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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 3, 2010 20:27:28 GMT
It's all set up for a classic TP 1-0 daylight robbery raid, I reckon.
I fucking hope so, it's a bloody long drive so a lovely away win will make the journey home all the better!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 20:29:33 GMT
Jamo, we got to get something here mate to stop the rot. One nil would do me.
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 3, 2010 20:42:12 GMT
sorro
wilko huth ryan higgy
pen delap wilson ethers
jones tuncay
bego fay collins whead whelan fuller walters
another loss i reckon
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 3, 2010 20:54:16 GMT
My guess for the Sunderland team would be...
Gordon
Onouha
Richardson
Turner
Mensah
Elmohamedy
Malbranque
Henderson
Cattermole
Gyan
Bent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 20:57:48 GMT
I prefer our Sunderland team captain.  |
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Post by stokie12345 on Nov 3, 2010 22:09:36 GMT
Defence is key to this game, Huth and Shawcross in the middle for this one against Bent and Gyan, i'd wager their CB's don't fancy Jones and Tuncay either
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Post by liamsafc73 on Nov 4, 2010 2:59:50 GMT
It really will be a tough game because Sunderland are good at home and have only lost 2 games this season compared to our 6! Their Newcastle game was embarrassing for them so they will want to put that behind themselves straight away. I think we shouldn't be scared by no means but don't go into the game thinking they are a poor side. I don't think Kenwyne will get the best of receptions so we'll have to wait and see how that will affect him. i think the reception for kenwyne will be a good one . a fair few people didnt wnt to get rid so i think hel get a a bigger round of applause than most of our bunch come saturday |
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Post by liamsafc73 on Nov 4, 2010 3:01:21 GMT
I agree that their defending is bad but I can think of another team who's defending has been shocking of late. They are very good going forward and have a striker who is on fire. They will be determined to put last week behind them and we face a very difficult afternoon IMO. That said, if we can frustrate them for long enough or even (????) take the lead, their crowd will get at them and we could prosper. Here's hoping. our defending is bad?before sunday only chelsea had better in the league. i dont understand tht one little bit |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 4, 2010 11:20:50 GMT
I agree that their defending is bad but I can think of another team who's defending has been shocking of late. They are very good going forward and have a striker who is on fire. They will be determined to put last week behind them and we face a very difficult afternoon IMO. That said, if we can frustrate them for long enough or even (????) take the lead, their crowd will get at them and we could prosper. Here's hoping. our defending is bad?before sunday only chelsea had better in the league. i dont understand tht one little bit I suppose that it's because (and I'm terribly sorry to bring this particular game up) we never looked like conceding against Newcastle unless they scored from a stupid penalty - which they did. They looked like a team that simply wouldn't score enough goals or break down enough teams to survive. Some genuinely schoolboy level defending from some of your players, however, and they go and score 5. That said, our defence isn't looking in the best of shape either. No idea. I'd guess a Stoke defeat. |
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 4, 2010 11:31:30 GMT
our defending is bad?before sunday only chelsea had better in the league. i dont understand tht one little bit I suppose that it's because (and I'm terribly sorry to bring this particular game up) we never looked like conceding against Newcastle unless they scored from a stupid penalty - which they did. They looked like a team that simply wouldn't score enough goals or break down enough teams to survive. Some genuinely schoolboy level defending from some of your players, however, and they go and score 5. That said, our defence isn't looking in the best of shape either. No idea. I'd guess a Stoke defeat. We all have our good and bad days, marra. Take any of them purely in isolation and you are not going to get an accurate picture. Sunday was the exception for us this season, not the rule. Also, it would be highly unwise to compare Newcastle V Stoke to Newcastle v Sunderland. Two very different atmospheres. Two very different incentives. Two very different occasions. Like night and day. |
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Post by seatstandtimmy on Nov 4, 2010 11:45:11 GMT
What do people think the score will be ? I think 3-1 win
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Post by stokecity1863 on Nov 4, 2010 11:48:02 GMT
1-1 jones,bent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 11:48:09 GMT
Referee 1 – 1 Stoke City
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Post by seatstandtimmy on Nov 4, 2010 11:48:39 GMT
oh yeah scoreres, im thinkin shawcross, jones x2
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Post by seatstandtimmy on Nov 4, 2010 11:49:02 GMT
Referee 1 – 1 Stoke City Most realistic one anyone can say |
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 4, 2010 11:49:46 GMT
Referee 1 – 1 Stoke City You seriously think you are the only team playing at the SoL on Saturday that regularly has cause for complaint about referees?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 11:52:49 GMT
Referee 1 – 1 Stoke City You seriously think you are the only team playing at the SoL on Saturday that regularly has cause for complaint about referees? Mate, I know it sounds like sour grapes and that's what I hate even posting things like that because that's exactly how it comes across. Decisions go against you, decisions go for you - that's part of football and you have to hope they even themselves out over the course of a season. How Ref's have treated us this season goes beyond that though. It is ridiculous the decisions that have gone against us this season. I imagine you know the feeling though, unless you are a Shit fan (and you can do what the fuck you like and the Ref will always help you out), I'm sure most fans have felt the way we do right now at some point. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 4, 2010 12:04:49 GMT
Depends on if the Ref is happy with his backhander. ;D
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Post by redandwhitetuncay on Nov 4, 2010 12:09:38 GMT
Sunderland, massive for us at the moment we need to get some points from somewhere to "push on" as TP would say
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Post by salut on Nov 4, 2010 12:10:16 GMT
Mackem here: you could catch us on another bad day and it's become a cliche that if Bent doesn't score, we don't. Our joint second top scorer is Richard Dunne (own goal). A Kenwyne winner would put Bruce under almighty pressure, though we're so unpredictable it could as easily be 2-0 (Bent plus an og) to us. Stoke fans might enjoy this one - the ... She Stood there Laughing/She Laughed No More author and City fan Stephen Foster previewing the game ...
salutsunderland.com/2010/11/16483/ |
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 4, 2010 12:24:06 GMT
You seriously think you are the only team playing at the SoL on Saturday that regularly has cause for complaint about referees? Mate, I know it sounds like sour grapes and that's what I hate even posting things like that because that's exactly how it comes across. Decisions go against you, decisions go for you - that's part of football and you have to hope they even themselves out over the course of a season. How Ref's have treated us this season goes beyond that though. It is ridiculous the decisions that have gone against us this season. I imagine you know the feeling though, unless you are a Shit fan (and you can do what the fuck you like and the Ref will always help you out), I'm sure most fans have felt the way we do right now at some point. Thing is, though, we are always inclined to think referees are clearly going against our side. As a neutral I can honestly say that only really the Neville challenge was a blatently dreadful decision. The rest I have seen valid arguments both in support of the referee and against him. Just the same I am sure that when you watched Cattermole being sent off against Wigan you thought it was reasonable, yet I consider it a disgrace. I even came on here after Liverpool and people were arguing that Attwel got the Kuyt goal wrong. Just the way we as football fans are wired. We can never be objective and nor should we. |
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Post by boothy on Nov 4, 2010 14:26:57 GMT
Sorro
Wilko Huth Shawcross Higgy
Pennant Wilson Deano Ethers
KJ Tuncay Subs: Begovic, Abdy, Whelan, Delap, Walters, Fuller, Gudjohnsen[/i] Draw would be good. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 4, 2010 14:30:25 GMT
Mate, I know it sounds like sour grapes and that's what I hate even posting things like that because that's exactly how it comes across. Decisions go against you, decisions go for you - that's part of football and you have to hope they even themselves out over the course of a season. How Ref's have treated us this season goes beyond that though. It is ridiculous the decisions that have gone against us this season. I imagine you know the feeling though, unless you are a Shit fan (and you can do what the fuck you like and the Ref will always help you out), I'm sure most fans have felt the way we do right now at some point. Thing is, though, we are always inclined to think referees are clearly going against our side. As a neutral I can honestly say that only really the Neville challenge was a blatently dreadful decision. The rest I have seen valid arguments both in support of the referee and against him. Just the same I am sure that when you watched Cattermole being sent off against Wigan you thought it was reasonable, yet I consider it a disgrace. I even came on here after Liverpool and people were arguing that Attwel got the Kuyt goal wrong. Just the way we as football fans are wired. We can never be objective and nor should we. walters headed the ball over the line against spurs, wasnt given, a scandalous decision, as was last weeks chalked off goal and the bolton handball the ref fucked up all these decisions because we are 'dirty stoke'  |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 4, 2010 14:31:26 GMT
Sorro
Wilko Huth Shawcross Higgy
Pennant Wilson Deano Ethers
KJ Tuncay Subs: Begovic, Abdy, Whelan, Delap, Walters, Fuller, Gudjohnsen [/i] Draw would be good. [/quote] fuck me youve changed your tune, thought wilko wasnt good enough and shotton should be given a go ??? |
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 4, 2010 14:50:59 GMT
Thing is, though, we are always inclined to think referees are clearly going against our side. As a neutral I can honestly say that only really the Neville challenge was a blatently dreadful decision. The rest I have seen valid arguments both in support of the referee and against him. Just the same I am sure that when you watched Cattermole being sent off against Wigan you thought it was reasonable, yet I consider it a disgrace. I even came on here after Liverpool and people were arguing that Attwel got the Kuyt goal wrong. Just the way we as football fans are wired. We can never be objective and nor should we. walters headed the ball over the line against spurs, wasnt given, a scandalous decision, as was last weeks chalked off goal and the bolton handball the ref fucked up all these decisions because we are 'dirty stoke' The incident last week at Goodison - well the referee got the Tuncay decision wrong. But he also got the decision not to give Everton a penalty wrong. And the Tuncay "goal" came directly after he gave Stoke 2 free kicks on Everton corners before the ball had even got into the box for the exact same pathetic "offences". The point I am trying to make is that he was absolutely shit for both teams, rather than actually "robbing" Stoke of anything. As for the goal line one against Spurs... I suppose it is a simple matter of if the ref sees it cross the line and is sure of it, or if his assistant has, then he gives it. If not, he doesn't. I can't believe for one second that either he or his assistant sees it cross the line and foes not give it. I wouldn't say that was a case of you getting done by a bad ref, just bad luck. Same as for us when Fabregas scored the most freak goal of the season. But, again, as a neutral I looked at your game against Villa, and I thought Pennant blatently dived to win the free kick you scored from, and then moved the ball a good 10-15 yards forward to take it. Didn't see many people on here then saying how it appeared Villa were "screwed" by the ref. |
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Post by boothy on Nov 4, 2010 15:04:49 GMT
Sorro
Wilko Huth Shawcross Higgy
Pennant Wilson Deano Ethers
KJ Tuncay Subs: Begovic, Abdy, Whelan, Delap, Walters, Fuller, Gudjohnsen [/i] Draw would be good. [/quote] fuck me youve changed your tune, thought wilko wasnt good enough and shotton should be given a go ???[/quote] Not really. I just thought I'd be realistic. I'd stille rather Shotton played. |
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 4, 2010 15:07:44 GMT
walters headed the ball over the line against spurs, wasnt given, a scandalous decision, as was last weeks chalked off goal and the bolton handball the ref fucked up all these decisions because we are 'dirty stoke' The incident last week at Goodison - well the referee got the Tuncay decision wrong. But he also got the decision not to give Everton a penalty wrong. And the Tuncay "goal" came directly after he gave Stoke 2 free kicks on Everton corners before the ball had even got into the box for the exact same pathetic "offences". The point I am trying to make is that he was absolutely shit for both teams, rather than actually "robbing" Stoke of anything. As for the goal line one against Spurs... I suppose it is a simple matter of if the ref sees it cross the line and is sure of it, or if his assistant has, then he gives it. If not, he doesn't. I can't believe for one second that either he or his assistant sees it cross the line and foes not give it. I wouldn't say that was a case of you getting done by a bad ref, just bad luck. Same as for us when Fabregas scored the most freak goal of the season. But, again, as a neutral I looked at your game against Villa, and I thought Pennant blatently dived to win the free kick you scored from, and then moved the ball a good 10-15 yards forward to take it. Didn't see many people on here then saying how it appeared Villa were "screwed" by the ref. nope, none on here gave a fuck about pennant winning a free kick for nowt at the end of the villa game, we got shafted last season against them when mama scored a good goal, same ref who rubbed tuncays off decided to call a foul, so we deserved a bot of luck |
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Post by markscfc72 on Nov 4, 2010 15:11:06 GMT
brucie on squad: "we've got a bit of flu going around the camp, we've got one or two knocks. we'll see what we've got in next 24 hours."
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Post by captainfishpaste on Nov 4, 2010 15:30:33 GMT
The incident last week at Goodison - well the referee got the Tuncay decision wrong. But he also got the decision not to give Everton a penalty wrong. And the Tuncay "goal" came directly after he gave Stoke 2 free kicks on Everton corners before the ball had even got into the box for the exact same pathetic "offences". The point I am trying to make is that he was absolutely shit for both teams, rather than actually "robbing" Stoke of anything. As for the goal line one against Spurs... I suppose it is a simple matter of if the ref sees it cross the line and is sure of it, or if his assistant has, then he gives it. If not, he doesn't. I can't believe for one second that either he or his assistant sees it cross the line and foes not give it. I wouldn't say that was a case of you getting done by a bad ref, just bad luck. Same as for us when Fabregas scored the most freak goal of the season. But, again, as a neutral I looked at your game against Villa, and I thought Pennant blatently dived to win the free kick you scored from, and then moved the ball a good 10-15 yards forward to take it. Didn't see many people on here then saying how it appeared Villa were "screwed" by the ref. nope, none on here gave a fuck about pennant winning a free kick for nowt at the end of the villa game, we got shafted last season against them when mama scored a good goal, same ref who rubbed tuncays off decided to call a foul, so we deserved a bot of luck Paranoia like this seems a complete Oatcake epidemic atm. As I said, as a neutral, I have only seen Stoke has genuine cause for upraor regarding getting "shafted" once this season at least and that was against Man Utd when ever Gary Neville knew he should have been sent off, although even then there was a lot of football to be played against a quality side. It would seem to me that two of your three wins have come courtesy of a piece of very good fortune. Pennant being able to con the ref, twice, against Villa, and James Perch heading into his own top corner uncontested against Newcastle, yet all you hear on here is about bad luck and Stoke getting shafted. None of us like refereeing decisions when they go against us. You think we were sitting there thinking how wonderful Attwel was at Anfield? Or pick any one of the three red cards we have had this season and I'll tell you the referee got it badly wrong and cost us points, but that's football, and Stoke don't find themselves on the wrong end of it anymore than the rest of us (big boys not included). |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 4, 2010 15:34:16 GMT
walters headed the ball over the line against spurs, wasnt given, a scandalous decision, as was last weeks chalked off goal and the bolton handball the ref fucked up all these decisions because we are 'dirty stoke' The incident last week at Goodison - well the referee got the Tuncay decision wrong. But he also got the decision not to give Everton a penalty wrong. And the Tuncay "goal" came directly after he gave Stoke 2 free kicks on Everton corners before the ball had even got into the box for the exact same pathetic "offences". The point I am trying to make is that he was absolutely shit for both teams, rather than actually "robbing" Stoke of anything. As for the goal line one against Spurs... I suppose it is a simple matter of if the ref sees it cross the line and is sure of it, or if his assistant has, then he gives it. If not, he doesn't. I can't believe for one second that either he or his assistant sees it cross the line and foes not give it. I wouldn't say that was a case of you getting done by a bad ref, just bad luck. Same as for us when Fabregas scored the most freak goal of the season. But, again, as a neutral I looked at your game against Villa, and I thought Pennant blatently dived to win the free kick you scored from, and then moved the ball a good 10-15 yards forward to take it. Didn't see many people on here then saying how it appeared Villa were "screwed" by the ref. Nobody is mentioning our shocking lack of penalties or the other bad decisions. The Neville 'sending off' and the two disallowed goals are ref cowardice and in another league to most bad reffing. I am certain they would all have gone against Stoke at the other end. |
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