen all played a part for me and i loved it. Im glad i saw what saw in those years.Maybe being young ,wreckless and carefree helped. Some people say those days are better gone but i loved them. Whether i would like them to return is another matter as times and people change.Thats just life.
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Post by senorloquacious on Feb 8, 2013 15:14:44 GMT
Hello Senor ,long time no see or hear. Personally i couldnt give a shit what most on here say or do. Very easy to make rash comments on here, from behind a keyboard. I loved football in the 70s and 80s a lot more than the sanatised shit today. ??? Probably cope better with todays enviroment now im older but in my view the tastes,smells,sights and sounds of the 70s were a memory i will never forget. From the first time i walked up those Stoke end steps and saw that lavish green i was hooked. Pipe and cigarette smoke,urine smelling bogs ,alsation dogs, a standing swaying Boothen all played a part for me and i loved it. Im glad i saw what saw in those years.Maybe being young ,wreckless and carefree helped. Some people say those days are better gone but i loved them. Whether i would like them to return is another matter as times and people change.Thats just life. You can get help and support for any addiction in this day and age Kev whether it be alcohol drugs gambling sex whatever your demon is, everything that is except the addiction of being involved in a football Firm, just look at the suicide rate amongst the Lads we grew up with and the manner in which they chose to end thier lives is brutal, not one of them chose the over dose did they! Educate the youngster's to the real dangers and consequences of gang culture before they end up on the periphery of the carousel they'll never be able to step off!!
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Post by deliasmith on Feb 8, 2013 15:37:16 GMT
I was at this match - our equaliser was never offside, we should have got a draw.
I remember zigger zagger well. He was OK except that his "other" club was Rangers, so I am afraid he's repenting down in the hot coals now.
It was about this time that he started a chant "Zigger Zagger, Zigger Zagger" and we all replied "Shut your face", which seemed funny at the time.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Feb 8, 2013 16:06:08 GMT
Hello Senor ,long time no see or hear. Personally i couldnt give a shit what most on here say or do. Very easy to make rash comments on here, from behind a keyboard. I loved football in the 70s and 80s a lot more than the sanatised shit today. ??? Probably cope better with todays enviroment now im older but in my view the tastes,smells,sights and sounds of the 70s were a memory i will never forget. From the first time i walked up those Stoke end steps and saw that lavish green i was hooked. Pipe and cigarette smoke,urine smelling bogs ,alsation dogs, a standing swaying Boothen all played a part for me and i loved it. Im glad i saw what saw in those years.Maybe being young ,wreckless and carefree helped. Some people say those days are better gone but i loved them. Whether i would like them to return is another matter as times and people change.Thats just life. Agree totally. Great description, and exactly as I remember those times. My love for all things Stoke was based on those very same sights, sounds, smells experienced for the first time in the mid 60's. My favourite era was from mid 60's to mid 70's.Happy days indeed.
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Post by kevkj on Feb 8, 2013 16:22:15 GMT
Senor, What i would say is anyone mixed up in the gang culture at football nowadays is a FOOL. One way ticket to jail,smack someone outside a kebab shop any Saturday night and your getting a 300 fine. Even gathering at a footy match nowadays posturing, and your open to a charge.Attack someone and its 3 years in clink. The frightening thing is forget the gangside,just being their and having a few shandys and making a one off bad decision can see your liberty gone. Thats where our lads need educating,its a fools game. I would be gutted to see a son of mine jailed for a minor incident just because it happened at football. From what i see lately we have plenty of young lads trying to rebuild a era long gone.Whether it be on the back of bravado,alcohol or drugs they are risking a lot. Then again who am i to preach to them,just a worn out old has been who thinks too much.
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Post by chessie on Feb 8, 2013 16:26:36 GMT
deliasmith What do you mean by this bit? "I remember zigger zagger well. He was OK except that his "other" club was Rangers, so I am afraid he's repenting down in the hot coals now." If you mean he's deceased, it's news to me, saw him the other week, unless there's more than one Zigger Zagger
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Feb 8, 2013 16:32:57 GMT
I thought zigger was alive and well too.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 8, 2013 16:34:32 GMT
I remember walking back to Fenton accross the spare ground to a hail of bricks from Manu "fans". But to the report above we were 5th FFS! ;D ;D
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Post by Gods on Feb 8, 2013 17:09:05 GMT
deliasmith What do you mean by this bit? "I remember zigger zagger well. He was OK except that his "other" club was Rangers, so I am afraid he's repenting down in the hot coals now." If you mean he's deceased, it's news to me, saw him the other week, unless there's more than one Zigger Zagger I'll let delia answer for himself but I took the 'hot coals' to be a reference to the demise of Rangers rather than Zigger Zagger.
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Post by Gods on Feb 8, 2013 17:23:30 GMT
As for the whole hoolie thing it seemed bigger than the game at the time. It was like it was the game and the play on the pitch was secondary. If you went to an away game and someone asked you what it was like they generally weren't wanting to know if we played 4-4-2 with 1 in the hole or not.
Having said that I've never hit anyone in my life but I was thereabouts at many of the major flash points down the years and have been attacked by West Ham, Man City and Birmingham City fans. Unlike many folks I have no difficulty seeing why it was such an adrenalin rush for many and that like any adrenalin rush I have no difficulty believing it can be addictive.
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Post by dickier on Feb 8, 2013 17:57:50 GMT
I can remember being there mainly because of all the ruckus. One scene still sticks vividly in my mind, - one of our lads was in a tussle with a Leicester fan, and he was wearing a red and white "viking" helmet, I can still see him trying to nut the Leicester guy in the face with one of the horns on the side of his helmet. Can anyone remember him?
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Post by castlecooperman on Feb 8, 2013 18:01:30 GMT
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Post by castlecooperman on Feb 8, 2013 18:10:09 GMT
yes i was there as a 14year old,my mate Barney was thrown out and beaten up by the police for no reason other than being a stoke fan,happy days
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 9, 2013 2:14:39 GMT
I was at the Wolves game aged 16 and remember 'Taking' the North Bank, at least 'till the team came out and as hanibal says we were all thrown out. I remember being in the Boothen and Everton had been given half the stand for some reason with coppers dividing the two sets of fans. The whole game was spent watching each other as bottles were raining to and fro all through the game. Also one other unpleasant notable was when Leeds fans were up the Boothen and the Stokies ejected them causing a massive crush. It was an awful sight to see fans lying on the floor behind the stand blue in the face from the crush. Fortunately as far as i know no one was severely hurt though it was a close thing. Nice to hear Ziggers name again he was the focal point for the singing and chanting, just one more can anyone remember being on the buses that had their windows smashed at Elland Road around '68 not a pleasant trip home that on bloody freezing. Happy days indeed. A nasty day if my memory serves me right,bloody freezing,a few of them in my time lol.Remember knicking scarves off fans,and attaching them to your wrist or lapel of the bus jackets lol.I had a man city and leeds one,so i was well arrrrrrrrrrd hehehehe
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