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Post by yogibear78 on Oct 16, 2012 21:06:17 GMT
Why should the fat guy put up with all the gyp as it's claimed to be ' a laugh' ?
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 16, 2012 21:09:06 GMT
Why should the fat guy put up with all the gyp as it's claimed to be ' a laugh' ? Fat Is A Feminist Issue
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Post by jonathanacworth on Oct 16, 2012 21:12:37 GMT
If the uefa organisation still make this card stand then they are a joke he was clearly been racially abused the players should have just forefit the match If you where a manager of a side and listen to all that shit what would you have done ?
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Oct 16, 2012 21:15:11 GMT
Another thing that should warrant a fine or a ban is this popular pastime of shining lasers into players eyes.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Oct 16, 2012 21:16:07 GMT
Paul Ince is calling for Serbia to be banned for 10 years. FIFA need to ban country's for racism it's got to happen now.
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Post by yogibear78 on Oct 16, 2012 21:18:59 GMT
If the uefa organisation still make this card stand then they are a joke he was clearly been racially abused the players should have just forefit the match If you where a manager of a side and listen to all that shit what would you have done ? It is disgusting, we are all as one on this planet nobody is any greater than another, I have black friends and I also have large friends whoose taunts of 'fat bastard' destroy their confidence & social life but it's socially acceptable. It comes to something when people have to try and put people down. Who the fuck are they do put another down?Fucking scum.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Oct 16, 2012 21:21:58 GMT
If the uefa organisation still make this card stand then they are a joke he was clearly been racially abused the players should have just forefit the match If you where a manager of a side and listen to all that shit what would you have done ? It is disgusting, we are all as one on this planet nobody is any greater than another, I have black friends and I also have large friends whoose taunts of 'fat bastard' destroy their confidence & social life but it's socially acceptable. It comes to something when people have to try and put people down. Who the fuck are they do put another down?Fucking scum. . .I don't know if it's worth much. But I 100% agree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 21:25:43 GMT
If the uefa organisation still make this card stand then they are a joke he was clearly been racially abused the players should have just forefit the match If you where a manager of a side and listen to all that shit what would you have done ? It is disgusting, we are all as one on this planet nobody is any greater than another, I have black friends and I also have large friends whoose taunts of 'fat bastard' destroy their confidence & social life but it's socially acceptable. It comes to something when people have to try and put people down. Who the fuck are they do put another down?Fucking scum. Does that include abuse of the Welsh ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 21:39:43 GMT
Davef, I don't profess to be either clever or knowledgeable, but yogi takes on a rule all of his own!!! You have to take on his argument, it's legitimate but Jesus wept he has so missed the point it's embarrassing! I'm not racist, I'm not on here claiming to be either, it's a legitimate question. Yogi, for centuries white european and American people harvested black people from Africa and put them into slavery, serving the needs and wishes of white people. Part of the rationale for doing this was that black people were not human, they were a lower life form. Racist chanting is an expression of that same ethos. It is an extension of a crime so heinous that it has caused entire nations to implode, revolutions to happen and wars to start. if someone seriously accused you of being sub human, you would have every right to object in the strongest terms. It is not the same as being ribbed for having big ears, as hurtful as that may be. I hope this helps to explain the seriousness of the issue
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 17, 2012 9:25:52 GMT
I'm not racist, I'm not on here claiming to be either, it's a legitimate question. Yogi, for centuries white european and American people harvested black people from Africa and put them into slavery, serving the needs and wishes of white people. Part of the rationale for doing this was that black people were not human, they were a lower life form. Racist chanting is an expression of that same ethos. It is an extension of a crime so heinous that it has caused entire nations to implode, revolutions to happen and wars to start. if someone seriously accused you of being sub human, you would have every right to object in the strongest terms. It is not the same as being ribbed for having big ears, as hurtful as that may be. I hope this helps to explain the seriousness of the issue A very good post!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 9:35:14 GMT
Yogi, for centuries white european and American people harvested black people from Africa and put them into slavery, serving the needs and wishes of white people. Part of the rationale for doing this was that black people were not human, they were a lower life form. Racist chanting is an expression of that same ethos. It is an extension of a crime so heinous that it has caused entire nations to implode, revolutions to happen and wars to start. if someone seriously accused you of being sub human, you would have every right to object in the strongest terms. It is not the same as being ribbed for having big ears, as hurtful as that may be. I hope this helps to explain the seriousness of the issue A very good post! just a shame that yogi has to be informed of it literally EVERYTIME a thread about race or racism crops up...DaveF could you pin this post to the top of the board so yogi (and other posters who are devoid of common sense and are "Obvious answer staring you in the face impaired") can read it before ruining otherwise decent threads?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 17, 2012 11:26:18 GMT
Davef, I don't profess to be either clever or knowledgeable, but yogi takes on a rule all of his own!!! You have to take on his argument, it's legitimate but Jesus wept he has so missed the point it's embarrassing! I'm not racist, I'm not on here claiming to be either, it's a legitimate question. I'm not going to try and say you are racist and if you're not just doing a bit of fishing then its a bloody stupid question, the answer to your question is one that most people learn when they are a child.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 11:35:35 GMT
I'm not racist, I'm not on here claiming to be either, it's a legitimate question. I'm not going to try and say you are racist and if you're not just doing a bit of fishing then its a bloody stupid question, the answer to your question is one that most people learn when they are a child. as is the answer to the question "Why shouldn't you hit women at football matches?"......yogi seems to have missed that one growing up to though ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 17, 2012 11:37:55 GMT
just a shame that yogi has to be informed of it literally EVERYTIME a thread about race or racism crops up...DaveF could you pin this post to the top of the board so yogi (and other posters who are devoid of common sense and are "Obvious answer staring you in the face impaired") can read it before ruining otherwise decent threads? It is such a good reply that Admin should add it to Yogi's signature so he is reminded of it every time he posts. The same could be done for Stafford and a few other "regulars".
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 17, 2012 11:49:24 GMT
Are all these Central European countries a bit backward or something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 11:51:40 GMT
just a shame that yogi has to be informed of it literally EVERYTIME a thread about race or racism crops up...DaveF could you pin this post to the top of the board so yogi (and other posters who are devoid of common sense and are "Obvious answer staring you in the face impaired") can read it before ruining otherwise decent threads? It is such a good reply that Admin should add it to Yogi's signature so he is reminded of it every time he posts. The same could be done for Stafford and a few other "regulars". i believe Stafford's signature is currently "Why is calling someone a ginger git not seen as bad?"
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Post by rlcstokie on Oct 17, 2012 12:08:57 GMT
Not condoning racisim but can somebody please explain the difference between racially abused and to be called a fat bastard, skinny cunt, big eared cunt etc etc etc, why is mocking skin colour any worse than the others? You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 17, 2012 12:12:44 GMT
Not condoning racisim but can somebody please explain the difference between racially abused and to be called a fat bastard, skinny cunt, big eared cunt etc etc etc, why is mocking skin colour any worse than the others? You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types. It's akin to calling someone a cunt just because they have full time employment at a digger factory ;D
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Post by rlcstokie on Oct 17, 2012 12:14:54 GMT
You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types. It's akin to calling someone a cunt just because they have full time employment at a digger factory ;D Who's done that ? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:18:26 GMT
Not condoning racisim but can somebody please explain the difference between racially abused and to be called a fat bastard, skinny cunt, big eared cunt etc etc etc, why is mocking skin colour any worse than the others? You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types. no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 17, 2012 12:22:43 GMT
You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types. no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same Mocking of fat people / Slavery, The Holocaust etc. Fucking ludicrous isn't it! Some people
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:32:30 GMT
no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same Mocking of fat people / Slavery, The Holocaust etc. Fucking ludicrous isn't it! Some people it'political correctness gone mad i tell you
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2012 12:34:03 GMT
Surely there is now enough evidence to conclude that both Platini and Blatter condone this behaviour.
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Post by rlcstokie on Oct 17, 2012 12:37:56 GMT
You are correct mate, it is no worse. But there is no point in asking a question like that on an internet forum, it tends to bring out the cyber warriors and the Revleft types. no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same There is not a black person alive today in 2012 living in this country that was kept as a slave, abused, raped, degraded or lynched by his 'evil white slave masters' . Not a single one. My nan was a ginger, as are many Scots , my nan has Scottish roots, the Scots were abused, raped, pillaged and lynched by the English many centuries ago, the highlanders were forced from their homes during the highland clearances and their culture and heritage was stolen from them and entire clans were massacred by government troops so does that mean my nan should hold a grudge and get offended every time so one says something derogatory about the Scots or about gingers ? White people were kept as slaves during the days of the Roman empire. The Irish suffered during the potato famine, which some say was caused (on purpose) by English landlords. Many thousands of people died of starvation, does that mean Roy Keane is right to have a fit every time some one utters the words 'Irish bastard'. The Welsh were oppressed and raped and pillaged and massacred by the Anglo-Norman invaders, does that mean everyone that calls Pulis a 'Welsh cunt' is some kind of Nazi ? Don't confuse what I am saying. Racism is wrong. Any kind of racism is disgusting, people that insult blacks because they are black are out of order, white racists that chant racist things at the footy are out of order and I condemn them, but who are you or anyone else to say that a fat person who was bullied and mocked and ridiculed all his life for being 'fat' doesn't have the right to be as 'offended' as a black person in 2012 Britain for being called a racist name ? The fat person is question might not be fat because he 'ate all the pies', he might have a serious medical condition. All insults are wrong but I don't think you can say one is any worse than the other. In some cases there are arguments to say that calling a black person the 'N' word is worse than calling Kitson a 'ginger twat' and I would agree IN SOME CASES, but not always. You, nor I nor anyone else has the right to dictate who is right or wrong for getting offended by what they get offended by. You're opinion is you're opinion mate and I respect your right to an opinion, same goes for everyone else that will no doubt have a go because of this reply but I really couldn't give a monkeys toss. I have heard all the arguments time and time again from people who agree with your train of thought but I stand by what I say, and I make no apologies for it. I'm sure I won't change your mind and I'm sure as hell you won't change mine, so as far as I'm concerned I am happy to agree to disagree on this particular subject ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 17, 2012 12:38:38 GMT
Surely there is now enough evidence to conclude that both Platini and Blatter condone this behaviour. I don't know how you can say that. Some countries have been fined as much as £20,000! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:38:53 GMT
Surely there is now enough evidence to conclude that both Platini and Blatter condone this behaviour. ![](http://enteryenter.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/blatter.jpg?w=560)
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 17, 2012 12:41:27 GMT
Surely there is now enough evidence to conclude that both Platini and Blatter condone this behaviour. Indeed Momo. Blatter presumably believes they should all just shake hands and forget it. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 12:41:42 GMT
no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same There is not a black person alive today in 2012 living in this country that was kept as a slave, abused, raped, degraded or lynched by his 'evil white slave masters' . Not a single one. My nan was a ginger, as are many Scots , my nan has Scottish roots, the Scots were abused, raped, pillaged and lynched by the English many centuries ago, the highlanders were forced from their homes during the highland clearances and their culture and heritage was stolen from them and entire clans were massacred by government troops so does that mean my nan should hold a grudge and get offended every time so one says something derogatory about the Scots or about gingers ? White people were kept as slaves during the days of the Roman empire. The Irish suffered during the potato famine, which some say was caused (on purpose) by English landlords. Many thousands of people died of starvation, does that mean Roy Keane is right to have a fit every time some one utters the words 'Irish bastard'. The Welsh were oppressed and raped and pillaged and massacred by the Anglo-Norman invaders, does that mean everyone that calls Pulis a 'Welsh cunt' is some kind of Nazi ? Don't confuse what I am saying. Racism is wrong. Any kind of racism is disgusting, people that insult blacks because they are black are out of order, white racists that chant racist things at the footy are out of order and I condemn them, but who are you or anyone else to say that a fat person who was bullied and mocked and ridiculed all his life for being 'fat' doesn't have the right to be as 'offended' as a black person in 2012 Britain for being called a racist name ? The fat person is question might not be fat because he 'ate all the pies', he might have a serious medical condition. All insults are wrong but I don't think you can say one is any worse than the other. In some cases there are arguments to say that calling a black person the 'N' word is worse than calling Kitson a 'ginger twat' and I would agree IN SOME CASES, but not always. You, nor I nor anyone else has the right to dictate who is right or wrong for getting offended by what they get offended by. You're opinion is you're opinion mate and I respect your right to an opinion, same goes for everyone else that will no doubt have a go because of this reply but I really couldn't give a monkeys toss. I have heard all the arguments time and time again from people who agree with your train of thought but I stand by what I say, and I make no apologies for it. I'm sure I won't change your mind and I'm sure as hell you won't change mine, so as far as I'm concerned I am happy to agree to disagree on this particular subject ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) agree to disagree rlc (and may i say that despite me disagreeing with you, you put forward your argument in a far more constructive and thought out way than most do on here)
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 17, 2012 12:42:13 GMT
Surely there is now enough evidence to conclude that both Platini and Blatter condone this behaviour. I think Blatter started the Monkey Chants last night. Serbia have got previous with England, when Onuha was racially abused in 2007 - A match between England and Serbia in the 2007 Under-21 European Championship in the Netherlands saw England defender Nedum Onuoha racially abused. Serbia were fined £16,000 by Uefa You would hope that some serious action will be taken moving forward but I just can't see it happening unless there is a real desire to actually stamp out racism. Once Racism has been stamped out maybe then we can help Yogi and rlc to stamp out fattism and big earsism as these are obviously a cause for serious concern as well. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 17, 2012 12:43:52 GMT
no difference at all, whatsoever!!! in fact i remember my grandparents telling me stories about how fat people were herded into slavery, abused,raped,degraded and lynched with entire townships and villages wiped out, invaded and pillaged simply because of the size of their waist lines.....yep, just the same There is not a black person alive today in 2012 living in this country that was kept as a slave, abused, raped, degraded or lynched by his 'evil white slave masters' . Not a single one. My nan was a ginger, as are many Scots , my nan has Scottish roots, the Scots were abused, raped, pillaged and lynched by the English many centuries ago, the highlanders were forced from their homes during the highland clearances and their culture and heritage was stolen from them and entire clans were massacred by government troops so does that mean my nan should hold a grudge and get offended every time so one says something derogatory about the Scots or about gingers ? White people were kept as slaves during the days of the Roman empire. The Irish suffered during the potato famine, which some say was caused (on purpose) by English landlords. Many thousands of people died of starvation, does that mean Roy Keane is right to have a fit every time some one utters the words 'Irish bastard'. The Welsh were oppressed and raped and pillaged and massacred by the Anglo-Norman invaders, does that mean everyone that calls Pulis a 'Welsh cunt' is some kind of Nazi ? Don't confuse what I am saying. Racism is wrong. Any kind of racism is disgusting, people that insult blacks because they are black are out of order, white racists that chant racist things at the footy are out of order and I condemn them, but who are you or anyone else to say that a fat person who was bullied and mocked and ridiculed all his life for being 'fat' doesn't have the right to be as 'offended' as a black person in 2012 Britain for being called a racist name ? The fat person is question might not be fat because he 'ate all the pies', he might have a serious medical condition. All insults are wrong but I don't think you can say one is any worse than the other. In some cases there are arguments to say that calling a black person the 'N' word is worse than calling Kitson a 'ginger twat' and I would agree IN SOME CASES, but not always. You, nor I nor anyone else has the right to dictate who is right or wrong for getting offended by what they get offended by. You're opinion is you're opinion mate and I respect your right to an opinion, same goes for everyone else that will no doubt have a go because of this reply but I really couldn't give a monkeys toss. I have heard all the arguments time and time again from people who agree with your train of thought but I stand by what I say, and I make no apologies for it. I'm sure I won't change your mind and I'm sure as hell you won't change mine, so as far as I'm concerned I am happy to agree to disagree on this particular subject ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) "LOL"
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