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Post by richardparker on Feb 13, 2008 8:29:43 GMT
Swedish man with long hair (or any other man with long hair) receives the taunt.
Put in a few tasty tackles, and he has abuse ringing around the ground for 90 mins.
Is this good ol' fashioned football banter? Or should it be unacceptable in today's political climate? Gypsies may be quite different to the rest of us (and the term is used loosely describe a range of different races, anyway), but they still suffered persecution (and death) under Hitler, and racial discrimination in society today.
Wear long hair... Dare to be different... Bingo, the Mob are after you.
If it was ever funny during that game last night, the joke wore thin after about 5 mins. ( I had a chap sitting behind me shouting "D'ya want some pegs?". If he said it once, he said it about 20 times).
Come on Stokies. We can do better than that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2008 8:31:53 GMT
Banter IMO.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 13, 2008 8:33:44 GMT
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 13, 2008 8:43:36 GMT
RP,
Ostlund is a swedish player and has long hair like some sort of viking! The fact that he looked a mess gave way to shouts of Gyppo from the crowd, no malice intended, just banter. I found it quite funny, more so, as i think a lot of people, including myself thought he was quite a threat and was one of their better players!
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2008 8:48:19 GMT
Ignorance. Stoke fans are the losers in this case like the chants v Jones. It's not big and it's not clever!
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2008 8:51:16 GMT
as someone of (very vaguely,over 100 years ago) Gypsey stock I cant say I had any problem with it as there was,imho,no malice behind the chants.
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Post by Doddy For England on Feb 13, 2008 8:56:13 GMT
As Davina would say... "It's pantomime!!"
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 13, 2008 8:56:25 GMT
Knowingeye how are the stoke fans in this case losers? He was one of there best players on the piutch and obviously the fans wanted to get in his head and effect his game by doing so,its nothing more than banter just like parkin gets with the fat bastard chant.
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Post by muckakev on Feb 13, 2008 8:59:50 GMT
I to have married into Gypsy Stock and was there with my wife last night, who after asking me why we were chanting gypo found it slighty amusing and took it as banter and although she didnt join in the chants, had no problem with it at all.
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Post by muckakev on Feb 13, 2008 9:01:54 GMT
ponta, and just to add to that the chants by the southampton fans of FULL OF SHIT directed towards out very own Mr Fuller. Banter and thats all it is.
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Post by Mr Jon on Feb 13, 2008 9:02:17 GMT
Banter, and anyone who detected racist overtones last night is being over-sensitive imho.
How many of today's "gypsies" are of the genuine gypsy race? Many are travellers of various ethnicity who masquerade under the gypsy banner in order to get away with anti-social behaviour and occasional criminal acts.
They are the people who really give gypsies a bad name, not football fans.
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 13, 2008 9:02:43 GMT
banter---"Where's you're caravan?"
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Post by diamondice on Feb 13, 2008 9:03:55 GMT
Great chant.
Remember the Victoria ground.
This sort of intimidating style chanting was regularly aimed towards opposing players or managers.
Didn't Pulis say that he wanted the crowd there to make it an intimidating atmosphere.
I for one hate every opposing player, manager and supporter.
(Oh and the officials)
Give em all something to remember when coming to the Brit.
Let's not make it a nice place to visit. The players are certainly doing their part. Gooarn Stoke.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 13, 2008 9:04:17 GMT
muckakev true mate just banter to get in the players heads.
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Post by GlennA on Feb 13, 2008 9:04:23 GMT
In a world where you're never more than six feet from an actual racist, I find it difficult to get offended by a chant about someone's haircut.
Similarly, David 'Spokeman for a Race That Doesn't Exist' Kitson should try to get things into perspective before he next opens his big flappy ginger gob.
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Post by madeleystokie on Feb 13, 2008 9:06:33 GMT
By the end of the match, he fully deserved the abuse he got from most of the Stokies. His behaviour towards Pugh in the first half and Fuller twice in the second half should have earned him a both a caution and a red card. Not to mention that at the very end, he tried to get Fuller sent off.
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Post by Thank you from Moorlander1 on Feb 13, 2008 9:09:53 GMT
Swedish man with long hair (or any other man with long hair) receives the taunt. Put in a few tasty tackles, and he has abuse ringing around the ground for 90 mins. Is this good ol' fashioned football banter? Or should it be unacceptable in today's political climate? Gypsies may be quite different to the rest of us (and the term is used loosely describe a range of different races, anyway), but they still suffered persecution (and death) under Hitler, and racial discrimination in society today. Wear long hair... Dare to be different... Bingo, the Mob are after you. If it was ever funny during that game last night, the joke wore thin after about 5 mins. ( I had a chap sitting behind me shouting "D'ya want some pegs?". If he said it once, he said it about 20 times). Come on Stokies. We can do better than that! Balls he deserved the barracking he was a dirty little bastard. |
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Post by Sammz on Feb 13, 2008 9:14:15 GMT
Diamondice - I'll echo your sentiments. We as Stoke fans need to get fully behind our team (which we haven't always done this season, especially in the earlier games) and try to scare the shit out of opposing players and management.
Make the Brit hell on earth for visiting teams!!
COME ON STOKE!!
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 13, 2008 9:19:04 GMT
richardparker - grow up, and stop thinking about this over PC bollox, its not cool to be over PC any more.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 9:19:47 GMT
I'm sure the Swedish Ostlund spent the whole evening feeling that he was carrying personally the weight of Nazi persecution on his shoulders!  There again he mght just have thought he was been wound up about his hair style! I've witnessed first hand genuine persecution and abuse of gypsies in Eastern Europe and to try and tie this in with the wind up of an opposition player at a football match is at best clumsy and at worst a shoddy distraction away from real racist issues in football and society in general. It is on a par with claiming the stick Jason Lee, the ex-Nottingham Forest player, received for his hairstyling a few years ago was persecution of pineapples. The only ignorance I can detect here is where people cannot differentiate between an act designed to blame the problems of the world on a weak minority and the predominately good natured wind up of an opposing player designed to do northing more than put him off his game. |
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Post by Silverdale on Feb 13, 2008 9:20:03 GMT
No , He was a dirty gyppo bastard!
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Post by Godo on Feb 13, 2008 9:38:43 GMT
I thought he should have been sent off for his 4 yellow card offences but if the useless twat wants to look like THAT good luck to him.
It does seem a bit daft to be caling a Swede "gypo" - Romanians on the other hand!!!
There is a distinction that needs to be made but we really do need to make the Brit intimidating and wagging fingers and occasional tutting won't do it I'm afraid! Perhaps the delicate amongst us would prefer it if the fans shouted "Romany" or "Traveller" - please let us know the preferred nomenclature? What next? "Who's the hirsute, illegitimate gentleman in the dark coloured fabric"?
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Post by miffmister on Feb 13, 2008 9:40:29 GMT
Silverdale spot on. did'nt realize that Gypses were a race, therfore cannot be racist. Like you fat bastard and you blind cu*t ref etc. Just banter trying to put them off their game.
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2008 9:47:01 GMT
Mark W "predominately good natured wind up of an opposing player designed to do northing more than put him off his game."
Lucky he wasn't black with long hair then!
I think the question is where do we draw the line in terms of abuse and what is deemed good natured?
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 13, 2008 9:47:40 GMT
knowingeye - to not abuse someone who is black or asian for simply being black or asian. That is the line.
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Post by RAF on Feb 13, 2008 9:53:51 GMT
Gyppo short for gypsy yes?
Gypsy - a member of a nomadic, Caucasoid people of generally swarthy complexion, who migrated originally from India, settling in various parts of Asia, Europe, and, most recently, North America.
Surely just having a pop at someone purely because they have long hair cannot be construed as racist?
It's banter
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2008 10:05:52 GMT
RAF "Surely just having a pop at someone purely because they have long hair cannot be construed as racist?" I agree with you it's not. But it's stupid calling him a Gypsy when he isn't and it obviously didn't rattle him.
Perhaps calling him something really abusive like fitta, kuk or mammaknullare may have been more appropriate.
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Post by Parkerson on Feb 13, 2008 10:19:22 GMT
Dirty little shit, deserved all he got.
" one of their best players "
WHAT !? he gave the ball away no end in the first half. I have to say though im sure i saw an object thrown at him when he was down in the corner flag infront of the boothen.....
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Post by RAF on Feb 13, 2008 10:21:43 GMT
KE , but the thread was started suggesting racsim , not stupidity!
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 13, 2008 10:28:00 GMT
I was calling him Jar Jar Binks. I suggest anyone who thinks calling a bloke 'Gypo' at a nogger match is racist probably tells you more about them than it does those who chant it. Utter pc bollox.
OS.
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