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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 12:05:04 GMT
i remember as young lad after a game - walking with my dad, past leek rd post office, fighting started with manure fans - bit scary at that time - the police weren't doing a good job that day
away fans had to get to stoke station?
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Post by kevkj on Nov 12, 2011 12:18:36 GMT
I went against united in the night game that sealed Uniteds fate,couldnt they have stopped up if they won 8-0 or something.
The Stoke end was sparce as the United fans set fires.
I have never seen United on the Boothen end myself .My first united game was 2-2 in1972-73 but i was in the Boothen paddock down by the away fans and United brough thousands.dont know if they were on the Boothen that match as i was to young.
My father took me on the Stoke end for my first time against Everton a 1-1 in 72-73 draw,then Tottenham a 1-1 draw later that season,not a hint of bother as we stood alongside the away fans,i was allowed to venture myself the next season and spent afternoons in the boys pen but was banned from the Boothen.
I could never understand that as the away fans and home fans were on the Stoke end .75-75 i worked myself up into a back of the boothen ender.
Once on the Boothen we regularly watched bother on the Stoke end against all the mediocre clubs as the home and away mobs would stand together split by a gangway only.Every goal spelt a punch up.
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Post by mark71 on Nov 12, 2011 21:26:58 GMT
I remember a game in the 80's against the shit. There was about 40-50 shit fans in the boothen, during the second half they got found out and received a pasting. They were grouped together down the bottom of the boothen end by the bogs and the police had a great idea rather than take the shit fans around the pitch they would take them through the paddock.
Now it didnt take a genius to work out that once the shit fans were in the paddock they wouldnt last 30 seconds, needless to say once the last shit fan entered the paddock all hell broke lose and they were torn to pieces. The paddock mob had a field day.
I think thats the last time the shit came in the boothen.
It was great to watch ;D
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Post by werrington on Nov 12, 2011 21:39:37 GMT
I remember a game in the 80's against the shit. There was about 40-50 shit fans in the boothen, during the second half they got found out and received a pasting. They were grouped together down the bottom of the boothen end by the bogs and the police had a great idea rather than take the shit fans around the pitch they would take them through the paddock. Now it didnt take a genius to work out that once the shit fans were in the paddock they wouldnt last 30 seconds, needless to say once the last shit fan entered the paddock all hell broke lose and they were torn to pieces. The paddock mob had a field day. I think thats the last time the shit came in the boothen. It was great to watch ;D That was West Ham mate 1983 |
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Post by march4 on Nov 12, 2011 23:29:51 GMT
On the subject of segregation; I remember not being able to stand on the Stoke End on that fantastic evening when little old Stoke City relegated ManUre. This was the first type of segregation I recall, as Plod thought it best to keep the ManUre fans on their own. As it happened only a thousand or so of them turned up, who spent most of the evening burning their scarves on the terraces. Perhaps this is the mistaken memory of our 'friend' who follows the disease of English football. Not sure I'm the "friend" referred to. And my memory is certainly past its sell-by date. However: If you're suggesting that the police allocated the entire Stoke End to Man Utd that evening (which is not impossible), then they assuredly had more than a thousand or so. A thousand or so would have left the Stoke End unfeasibly sparsely populated - which it was not. And nor did we relegate them that evening. If their survival had depended on the outcome of that game, then they would have brought a monumental following. The fact that they did not (but I still think it was several thousand) was because they were relegated after the penultimate match of the season against their neighbours (the game in which Denis Law scored with the backheel - abandoned because of the pitch invasion). Denis Law did not relegate ManUre. This is an urban myth. They were relegated by Stoke City!!!!! Although the finer detail was that they needed to beat us by a ridiculous score and hope others lost their remaining games by ridiculous scores. Hence the myth that Law relegated them. Mathematically, it was us that put them down. I do remember a very sparse Stoke End that night with bonfires all over it. I also remember the play was kept well away from that goalmouth all game. Even the keepers kept well away unless they had to retrieve the ball. The vast majority of glory hunters had abandoned them by now and only the the real core fans were left and they were not happy bunnies. A bizarre night and I am amazed there is no TV footage. PS the media woke up to the idea that ManUre could go down after a very straightforward Stoke victory at the Theme Park. |
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Nov 13, 2011 0:55:50 GMT
I remember a game in the 80's against the shit. There was about 40-50 shit fans in the boothen, during the second half they got found out and received a pasting. They were grouped together down the bottom of the boothen end by the bogs and the police had a great idea rather than take the shit fans around the pitch they would take them through the paddock. Now it didnt take a genius to work out that once the shit fans were in the paddock they wouldnt last 30 seconds, needless to say once the last shit fan entered the paddock all hell broke lose and they were torn to pieces. The paddock mob had a field day. I think thats the last time the shit came in the boothen. It was great to watch ;D That was West Ham mate 1983 I'll see your Manure and I'll raise your West Ham. I beg to differ on both counts. It was the Wolves who the OB led through the paddock. It did go off with West Ham in the Boothen Paddock but that was the other end of the paddock, nearest to Stoke End, about 30 West Ham got into the paddock that day (it was the game that was on MOTD, we won, Mickey Doyle scored), a certain Bill Gardner got chinned during the ensuing shenanigans. |
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Post by werrington on Nov 13, 2011 10:26:24 GMT
That was West Ham mate 1983 I'll see your Manure and I'll raise your West Ham. I beg to differ on both counts. It was the Wolves who the OB led through the paddock. It did go off with West Ham in the Boothen Paddock but that was the other end of the paddock, nearest to Stoke End, about 30 West Ham got into the paddock that day (it was the game that was on MOTD, we won, Mickey Doyle scored), a certain Bill Gardner got chinned during the ensuing shenanigans. Deffo was WHU mate......As Mark said the Police took them through the back of the paddock and fists ensued was 82 or 83.....crazy decision. Wolves was the other side of The Boothen and got led out the Butler St side |
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Post by redman on Nov 13, 2011 10:39:48 GMT
was'nt utd, we never got done by stoke in those days you were never at the races, utd were everywhere back then, n40 my arse
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Post by str8outtahampton on Nov 13, 2011 11:19:01 GMT
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Denis Law did not relegate ManUre. This is an urban myth.
They were relegated by Stoke City!!!!!
Although the finer detail was that they needed to beat us by a ridiculous score and hope others lost their remaining games by ridiculous scores. Hence the myth that Law relegated them. Mathematically, it was us that put them down.
I do remember a very sparse Stoke End that night with bonfires all over it. I also remember the play was kept well away from that goalmouth all game. Even the keepers kept well away unless they had to retrieve the ball.
The vast majority of glory hunters had abandoned them by now and only the the real core fans were left and they were not happy bunnies.
A bizarre night and I am amazed there is no TV footage.
PS the media woke up to the idea that ManUre could go down after a very straightforward Stoke victory at the Theme Park.[/quote]
In that case, it's an urban myth of biblical proportions. Someone has gone to extraordinary trouble to adjust statistics right across the ether.
You are right, however, that they weren't relegated by Denis Law. I think even a draw would have sent them down in their penultimate match against their neighbours. But neither Law nor the Man Utd fans knew that, and that is why (a) the pitch was invaded by huge numbers; and (b) Law looked so distraught. In fact the game was abandoned - but the result stood.
Someone has also gone to the trouble of doctoring the result of our away game earlier in the season at OT as well, according to which we were beaten 1-0.
The only significant fact about that game was that it secured the points we needed to qualify for Europe - the Ajax games.
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Post by mark71 on Nov 13, 2011 12:47:41 GMT
I'll see your Manure and I'll raise your West Ham. I beg to differ on both counts. It was the Wolves who the OB led through the paddock. It did go off with West Ham in the Boothen Paddock but that was the other end of the paddock, nearest to Stoke End, about 30 West Ham got into the paddock that day (it was the game that was on MOTD, we won, Mickey Doyle scored), a certain Bill Gardner got chinned during the ensuing shenanigans. Deffo was WHU mate......As Mark said the Police took them through the back of the paddock and fists ensued was 82 or 83.....crazy decision. Wolves was the other side of The Boothen and got led out the Butler St side I'm sure it was man utd. In the same game a bloke and his girlfriend asked to leave the boothen and go into the stoke end, as they were walking around the pitch the boothen were singing to her whose the slag in red and white (she was wearing red trousers and a white top) I know the old grey matter is quite pickled nowdays but I'm sure kit was man utd. |
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Post by wevewonit2times on Nov 13, 2011 15:43:21 GMT
remember going top rank saturday morning then down to stoke and climbing over red gate and hiding in bogs til turnstiles opened ha memories!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 15:11:06 GMT
i remember the smelly toilets next to the entrance
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Post by surreystokie on Nov 14, 2011 20:51:01 GMT
I remember as if it was yesterday, instead of three years after my father returned home from Burma, when he asked if I'd like to go to a football match with him. I said yes because I'd never seen a game - no school fields in my Bucknall primary school and certainly no television - and I fancied a day out, a real luxury in those impoverished times. When we arrived at what was definitely called the Town End, it being my first sight of the ground, I tendered my sixpence and then dashed from the turnstiles up what, to this little girl, seemed like a mountain, with no health and safety in those days of deprivation. It was love at first sight, the huge (to me) ampitheatre, the buzz, the Woodbines adding to the smokey atmosphere around, the dreary clothes, not seeming dreary, of course, as there was no alternative, in those days of post-war austerity. And above all, the ubiquitous cloth cap! There may have been a few females around, but I dont remember any, just kind fellas lifting me up on to the crush barriers and mkaing sure I didn't fall off, when excitement got the better of me. Dad, who must have been praying that I'd take an interest in his favourite sport (and thankfully lived to see how it almost took over my life, even when I moved South) was so patient with my constant quizzing, as to what the players' numbers stood for, as I repeated the mantra that number 8 was inside right and Bowyer yer man when free kicks were to be blasted at the unfortunate oppositon goalie. He stuck his chest out when we walked the two miles home, (no money for a bus, whatever the weather and how soaked through we were, after 90 minutes on a roofless hill) and promised that he'd be taking me to every future game. Every other Saturday was like Christmas, to one who had been instantly smitten and preferred my first love to the Vale, who were my alternative choice. I realised that Stoke City had to be taken away from me during the in-between Saturdays, at 3.15., the KO being permanently delayed, so as to allow Michelin shift workers to enjoy what would be the highlight of their week. Won't bore you further, but how it hurts, these days, to see the Town End remaining derelict and recently receiving permission to have house-building put back by seven more years. Ah yes one more thing. Those queues for Cup tickets, which wound along the road and snaked up the nearby streets doubling back and around. Indeed queuing was half the fun, with the anticipation of the big match ahead a real turn-on. No need for social drugs in those days. Football and Stoke City in particular dmore than adequately did the job.  |
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Post by southweststokie on Nov 14, 2011 21:28:06 GMT
Not quite an Old Stoke End post, but I can distinctly remember one particular game, v Liverpool on Boxing Day, when I was about 10 (that would make it 71 or 72) and in the Boothen Paddock with my brother. It was a massive crowd - 48K is what I recall, and remember the police pulling the kids out of the crowd down by the tunnel and sitting us on the side of the pitch next to the Stoke dug out.
I looked over to the Old Stoke End, and it seemed like it was all Liverpool ? Also remember it kicking off in the Paddock further towards the Boothen, where someone had been sussed as opposition. Could always rely on the Paddock to sort 'em out.
Someone help me with this one. Am I going mad ? Can't remember the score.
SWS
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Post by CraigWally on Nov 14, 2011 23:23:13 GMT
That's Sir Stan by the way standing in the Boothen in that picture Anyway - here's some video footage the features the old Stoke end  |
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Post by kentpotter on Nov 15, 2011 14:10:26 GMT
I stood on the old Stoke End on my first ever visit to the Vic 24 Jan '76.
Went on Stoke End because, well I assumed it was Stoke's 'end'!!!
Stood and watched Butler Street patrons freezing to death (first game at Vic after the gale), Spurs fans being turfed out of Boothen and a lady fed me scotch from a hip flask cos I was so cold!!!!!
Then got chased back to station cos I needed to go back to London. Still, least we won 2-1!!!
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Post by kerouac on Nov 15, 2011 14:34:14 GMT
I used to go in the Stoke end equipped with fold up stool, my Dad and my grandad.Saw some of my favourite matches there,including that earlier mentioned 3-2 win over Leeds,up there with the 4-4 Luton one!
You seemed to get a better view there than the Boothen,especially loved by my dad,who was nearly bought to tears by Jimmy g's pumping leg warm up!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 15, 2011 15:50:12 GMT
I sometimes used to sit on the wall near the St Johns ambulance men, and i think it was that Newcastle match when i was smacked in the kisser by a wayward Malcom McDonald screamer. It was definately sunny, i remember eating loads of ice cream that day and getting third degree sunburn.  Must have been something about Geordie wayward shooting. I was sat on the wall on the Old Stoke End when Newcastle were kicking about before the match. Wynn Davies smacked one straight off my head and I fell off the wall. He jumped over the wall and picked me up though and always remained a favourite of mine, in the days when we admired our opponent's players too. |
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Nov 15, 2011 16:56:07 GMT
Do I remember this properly that at the back apart from the steps down it was just an earth bank ? I always used to go in the Boothen end , not because i was hard but because you didn't get wet . Used to go with John Treanor, Keith Hackney and Phil Davies all ex Holy Joes back in the early seventies.
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Post by checkmatestokie on Nov 15, 2011 17:26:14 GMT
I stood on the old Stoke End many times in the late Forties and Fifties and am old enough - alas, to rememember when the admission price for boys was sixpence in old money.
That's two and half pence in today's money. Happy days.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Nov 15, 2011 22:15:16 GMT
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Anyway - here's some video footage the features the old Stoke end[/quote]
That's an amazing trip back in time. It must be close to 40 years since I stood on the Stoke End (the last time was possibly the Watney Cup Final v Hull), but the detail on here is extraordinary.
And to Bristol Potter - yes you are right about the earth bank. None of your namby pamby, nanny state health and safety nonsense back then.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 15, 2011 23:00:04 GMT
I think many Stokies first experience of the Vic was the Butler St Stand.
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Post by withnall on Nov 15, 2011 23:10:48 GMT
Do I remember this properly that at the back apart from the steps down it was just an earth bank ?. It was, with cinder stones in that caused a nasty scratch on a young chaps knees ! Can anyone else remember this daft incident from the Stoke End against Wolves? It would have been very early seventies, and there appeared to be the usual mither in with their lot. The St. Johns blokes went into the crowd with a stretcher, and a couple of minutes later most folks were clapping and laughing at the site of this (to me) huge Wolves skinhead sitting upright on the stretcher wearing a St. Johns hat (at a jaunty angle) being paraded about 'till the OB got him. ;D |
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Post by gordonbanksmarsbar on Nov 16, 2011 12:37:11 GMT
I used to stand right at the front near to the goal. Gordon Banks was handing out Mars Bars to the kids at the front before one match, I kept the wrapper for years - now long lost.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 16:18:49 GMT
was'nt utd, we never got done by stoke in those days you were never at the races, utd were everywhere back then, n40 my arse If you believe that sonny you were never there |
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Post by busbybabe on Nov 17, 2011 5:25:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 21:46:27 GMT
was'nt utd, we never got done by stoke in those days you were never at the races, utd were everywhere back then, n40 my arse you weren't there |
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Post by braddamick on Feb 9, 2012 21:02:17 GMT
My Dad always took me to the Boothen End. But i remember a special day in the Stoke End. The day we played Santos with Pele in their team. The Boothen was shut due to wall being built across the back of the Terrace. I think it was late sixties. I was about 8 or 9 and always remember how crushed we were queuing to get in and also losing my new scarf.
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Post by dally on Feb 21, 2012 19:55:03 GMT
Just joined the oatcake - so greetings from New Zealand. I used to life in London Road. Many memories of the Stoke End watching Jimmy Mcilroy, Peter Dobing, John Ritchie et al. Good to see Rory get off that ridiculous red card.
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Post by dally on Feb 21, 2012 19:56:25 GMT
Just joined the oatcake - so greetings from New Zealand. I used to life in London Road. Many memories of the Stoke End watching Jimmy Mcilroy, Peter Dobing, John Ritchie et al. Good to see Rory get off that ridiculous red card.
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