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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Feb 28, 2008 12:48:16 GMT
Im startin off a youth alpha course on sunday - its basically a 11 wk course about christianity and what its all about etc etc.
I could do with some opinion so i reckon this is the best place to get a wide range of views. If you could tell me whether or not you think that Christianity is Boring, Untrue and or irrelevent to life or indeed the opposite that would be great.
Thanks for your help
Up the Potters!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 12:49:42 GMT
Religion is the cause of all the worlds problems.
I believe in Science, I don’t believe God created the earth.
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Post by TheDee51 on Feb 28, 2008 12:50:56 GMT
Careful WD - Serpico'l ave yer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 12:56:01 GMT
I haven’t mentioned the war so I should be ok mate…..  |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 28, 2008 13:02:56 GMT
I think Christianity forms a lot of our laws today and what we think is right and wrong.
Not too sure about God, and i'm not sure if thats it when you die - I think for some people it way well be the start of something else!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 28, 2008 13:26:38 GMT
Even if you don't believe that God exists, it is to a large extent, irrelevant, because what the Bible teaches can't really be flawed at all. The Church is a different kettle of fish, that's simply a collection of people trying to take a unified stance on modern life, and their opinions can be flawed.
All that Jesus said in the Bible is to basically try and be a good person, treat everyone with respect and don't hurt anyone.
How that is the cause of any world problems I'm not too sure- it's the corruptability of man as an individual and as a collective that causes that. Human nature basically.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 13:34:43 GMT
If only it were that straight forward boother, if only.
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Post by ben88 on Feb 28, 2008 13:47:05 GMT
i heard god was a slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 28, 2008 13:47:44 GMT
I believe it is that straightforward. I'd say the vast majority of problems arising from "religion" stem from people using it as a vessel in which to hide largely political motives. I can't speak for any other religion as well as I can for Christianity, but take Buddhism as an example. How can anyone say that Buddhism, an entirely pacifist religion is a cause of any problem? The same for Hinduism- I know that there's been a lot of problems with the Catholic Church in the past, but there's nothing of the sort today. Again, take the Crusades as an example- these wars were basically political conflicts to chuck "them" out of "our" land. It's not a flaw in the teachings of the bible, it's the fallacy of man manipulating it to form a justification for private agendas. I am a Catholic but a very liberal one and I have serious reservations about the ideas of "organised religion", because I think it's wrong to set a standard of beliefs that everyone adheres to. Religion should basically be an individual code of morals that everybody has. I don't like being told what to believe or how to live my life when I have my own opinions, that's evangelism and I see it as a form of indoctrination. But that doesn't mean I think anything less of anyone who does go to church and has a very strong moral code. Since the majority of those people do what the Jesus said and try to live good lives, I fail to see how anyone can say they're evil. That's not to say that non-religious people can't be good, but it'd down to what works for the individual and people who claim that religion should be abolished are just as ignorant as those who shove their religion into other people's faces in my book. Blame the person who fails, not ideology they're trying to adhere to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 13:48:01 GMT
I didn't believe in God until Fuller came along.......
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Post by TheBeautifulGame on Feb 28, 2008 13:54:22 GMT
I had something really profound to say that PROVES the existence of God, however, whilst i was logging in i forgot it.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 28, 2008 13:56:36 GMT
;D Livid!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 28, 2008 14:39:27 GMT
TBG - There was a pigeon in the background!
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Post by TheBeautifulGame on Feb 28, 2008 14:40:23 GMT
;D ;D
I'd forgot about your religious stance. You could re-write the Bible.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 28, 2008 14:43:14 GMT
I think it sums up religion perfectly - Not just christianity but every other religion there is!
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Post by Northy on Feb 28, 2008 16:09:13 GMT
good for you erasurebot,
I agree with a lot what Boother said, although I'm not totally religous my wife is a catholic and goes every week, my two youngest are altar servers, they are good decent people who know manners and respect for others, unlike some elements of our population who would rather vandalise a church for no reason.
My lad went to soli house recently on a school retreat, one of the teachers there was a Stoke fan, a young lady who wore a Stoke shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 16:16:48 GMT
Are you saying because I don’t go to church and that I am not religious that I’ve got no fucking manners? You can fuck right off. |
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Post by soicowboy on Feb 28, 2008 16:20:07 GMT
Certainly isn't irrelevant to life and the basis of so much of what is going on in the world.
'Religion is the cause of all the worlds problems. '.......not quite. The two biggest wars in history weren't religion related although many atrocities have been. Quite often is the way of life associated with the religion rather than religion itself- I remember as a kid a priest in Co Armagh preaching about the troubles there and almost encouraging folk to behave badly towards the protestant community- hard to believe I though that a so called man of religion could do that- not dis-similar to what we see today with Muslim leaders in the UK today.
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Post by Northy on Feb 28, 2008 16:27:21 GMT
only if you go around vandalising churches  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2008 16:30:12 GMT
One wouldn’t say one does it all the time, it’s more of a part-time hobby.
One is much more into the whole mugging/happy-slapping scene.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Feb 28, 2008 16:31:08 GMT
WWI was sparked over an assassination in the Balkans, the junction between Christendom and the Muslim east, the sort of dispute which we still see today in that troubled region. WWII was a result of the unsatisfactory conclusion of WWI. So Religion was not completely uninvolved in the two biggest wars ever. Mankind has a habit of extending written codes of morality given by god to mean that god must want all people who don't obey them must be killed. Religion is often abused by those wishing to justify their prejudices, reading the letter of the law as supporting their cause, whilst ignoring all of the bits that don't fit (like 'thou shalt not kill' for example). Having said that, if you believe that a big man with a beard who lives in the sky tells you what to do, and that you can speak to his dad son in your head, then you are totally mental and deserve whatever is coming to you. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 28, 2008 16:44:35 GMT
It was on the junction but not religiously motivated, it was a political assassination inspired by Emire building- a political motive. |
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Post by mumf14 on Feb 28, 2008 17:01:39 GMT
How many grains of sand surround the British Isles may offer a more interesting topic...or indeed a 1980's photo of Linda Lusardi....OOOOeeer.
Why waste the whole of your life guessing at whose God is the right one...?
Neither of my kids were christened because I thought I wasn't qualified enough at the time to pick the right faith.I'm still not but both are now at University and doing extremely well.
A load of Bollox is religion.!!!
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Post by boothenendboy on Feb 28, 2008 17:05:08 GMT
nobody can prove any type of god exists or has existed,until it has been proved,i don't belive in any religion.
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Post by soicowboy on Feb 28, 2008 17:05:10 GMT
Kenilworth- am aware of the results leading up to WW2 but was by no means a religious war as such but see where you're coming from.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Feb 28, 2008 17:28:24 GMT
thanks for your responses guys - v helpful - keep em comin
ben88 - why did i find that funny!!
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Post by chopandmash on Feb 28, 2008 18:21:01 GMT
save yourself some time and read the god delusion by richard dawking ,he hits the nail right on the head ,and exposes religion for what it is ,,a complete and utter sham,,take my advice and enjoy the llife youve got ,dont worry whats going to happen after.
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Post by leeklad on Feb 28, 2008 18:27:41 GMT
here here chopandmash
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 28, 2008 18:33:25 GMT
save yourself some time and read the god delusion by richard dawking ,he hits the nail right on the head ,and exposes religion for what it is ,,a complete and utter sham,,take my advice and enjoy the llife youve got ,dont worry whats going to happen after. I don't care if God is real or not and I enjoy my life spectacularly. It's more of a comfort to me as an individual to actually believe that once you're dead, you're dead, there's no judgement and you don't have to worry about mistakes you make. But the Bible is still relevant in that it still has value beyond "outdated" theories explaining the origins of the world. It's the basis of our country's entire system of laws and moral and ethical beliefs, like it or not. It's my opinion that God is what you make of him. Is he a personification, an allegory of all that we believe to be good? Yes, and that cannot be disproven by Mr Dawking's book, no matter how eloquently he's attempting to destroy people's comfort. I see God as a figure at the end of a level, if he doesn't exist in a physical sense he's definitely there metaphorically, representing something you should aspire to. |
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Post by chopandmash on Feb 28, 2008 19:59:09 GMT
i think its harsh to say that Dawking is trying to destroy peoples comfort,i think he does the opposite,ive always considered myself an atheist but i still found the book inspiring and indeed comforting ,and again i urge people interested by this thread to read it.
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