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Post by kilgore on Jan 29, 2013 15:11:06 GMT
Dunno, Bayern. I think Mackie plus £4m would see us come out easily on the right side of the deal. But Redknapp normally knows what he's doing, so maybe we're (or at least I'm!) missing something! I wouldn't pay more than 500k for Mackie but he's got Premier League experience, scored some goals etc so has got to be worth a million or two. That is a decent deal, I just don't want another hard worker devoid of skill in the attacking third. I'm sick to the back teeth of them. He's massively underrated is Mackie, i'd snap QPR's hand off for that deal if what is to be read in the article FullerMagic posted is true! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:11:20 GMT
If he's seeing Mackie as a right-mid candidate and it meant SJW back in the right place, this has all the hallmarks of a cracking idea! Yeah 2 out of the 4 attacking positions filled with 'ard working plodders. Amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:11:51 GMT
Another nail in Pulis' coffin if this shit is true.
Another championship plodder to go with all the others we have in our ranks.
The thought of seeing Mackie running round Walters style in a Stoke shirt makes me want to kill myself.
Swapping Crouch for Mackie would be one of Pulis' worst piss takes out of em all and would only weaken our squad even further.
Why the fuck can't we look around Europe and pick up some premier league standard players like others seem to do?
Oh I remember,it's because we have a dinosaur in charge doing his yearly impression of the thickest T-Rex that ever roamed the earth.
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Post by tonedepear on Jan 29, 2013 15:12:37 GMT
If he's seeing Mackie as a right-mid candidate and it meant SJW back in the right place, this has all the hallmarks of a cracking idea! Yeah 2 out of the 4 attacking positions filled with 'ard working plodders. Amazing. 'ard working plodders IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS though? Baby steps... (of course I accept that what would actually happen is Adam and Mackie up front, and Walters on the right. ) |
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Post by Foster on Jan 29, 2013 15:13:25 GMT
How many years was the Crouch contract? 3 or 4?
Let's say 3 for arguments sake... and that after these years he'd retire - so no resale value. Let's also consider wages irrelevant. In fact, any flaws you can find with the below logic can be deemed irrelevant for my example.
If you consider the 10m transfer fee for Crouch spread over 3 years = 3.33m per year. As we've used 1.5yrs up that makes 5m, so half the transfer fee. So his remaining cost to the club would be 5m (plus wages) over the next 18 months.
If we can now sell him for 4m and get Mackie then we would (in some twisted and flawed logic) only be paying 1m for Mackie.
I reckon Harry will be thinking along the same lines and as a result we'll probably get Mackie plus 1 or 2 million.
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Post by kilgore on Jan 29, 2013 15:13:57 GMT
Another nail in Pulis' coffin if this shit is true. Another championship plodder to go with all the others we have in our ranks. The thought of seeing Mackie running round Walters style in a Stoke shirt makes me want to kill myself. Swapping Crouch for Mackie would be one of Pulis' worst piss takes out of em all and would only weaken our squad even further. Why the fuck can't we look around Europe and pick up some premier league standard players like others seem to do? Oh I remember,it's because we have a dinosaur in charge doing his yearly impression of the thickest T-Rex that ever roamed the earth. zzzzzzzzzz, who do you suggest then?  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 29, 2013 15:14:15 GMT
I would only like one of Mackie and Walters on the pitch at the same time. You can have too much of a good thing  But on the specifics of the deal, I think it's a potentially really good one for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:14:29 GMT
Another nail in Pulis' coffin if this shit is true. Another championship plodder to go with all the others we have in our ranks. The thought of seeing Mackie running round Walters style in a Stoke shirt makes me want to kill myself. Swapping Crouch for Mackie would be one of Pulis' worst piss takes out of em all and would only weaken our squad even further. Why the fuck can't we look around Europe and pick up some premier league standard players like others seem to do? Oh I remember,it's because we have a dinosaur in charge doing his yearly impression of the thickest T-Rex that ever roamed the earth. This..... Mackie is another Jon Walters ie a dog chasing a balloon. No thanks. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:15:23 GMT
Yeah 2 out of the 4 attacking positions filled with 'ard working plodders. Amazing. 'ard working plodders IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS though? Baby steps... (of course I accept that what would actually happen is Adam and Mackie up front, and Walters on the right. ) Why can't we sign some 'ard working players who can play a bit too? I can accept one attacking position being used for nullifying but two does my head in. I guess he's better than Shotton on the right. The aspiration we are showing. ;D |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 29, 2013 15:16:27 GMT
He's not going to do a 180 degree turn and suddenly decide there's no need for Walters-types, though, is he?
And at their best, they can contribute in the squad.
Bringing in another Walters, shipping out a striker who doesn't fit, and ensuring Kenwyne stays all at the same time - and bringing in £4m in the bargain seems a no-brainer.
But if it did mean that 2/4 of the front 4 were Mackie and Walters every week, it would be a retrograde step. But I think a Pulis squad could accommodate both Walters and Mackie.
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Post by onionman on Jan 29, 2013 15:16:42 GMT
I would only like one of Mackie and Walters on the pitch at the same time. You can have too much of a good thing But on the specifics of the deal, I think it's a potentially really good one for us. If Mackie played central, we could have Walters on one wing and Kightly on the other. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:16:49 GMT
I would only like one of Mackie and Walters on the pitch at the same time. You can have too much of a good thing But on the specifics of the deal, I think it's a potentially really good one for us. It'd be Mackie on the right. Ethers/Shea on the left. Walters in the hole. KJ up top. It'd probably work too but it's attrition at it's finest. |
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Post by kilgore on Jan 29, 2013 15:17:00 GMT
Another nail in Pulis' coffin if this shit is true. Another championship plodder to go with all the others we have in our ranks. The thought of seeing Mackie running round Walters style in a Stoke shirt makes me want to kill myself. Swapping Crouch for Mackie would be one of Pulis' worst piss takes out of em all and would only weaken our squad even further. Why the fuck can't we look around Europe and pick up some premier league standard players like others seem to do? Oh I remember,it's because we have a dinosaur in charge doing his yearly impression of the thickest T-Rex that ever roamed the earth. This..... Mackie is another Jon Walters ie a dog chasing a balloon. No thanks. Must admit when ever i've seen Mackie play i've always been impressed, he seems underrated and puts the consistent effort in. Plus if it mean's Walters back to his original position what is there to worry about? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:17:19 GMT
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Post by tonedepear on Jan 29, 2013 15:18:42 GMT
'ard working plodders IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS though? Baby steps... (of course I accept that what would actually happen is Adam and Mackie up front, and Walters on the right. ) Why can't we sign some 'ard working players who can play a bit too? I can accept one attacking position being used for nullifying but two does my head in. I guess he's better than Shotton on the right. The aspiration we are showing. ;D I've not seen a lot of him recently, but I do think from hazy memories Mackie might be a tiny bit more craft and a tiny bit less AAARGH POWER KICK RUN than Walters. Sort of like a dog chasing a bone with a sparkly collar or something. And I wonder if the cumulative effect of two of those at once might be enough to panic defences a bit. But yes, would swap any of crown jewels to avoid Shotton on the right. Mind you, I'm still convinced Owen will come good, so i should probably just crawl back under my rock.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:18:56 GMT
This..... Mackie is another Jon Walters ie a dog chasing a balloon. No thanks. Must admit when ever i've seen Mackie play i've always been impressed, he seems underrated and puts the consistent effort in. Plus if it mean's Walters back to his original position what is there to worry about? I just want someone with a bit of flair, someone to get me out of my seat, who works hard!!! |
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Post by kylelightbourne on Jan 29, 2013 15:20:36 GMT
I would only like one of Mackie and Walters on the pitch at the same time. You can have too much of a good thing But on the specifics of the deal, I think it's a potentially really good one for us. It'd be Mackie on the right. Ethers/Shea on the left. Walters in the hole. KJ up top. It'd probably work too but it's attrition at it's finest. If we get a pacey winger on the left (don't know if Shea is?) then that 4 would be a big improvement on what we've had for much of this season |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:20:45 GMT
Why can't we sign some 'ard working players who can play a bit too? I can accept one attacking position being used for nullifying but two does my head in. I guess he's better than Shotton on the right. The aspiration we are showing. ;D I've not seen a lot of him recently, but I do think from hazy memories Mackie might be a tiny bit more craft and a tiny bit less AAARGH POWER KICK RUN than Walters. Sort of like a dog chasing a bone with a sparkly collar or something. And I wonder if the cumulative effect of two of those at once might be enough to panic defences a bit. But yes, would swap any of crown jewels to avoid Shotton on the right. Mind you, I'm still convinced Owen will come good, so i should probably just crawl back under my rock. ;D I like that analogy. I'm sick to death of Walters it has to be said, so another one in the team for me is a nightmare. As I've said it will probably work but it will generally be horrible. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 29, 2013 15:21:10 GMT
I would only like one of Mackie and Walters on the pitch at the same time. You can have too much of a good thing But on the specifics of the deal, I think it's a potentially really good one for us. If Mackie played central, we could have Walters on one wing and Kightly on the other. But what if Walters was ran over by a bus? What then?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:22:30 GMT
If Mackie played central, we could have Walters on one wing and Kightly on the other. But what if Walters was ran over by a bus? What then? No chance, the bus is always parked |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:22:43 GMT
It'd be Mackie on the right. Ethers/Shea on the left. Walters in the hole. KJ up top. It'd probably work too but it's attrition at it's finest. If we get a pacey winger on the left (don't know if Shea is?) then that 4 would be a big improvement on what we've had for much of this season It probably would but I'd still see it as this; Championship player N'Zonzi Whelan Past it winger/needs time winger Championship player Inconsistent and infuriating Premier League player |
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Post by tonedepear on Jan 29, 2013 15:23:14 GMT
"will probably work but generally be horrible" (c) T Pulis. 2002.
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Post by onionman on Jan 29, 2013 15:23:16 GMT
If Mackie played central, we could have Walters on one wing and Kightly on the other. But what if Walters was ran over by a bus? What then? Mackie central, Kightly on the left, dead Walters on the right. Could work. |
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Post by huntlypotter on Jan 29, 2013 15:23:59 GMT
out of curiosity, what is the massive dislike some folk on here have towards Peter Crouch?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:24:07 GMT
"will probably work but generally be horrible" (c) T Pulis. 2002. And I've hated it since then too! ;D |
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Post by kylelightbourne on Jan 29, 2013 15:24:29 GMT
If we get a pacey winger on the left (don't know if Shea is?) then that 4 would be a big improvement on what we've had for much of this season It probably would but I'd still see it as this; Championship player N'Zonzi Whelan Past it winger/needs time winger Championship player Inconsistent and infuriating Premier League player Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it ;D |
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Post by Pirate on Jan 29, 2013 15:25:37 GMT
I think if we could get Mackie & £4mil for Crouch it would be a top deal, Mackie isn't the greatest but he suits us & i think he has a bit more about him than people give him credit for!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 29, 2013 15:25:46 GMT
As Jon Walters' no.1 fan, I'd love to know what DaveJohnno thought of the possibility of Mackie joining.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:25:48 GMT
out of curiosity, what is the massive dislike some folk on here have towards Peter Crouch?! I don't think it dislike of Crouchie as a player its more the fact he's totally unsuited to the system Pulis plays. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2013 15:28:21 GMT
It probably would but I'd still see it as this; Championship player N'Zonzi Whelan Past it winger/needs time winger Championship player Inconsistent and infuriating Premier League player Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it ;D And lets be honest, Whelan could go down as Premier League one week, League of Ireland the next. |
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