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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 19, 2013 21:51:10 GMT
Better get Tone on a lead then! So long as Mr Blunkett doesn't want to do anything exciting. TP the guide dog would just sit by the front door working aaard stopping all visitors from getting in. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't bet any of my money on them not starting against Citeh.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 19, 2013 21:51:22 GMT
Better get Tone on a lead then! So long as Mr Blunkett doesn't want to do anything exciting. TP the guide dog would just sit by the front door working aaard stopping all visitors from getting in. Blunket to replace Kempy then ;D
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 19, 2013 21:51:24 GMT
Don't like the post but an absolute NO
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 21:52:00 GMT
So long as Mr Blunkett doesn't want to do anything exciting. TP the guide dog would just sit by the front door working aaard stopping all visitors from getting in. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't bet any of my money on them not starting against Citeh. A replay is the best we can hope for then
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 21:53:10 GMT
You know exactly what has gone on in Tone's mind re. Crouch and Adam.
He's watched the Tottenham side with Crouch / Van der Vaart and thought that Adam could do a poor man's job of it. The funny/infuriating thing about that is that Crouch's goal output and form went through the floor at Spurs when Harry swapped from Crouch/Defoe to Crouch/VDV. Spurs also looked a poorer side because of it.
Guess what has happened at Stoke with the poor man's version?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 21:53:34 GMT
Sorry we are arguing here - that was never my intention. Please accept my apology. The point is all about why did TP play Crouch and Adam today and them mess with the wingers once he had used his subs. The suggested answer is that he was proving to the club's owners that we will be a shambles if KJ leaves and we don't bring in a winger. I don't think he deliberately made us lose the game, but his bonkers decisions made the result inevitable. And to add strength to the case, TP has plenty of past form for doing this sort of a thing. Okay I accept your apology. To get back to the point you've made, then, surely it was clear to TP last summer at the very latest ( and it should have been well before that given Matty's injury issues and Pennants attitude ), that we needed at least one decent winger ( and I don't mean Kightly ), afterall it was clear to myself and many others on here. Instead TP bought loads of central midfielders. That is not good transfer management as far as I am concerned, and the team has suffered detriment as a result. I do not think he is apologising to your good self, he has basically backed himself into a corner with his assessment of today's debacle, in trying to defend the incompetence that Pulis displayed in his tactics and team selection he has left the manager open to all sorts of allegations if any of his comments held a shred of truth, which i am sure they do not by the way. I totally agree with you regarding Kightly by the way poor mans Pennant
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Post by Bombus on Jan 19, 2013 21:54:01 GMT
I feel very sorry for all of those who went to Wales today, it was an awful performance. An awful team selection by TP and an awful performance by most of the players. Awful through and through really. But, to even think about sacking Tony Pulis is, in my opinion, pure madness. How many times have I read stuff like: "Next year, we're going to get relegated if we don't get rid of the capped one" or "TP will never be able to take us further than he's done" etc on here? What I know of, we have never been relegated with Tony Pulis in charge, never been close really. Am I wrong? I would understand if people wanted to get rid of him if we'd been where QPR are at the moment (and some people think we should do better with the money we've spent the last couple of years, Jesus Christ). But, thankfully we're not. In fact, we're very, very far from it. People have been crying out for a top ten finish, but many have doubted Pulis to be able to do that. Please, do me a favour, go and have a quick look at the table. Tone has always kept improving us. - He got us promoted to the PL after 23 years in the lower divisions
- He then got us to the FA-Cup final
- and he got us to Europe
and so on... This year, our game have evolved, with the midfield being a lot, lot better with the ball than earlier. Give him another year and I can promise you, we will keep evolving and improving. Tony's got his plans, believe me. He's been building this side for many, many years. For me, Tony Pulis is the only man who should manage our club this very moment, and hopefully for many more years to come. I also read that someone was writing about Moyes coming here if we sacked Pulis? I'd like to thank you for the laugh of the month mate. Cheers! March earlier wrote: If Soton were cretins yesterday then getting rid of TP would be 1000 times more stupid. I'm sorry mate, I'm afraid I don't agree with you. It would be even more stupid. Alan Durban once said: "If you want entertainment, then go to the circus".In TP I trust.
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Post by scanjet on Jan 19, 2013 21:54:09 GMT
As the song goes TIME TO GO TIME TO GO TIME TO GOOO TIME TO GOOOOOOOOOO TIME TO GOOOOOOOOOOOO
DEAR pulis do stoke a favour and JUST go your style of football is not welcome
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 19, 2013 21:54:20 GMT
Let's put it this way, I wouldn't bet any of my money on them not starting against Citeh. A replay is the best we can hope for then As it stands, next week is filling me with dread. Come Saturday I'll be buzzing for it but I'm guessing some enthusiasm will be forcibly removed when the team is announced.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 19, 2013 21:54:30 GMT
many would prefer the circus to going watch us away
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 19, 2013 21:55:04 GMT
As the song goes TIME TO GO TIME TO GO TIME TO GOOO TIME TO GOOOOOOOOOO TIME TO GOOOOOOOOOOOO DEAR pulis do stoke a favour and JUST go your style of football is not welcome How classy you are.
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Post by shipshape on Jan 19, 2013 21:56:04 GMT
Pulis seems to think that good footballers can play well in any system. Crouch and Adam are good footballers but only if they play to their own strengths. They are being made to look very poor by following instructions to play roles they are not accustomed to. I feel sorry for them as they get a lot of stick for only doing as they are told by TP. I'm now convinced that he'll never change his style. That being the case he needs to use players who can play that method rather than shoe-horning players into it.
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Post by scanjet on Jan 19, 2013 21:56:42 GMT
alot more classy than pulis my friend
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 21:57:51 GMT
If yes, then who can replace him?
Law of averages says we should stay up but what about next season?
Relegation would be a disaster both for the fans and the economy of Stoke on trent.
Beat wigan and today is history.
My Arsenal s-i-l cannot understand our lack of ambition, yet we are Stoke and we know our place!
I for one anna gowin wait another 20 years for top-flight football
Be very careful!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 21:58:34 GMT
I feel very sorry for all of those who went to Wales today, it was an awful performance. An awful team selection by TP and an awful performance by most of the players. Awful through and through really. But, to even think about sacking Tony Pulis is, in my opinion, pure madness. How many times have I read stuff like: "Next year, we're going to get relegated if we don't get rid of the capped one" or "TP will never be able to take us further than he's done" etc on here? What I know of, we have never been relegated with Tony Pulis in charge, never been close really. Am I wrong? I would understand if people wanted to get rid of him if we'd been where QPR are at the moment (and some people think we should do better with the money we've spent the last couple of years, Jesus Christ). But, thankfully we're not. In fact, we're very, very far from it. People have been crying out for a top ten finish, but many have doubted Pulis to be able to do that. Please, do me a favour, go and have a quick look at the table. Tone has always kept improving us. - He got us promoted to the PL after 23 years in the lower divisions
- He then got us to the FA-Cup final
- and he got us to Europe
and so on... This year, our game have evolved, with the midfield being a lot, lot better with the ball than earlier. Give him another year and I can promise you, we will keep evolving and improving. Tony's got his plans, believe me. He's been building this side for many, many years. For me, Tony Pulis is the only man who should manage our club this very moment, and hopefully for many more years to come. I also read that someone was writing about Moyes coming here if we sacked Pulis? I'd like to thank you for the laugh of the month mate. Cheers! March earlier wrote: If Soton were cretins yesterday then getting rid of TP would be 1000 times more stupid. I'm sorry mate, I'm afraid I don't agree with you. It would be even more stupid. Alan Durban once said: "If you want entertainment, then go to the circus".In TP I trust. "In TP I trust", even if as March4 implies he threw that match to get his own way regarding funding from our chairman do you really people paid a lot of money to watch Stoke compete for 3 points today !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 19, 2013 21:58:59 GMT
alot more classy than pulis my friend I'm sure.....
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 21:59:52 GMT
Okay I accept your apology. To get back to the point you've made, then, surely it was clear to TP last summer at the very latest ( and it should have been well before that given Matty's injury issues and Pennants attitude ), that we needed at least one decent winger ( and I don't mean Kightly ), afterall it was clear to myself and many others on here. Instead TP bought loads of central midfielders. That is not good transfer management as far as I am concerned, and the team has suffered detriment as a result. I do not think he is apologising to your good self, he has basically backed himself into a corner with his assessment of today's debacle, in trying to defend the incompetence that Pulis displayed in his tactics and team selection he has left the manager open to all sorts of allegations if any of his comments held a shred of truth, which i am sure they do not by the way. I totally agree with you regarding Kightly by the way poor mans Pennant Look at the evidence and come up with an alternate solution. I can't and no one else has. If you accept he still thinks Adam and Crouch works, then why tinker with the wingers. It make no sense. If you are still not convinced, what was TP up to in the final few months of his first spell at the club? He wouldn't have wanted us to lose but there are no rules about not rotating your squad. It is not as if he played Sorro up front.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 19, 2013 22:02:09 GMT
I do not think he is apologising to your good self, he has basically backed himself into a corner with his assessment of today's debacle, in trying to defend the incompetence that Pulis displayed in his tactics and team selection he has left the manager open to all sorts of allegations if any of his comments held a shred of truth, which i am sure they do not by the way. I totally agree with you regarding Kightly by the way poor mans Pennant Look at the evidence and come up with an alternate solution. I can't and no one else has. If you accept he still thinks Adam and Crouch works, then why tinker with the wingers. It make no sense. If you are still not convinced, what was TP up to in the final few months of his first spell at the club? He wouldn't have wanted us to lose but there are no rules about not rotating your squad. It is not as if he played Sorro up front. I think he still believes in Crouch and Adam and also I think he put Cameron out wide so he wasn't directly replacing them with the two players many thought should have started after the Palace game.
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 22:02:27 GMT
I feel very sorry for all of those who went to Wales today, it was an awful performance. An awful team selection by TP and an awful performance by most of the players. Awful through and through really. But, to even think about sacking Tony Pulis is, in my opinion, pure madness. How many times have I read stuff like: "Next year, we're going to get relegated if we don't get rid of the capped one" or "TP will never be able to take us further than he's done" etc on here? What I know of, we have never been relegated with Tony Pulis in charge, never been close really. Am I wrong? I would understand if people wanted to get rid of him if we'd been where QPR are at the moment (and some people think we should do better with the money we've spent the last couple of years, Jesus Christ). But, thankfully we're not. In fact, we're very, very far from it. People have been crying out for a top ten finish, but many have doubted Pulis to be able to do that. Please, do me a favour, go and have a quick look at the table. Tone has always kept improving us. - He got us promoted to the PL after 23 years in the lower divisions
- He then got us to the FA-Cup final
- and he got us to Europe
and so on... This year, our game have evolved, with the midfield being a lot, lot better with the ball than earlier. Give him another year and I can promise you, we will keep evolving and improving. Tony's got his plans, believe me. He's been building this side for many, many years. For me, Tony Pulis is the only man who should manage our club this very moment, and hopefully for many more years to come. I also read that someone was writing about Moyes coming here if we sacked Pulis? I'd like to thank you for the laugh of the month mate. Cheers! March earlier wrote: I'm sorry mate, I'm afraid I don't agree with you. It would be even more stupid. Alan Durban once said: "If you want entertainment, then go to the circus".In TP I trust. "In TP I trust", even if as March4 implies he threw that match to get his own way regarding funding from our chairman do you really people paid a lot of money to watch Stoke compete for 3 points today ! I'm not saying he 'threw' the match, but he picked players in such a way to prove a point. In doing so we performed very badly. There is nothing against 'rotating' your squad and from the outside, our team and its shape looks perfectly respectable.
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Post by unknown182 on Jan 19, 2013 22:02:36 GMT
bin this thread when we win on Saturday
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Post by johnsollom on Jan 19, 2013 22:03:06 GMT
Made selection mistakes but no few years ago were going to the third div progressed to premier bin wembley twice bin Europe if not satisfied ith that go watch some other team and don't bother coming back don't need you
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 19, 2013 22:04:19 GMT
take a breath
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 22:09:35 GMT
Alan Durban once said: "If you want entertainment, then go to the circus".Alan Durban was a great manager for us, but Alan Durban was wrong. If football wasn't entertaining, it wouldn't be the most popular sport on the planet.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 19, 2013 22:12:38 GMT
It I was to be cynical March wold say he messed with the wingers after changing the subs as if we'd have blatantly pulled ourselves back into the match then he would have looked a right idiot as he did on Tuesday when the same happened!
He doesn't like being proven wrong does our TP and if anything this was a knee jerk reaction from a stubborn man. Nothing to do with the "I'll show a man who has invested 10's of millions into the club that I want to spunk some more so I'll set us up to fail bollocks"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 22:13:32 GMT
I do not think he is apologising to your good self, he has basically backed himself into a corner with his assessment of today's debacle, in trying to defend the incompetence that Pulis displayed in his tactics and team selection he has left the manager open to all sorts of allegations if any of his comments held a shred of truth, which i am sure they do not by the way. I totally agree with you regarding Kightly by the way poor mans Pennant Look at the evidence and come up with an alternate solution. I can't and no one else has. If you accept he still thinks Adam and Crouch works, then why tinker with the wingers. It make no sense. If you are still not convinced, what was TP up to in the final few months of his first spell at the club? He wouldn't have wanted us to lose but there are no rules about not rotating your squad. It is not as if he played Sorro up front. He will fit Walters in anywhere he possibly can, why perhaps he has other agenda's the devious manipulator, Jerome on the wing is complete incompetence. Whatever he was up to with the Icelanders it did not work, he was shown the door, perhaps they sussed him out, PC take note. As you have pointed out previously, you stated he basically threw the match to influence the chairman with regards to spending more of the clubs money on prospective transfers, by the way Sorro might as well have played instead of Crouch today as striker at least he would he tried.
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2013 22:15:58 GMT
It I was to be cynical March wold say he messed with the wingers after changing the subs as if we'd have blatantly pulled ourselves back into the match then he would have looked a right idiot as he did on Tuesday when the same happened! He doesn't like being proven wrong does our TP and if anything this was a knee jerk reaction from a stubborn man. Nothing to do with the "I'll show a man who has invested 10's of millions into the club that I want to spunk some more so I'll set us up to fail bollocks" You could well be right. I still can't think of a logical reason that we changed things in the way we did. TP didn't 'throw' the game as he is one of the most competitive people I have encountered and a defeat so close to home will have wounded him. I suspect we will never find out why he made the changes he did. I just hope we start the cup game with KJ and SJW up front.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 19, 2013 22:17:23 GMT
he really has had his day hasn't he? Too much money wasted on rubbish (Owen and Palacios). We haven't improved in 5 years and give run of the trud like Swansea a decent game. The fact that Whitehead was LB today says it all. Time to move on...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 22:19:53 GMT
"In TP I trust", even if as March4 implies he threw that match to get his own way regarding funding from our chairman do you really people paid a lot of money to watch Stoke compete for 3 points today ! I'm not saying he 'threw' the match, but he picked players in such a way to prove a point. In doing so we performed very badly. There is nothing against 'rotating' your squad and from the outside, our team and its shape looks perfectly respectable. Adam in the hole?, Walters on the wing ?, Jerome on the wing ?, Whitehead fullback ?, respectable to a blind man on a galloping horse perhaps, this is getting worse by the minute, he picked that team because he thinks that is acceptable in the Premiere league look at the scoreline !
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 19, 2013 22:21:57 GMT
ST9, we don't just share the same postcode mate. Today was simply tactical suicide.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 19, 2013 22:22:13 GMT
Depends on how much ambition you have really. One things for certain, Pulis will never deliver a top 10 finish, he hasn't got it in him.
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