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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 24, 2011 22:48:53 GMT
May I just add -- why is it called a Staffordshire derby when we play the dingles! Geography isn't my strong point but I know Wolverhampton isn't in Staffordshire! Because it used to be in Old Staffordshire before the West Midlands was formed. Obviously History isn't your strongest subject either!  Personally I'd class us as "North West Midlands", a bit of both but not really in either. I live in the West Midlands surrounded by Dingles, Baggies, Villa, Bluenoses etc and I also work a lot in the North West area around Warrington with footy fans from both Liverpool & Manchester, and I can safely say that nobody wants to be associated with us!! ;D Ultimately Stoke will probably be swallowed up by it all. The metropolitan of Birminghm is getting bigger by the year. I live just outside Lichfield and the population is increasing like never before. Its all spilling over. Brum is getting very over-populated and its just a matter of time till the Potteries dialect is binned and everyone is speaking Brummie like me ;D However, employment wise it could be a good thing. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 24, 2011 22:49:21 GMT
Well speaking from somebody who was raised in Tamworth and moved to Blackpool to live: I can quite honestly say that Stoke is def associated with the midlands to all north westers. In fact every time I say I support Stoke, it is met with Brumie accent attempt - god knows why. I might be being thick but if anybody asks me where Stoke is I say Staffordshire. Not sure what all this west midlands stuff is about. West midlands is a county in its own right which consists of Birmingham and other towns - not Stoke. Stoke is in Staffordshire just like Blackpool is in Lancashire or am i missing something. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Midlands_(county)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 24, 2011 22:50:42 GMT
Well speaking from somebody who was raised in Tamworth and moved to Blackpool to live: I can quite honestly say that Stoke is def associated with the midlands to all north westers. In fact every time I say I support Stoke, it is met with Brumie accent attempt - god knows why. I might be being thick but if anybody asks me where Stoke is I say Staffordshire. Not sure what all this west midlands stuff is about. West midlands is a county in its own right which consists of Birmingham and other towns - not Stoke. Stoke is in Staffordshire just like Blackpool is in Lancashire or am i missing something. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Midlands_(county)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StaffordshireNice. I likewise was raised in Tamworth. Well..just outside. You probably have the same accent as me then. ;D |
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 24, 2011 22:56:48 GMT
I sometimes work in Stafford and some people there thought I was a scouser.  , whereas they all talk like Yam Yams. Geographically we're Midlands, but as I'd rather be a Manc than a Brummie...we're north West. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 24, 2011 23:08:01 GMT
Well speaking from somebody who was raised in Tamworth and moved to Blackpool to live: I can quite honestly say that Stoke is def associated with the midlands to all north westers. In fact every time I say I support Stoke, it is met with Brumie accent attempt - god knows why. I might be being thick but if anybody asks me where Stoke is I say Staffordshire. Not sure what all this west midlands stuff is about. West midlands is a county in its own right which consists of Birmingham and other towns - not Stoke. Stoke is in Staffordshire just like Blackpool is in Lancashire or am i missing something. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Midlands_(county)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StaffordshireNice. I likewise was raised in Tamworth. Well..just outside. You probably have the same accent as me then. ;D Lived in Blackpool quite a while, so i speak more with a northern accent now. Stoke accent to me sounds 50% scouse 50% brumie, sure I have read somewhere that the town of Stoke has links with Liverpool. Maybe some historians can shed some light. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 24, 2011 23:10:31 GMT
Nice. I likewise was raised in Tamworth. Well..just outside. You probably have the same accent as me then. ;D Lived in Blackpool quite a while, so i speak more with a northern accent now. Stoke accent to me sounds 50% scouse 50% brumie, sure I have read somewhere that the town of Stoke has links with Liverpool. Maybe some historians can shed some light. agree. Definitely seems to be a scouse element in the Potteries dialect. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 0:07:28 GMT
Liverpool historically is Irish...probably 95%.
In 1900 80% of Widnes was of Irish extract. The same could not be said of the Potteries. Infact , I had never met anyone born from outside the City until I was about 16...how times and perceptions have changed.
The Stoke accent is Old English historically.
There is no comparison or association other than the Trent & Misery canal that linked the two Cities for Transport links up to the early part of this century.
At Dutton near Runcorn on the Canal Towpath is a cast iron sign post which has written on it G&D 1819.....OH ..AND SCFC...!¬
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 25, 2011 0:28:30 GMT
Liverpool historically is Irish...probably 95%. In 1900 80% of Widnes was of Irish extract. The same could not be said of the Potteries. Infact , I had never met anyone born from outside the City until I was about 16...how times and perceptions have changed. The Stoke accent is Old English historically. There is no comparison or association other than the Trent & Misery canal that linked the two Cities for Transport links up to the early part of this century. At Dutton near Runcorn on the Canal Towpath is a cast iron sign post which has written on it G&D 1819.....OH ..AND SCFC...!¬ Interesting. Apparently there were elements of old Potteries dialect that were not (and are still not) actually intelligible to many outsiders. Can someone write a sentance in Potteries dialect, see if i can translate ;D Im kind of intrigued now. |
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Post by njkk on Mar 25, 2011 0:42:37 GMT
The answer to all this is GRAVY
If you get gravy from your local traditional English Chippy, then my son thou ast in the north, its a well known fact
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 25, 2011 0:46:04 GMT
the potteries dialect is a combination of scouse and east midlands, its a legacy of the old trent and mersey canal days.
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Post by redarmyvet on Mar 25, 2011 6:51:50 GMT
You all sound Scouse to me, albeit it a very camp sounding scouse, not as bad as Brummie accent though
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Mar 25, 2011 7:15:39 GMT
Always thought of myself as a northerner , but its probably west midlands. However down here everyone thinks I have a northern accent , but this is Bristol so ooh aaah ooh aaah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 7:42:39 GMT
Homzy- The North West is dominated by two massive connurbations with a large central city at the middle of both- we are an industrial valley 12 miles long.If we were to compared to anywhere in in the North West it would be East Lancs- but these places feel really small and isolated not like Stoke where we do have facilities because of the size of the population (try haveing a day out in Burnley).
The reason why I think we fit in the north East is the housing and employment structure of Sunderland and its relationship with the Durham coal field is very similar- they also had Steel and coal- and a tiny middle class,just like us
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Post by mumph on Mar 25, 2011 8:08:15 GMT
Hung Hom in Hong Kong is part of Stoke-on-Trent. Totally red & white - no Great Unwashed here at all.
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Post by scfc64 on Mar 25, 2011 8:52:03 GMT
I put this thread on as my wife and I went shopping to manchester and I said its like going half way to Stoke( we live in Blackpool.) My wife said no its not,Stoke is near Birmingham! I pointed out that (in my view and I know what the maps say!) Stoke is north-west,just,akin with the rich football heritage the north west has,but I know others may not agree!!
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2011 13:28:12 GMT
The connection with Liverpool is that the Trent & Mersey canal was (largely) built by Irish navies,from Liverpool
S-o-T's late 18th century development starts with the canal & Wedgewoods factory
Lobscouse is an old nordic word for stew
We call it lobby
Liverpudlians call it scouse(although they are not the same now).
To outsiders we do sometimes get confused for scousers.
we do use many phrases that Brummies & yam yams do however personally I cant here any connection between our accent & theirs whereas scouse,manc (or at least the cheshire versions of it) & for me east midlands accents do have similarities.
The S-o-T coat of arms has Arthur Pendragons helmet on it which I think reflects the ancient link with the corneveii tribe
You've only got to travel 20 miles east to see the diffrence in,well,...ethnicity as the viking influnce that still shows in the north & east (the Danelaw didnt reach ourarea I beliEve) of England isnt as predominant here.
Stokies have stronger origins in the celtic peoples of Cornwall & Wales than they do the Anlo-saxons.
This is to me is one key reason why we are so different from the folk beyond our natural borders.
Add onto that our unique industrial past & economic isolation & the complete balls up of not having the railways come here (Crewe developed instead,not being on the main line fucked us over) & it all starts to add up.
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, whereas they all talk like Yam Yams.
