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Post by potters11 on Feb 13, 2008 10:31:33 GMT
Friendly banter, he probably gets it at 23 other league grounds, every other week.
So the fact that Southampton fans have christened him Jesus, is also some kind of discrimination against Swedish blokes with long hair!?
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Post by Premier League Busta Rhymes on Feb 13, 2008 10:37:33 GMT
"Where's your caravan"
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2008 10:38:48 GMT
RAF. I read it as asking is it banter or racism?
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 13, 2008 10:57:06 GMT
Racist? FFS give all this PC a rest will you. I spose I cant call Sturn John a fat fookin bastard, or that blonde lad at the back a horrible, dirty, cheating, scummy twat because it might hurt their pampered, several grand a week feelings??? Jeeesus Christ (racist?) give it a rest!
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Post by RAF on Feb 13, 2008 11:01:26 GMT
I read that to even suggest racism is stupidity.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Feb 13, 2008 12:26:24 GMT
"Get your hair cut you bitch"
Kudos to the man in Block 30 who shouted that ;D
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Post by fullerlegend on Feb 13, 2008 12:30:01 GMT
it was funny 1st time. but i actually felt dead bad near the end of game.
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Post by bettyswallocks on Feb 13, 2008 12:32:04 GMT
Acceptable my friend it was good banter and it frustrated him as you could tell, we need to do that every time we play at the brit. it should be the mpost hostile place to visit and strike fear throuhg any opposistion
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Post by TheDee51 on Feb 13, 2008 12:34:34 GMT
Racist my fucking arse, just pure football banter
"Who's the wanker in the black" - Racist? Colourist? "You don't know what you're doing" - Jobist??
The PC brigade are going way too far - fuck it all off!!!
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Post by Cabby_Shunt on Feb 13, 2008 12:38:54 GMT
I'm sure the Swedish Ostlund spent the whole evening feeling that he was carrying personally the weight of Nazi persecution on his shoulders! There again he mght just have thought he was been wound up about his hair style! I've witnessed first hand genuine persecution and abuse of gypsies in Eastern Europe and to try and tie this in with the wind up of an opposition player at a football match is at best clumsy and at worst a shoddy distraction away from real racist issues in football and society in general. It is on a par with claiming the stick Jason Lee, the ex-Nottingham Forest player, received for his hairstyling a few years ago was persecution of pineapples. The only ignorance I can detect here is where people cannot differentiate between an act designed to blame the problems of the world on a weak minority and the predominately good natured wind up of an opposing player designed to do northing more than put him off his game. Mark, When does it become unacceptable then? Would it be ok to chant 'Nazi Nazi Nazi' at a German player? Or 'Suicide Bomber' at an asian player? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 13, 2008 12:40:51 GMT
It was banter that obviously worked to full advantage as it wound him up and he lost his head.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 13, 2008 12:41:00 GMT
I'm not sure what kind of football ground some people would rather we had.
All chanting obscenity-free and PC approved by a governing body? Or shall we just go the whole hog and say no shouting, chanting or partisanship whatsoever? Prawn sandwiches and Pimm's instead of pies and larger?
Football grounds have been sanitised enough thanks, most grounds are like flaming libraries now anyway!
Rant over!
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Post by PONTAFCE on Feb 13, 2008 12:42:50 GMT
Its all part of the game alot of people dont like it but hey thats all part of football.If people dont like it go and watch bowls or something.
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Post by soicowboy on Feb 13, 2008 12:46:49 GMT
'It is on a par with claiming the stick Jason Lee, the ex-Nottingham Forest player, received for his hairstyling a few years ago was persecution of pineapples.'
;D ;D ;D
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 12:47:32 GMT
I'm not sure what kind of football ground some people would rather we had. All chanting obscenity-free and PC approved by a governing body? Or shall we just go the whole hog and say no shouting, chanting or partisanship whatsoever? Prawn sandwiches and Pimm's instead of pies and larger? Football grounds have been sanitised enough thanks, most grounds are like flaming libraries now anyway! Rant over! Absolutely spot on. I'm not picking on the chap but Tim Gallimore actually suggested that wind ups of opposition fans werre a bad thing when he was either employed by the club or was Chair of the FF. I distinctly recall him making quite an issue of it.
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Post by TheDee51 on Feb 13, 2008 12:48:23 GMT
"Mark,
When does it become unacceptable then? Would it be ok to chant 'Nazi Nazi Nazi' at a German player? Or 'Suicide Bomber' at an asian player?
The line has to be drawn somewhere."
So are you saying draw the line at someone saying 'gypo'??
Fucking muppet! (ooh shit, is that muppetist!!)
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 13, 2008 12:48:30 GMT
I'm sure the Swedish Ostlund spent the whole evening feeling that he was carrying personally the weight of Nazi persecution on his shoulders! There again he mght just have thought he was been wound up about his hair style! I've witnessed first hand genuine persecution and abuse of gypsies in Eastern Europe and to try and tie this in with the wind up of an opposition player at a football match is at best clumsy and at worst a shoddy distraction away from real racist issues in football and society in general. It is on a par with claiming the stick Jason Lee, the ex-Nottingham Forest player, received for his hairstyling a few years ago was persecution of pineapples. The only ignorance I can detect here is where people cannot differentiate between an act designed to blame the problems of the world on a weak minority and the predominately good natured wind up of an opposing player designed to do northing more than put him off his game. Mark, When does it become unacceptable then? Would it be ok to chant 'Nazi Nazi Nazi' at a German player? Or 'Suicide Bomber' at an asian player? The line has to be drawn somewhere. To be honest its easy to draw the line if you have any sense. The examples you mention are crossing the line. Any more examples you wish to qualify?
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Post by Cabby_Shunt on Feb 13, 2008 12:50:17 GMT
Iceland Potter,
That is where YOU draw the line.
Everybody is different.
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Post by Cabby_Shunt on Feb 13, 2008 12:53:15 GMT
What about 'Slanty Eyed Twat' at a chinese or Korean player then?
Is that acceptable?
That comment refers purely to the persons features (in this case eyes), just as the Gypo jibe relates to Ostlunds hair.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 13, 2008 12:53:55 GMT
Mark, When does it become unacceptable then? Would it be ok to chant 'Nazi Nazi Nazi' at a German player? Or 'Suicide Bomber' at an asian player? The line has to be drawn somewhere. I think, generally speaking (the isolated chants at Dave Jones aside), football fans effectively police themselves. People know what is and isn't acceptable, thats why you don't hear chants like 'Nazi, Nazi, Nazi' aimed at German players for instance.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 12:55:40 GMT
Anyone requiring guidence on the examples given has a problem that they should attend to themselves in my opinion.
They have no hope in distinguishing between good old fashioned football humour and bad taste or worse, for sure.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 13, 2008 12:59:01 GMT
Agree with Mark
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Post by Cabby_Shunt on Feb 13, 2008 13:03:10 GMT
Seems to me that people want to defend it because they enjoy being abusive at football matches.
Probably the same people who defend speeding because they are impatient and like to drive fast.
Probably the same people who deny global warming because they don't want to go without any of lifes luxuries.
The same people who like their lives the way they are, despite their effect upon the world and others, and will do anything to defend that way of life.
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 13, 2008 13:03:18 GMT
I guess going for 'Freddie Eastwood' is off.
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Post by lordb on Feb 13, 2008 13:07:22 GMT
Screaming Gypo @ eastwood might well be offensive - you'd have to ask him that
screaming it @ someone who inst a gypsy - i.e. Ostlund is surely different.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 13:13:43 GMT
Seems to me that people want to defend it because they enjoy being abusive at football matches. Probably the same people who defend speeding because they are impatient and like to drive fast. Probably the same people who deny global warming because they don't want to go without any of lifes luxuries. The same people who like their lives the way they are, despite their effect upon the world and others, and will do anything to defend that way of life. It seems to me that anyone prepared to leap to conclusions regarding individual's views on global warming and speeding based on their attitude to the winding up of an opposition player needs to have a lie down. Ironically the mainstay of a racist is that they do draw preposterous conclusions about individuals based around similar sweeping generalisations and linking one aspect to other completely unrelated matters.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 13, 2008 13:30:42 GMT
Be honest now Richard, you really wanted to join in with the gypo chants, but you were to busy stuffing your mouth full of prawn sarnies!
I wasn't there last night, but I can remember that poor bastard from Grimsby getting hammered with "gypo" chants for the entire game when we hammered them 6-0 at the Vic in the late eighties, and it was one of the funniest things iv'e ever seen at a game.
Anyway, I'm not wasting anymore time discussing this, I've got some driveways to tarmac, some pegs to sell, and a long overdue barbers appointment to get to......now where did I put me lucky charm......??
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2008 13:32:57 GMT
There does seem to be an underlying arrogance of a few fans who believe they can say or do what they like, protest their innocence (or say it was a bit of fun) and then complain about heavy-handed tactics of stewards and/or police. Worse still this is playing into the hands of the football authorities and already biased media. Just what we don't want when possibly looking at promotion.
Just don't give them an excuse.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Feb 13, 2008 13:50:31 GMT
As I'm definitely not a racist, it must therefore have been BANTER... and it was funny... and I doubt whether Ostlund himself could give a flying fuck!
Get a life (some) folks!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 13:51:36 GMT
Quite honestly Eye if I ever get to the desperate point where I have to sit or stand at a football ground:
Minding my every p&q for fear of attracting the disapproval of the football authorities (whose ineptitude in running the game renders their opinion on what is right and wrong within the game meaningless) or
The national media who do little other than wallow in the gutter of other peoples misery and exploit any situation to profit from the stories they themselves fuel.
Then I am not going to bother going to watch football at The Britannia.
If I can't expect professional and even handed policing on the basis that I am boisterous and indulge in a bit of harmless wind up at a football game then the issue is with the useless Police force we have (in terms of football match supervision in this area and not me.
We only have ID cards still hanging around our necks because these useless idiots can't be trusted to do the job they are paid for.
But that is another story.
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