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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 9:46:19 GMT
yeah but pasa seems to think Martin O'neill is a Fucking saint
hes one of the worst for wasting money
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 15, 2010 9:53:06 GMT
yeah but pasa seems to think Martin O'neill is a Fucking saint hes one of the worst for wasting money Few managers make no mistakes. The difference is, Pulis signs players for big money but then plays small money football. I wouldn't give him another penny if I were Coates. He does not have a clue how to adapt. People go on about how much football he watches and how deeply steeped in the game he is. Has he never noticed that no-one else has the same view of the game that he does???? No other side in the Prem gives the ball away as cheaply as we do, no other side creates fewer chances. At half time yesterday, there was a feature on the TV about the 1996 Wimbledon side. Have a look. They were more balanced than we are, and that is shameful given a £60m spend.
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Post by stokiefromalad on Aug 15, 2010 9:55:58 GMT
If people can't see that yesterday we allowed a very average Wolves team to outplay us in midfield, create lots of chances at our end and were able to comfortably keep us out when defending and are happy with the piss more selection policy of our Tone, I can only assume they know fck all about football. the team he set up was defensive to say the least, we we playinga steady team who is still finding its way in the Prem, not man. Utd for goodness sake. Eight defensive minded players on the pitch, 3 midfiled players for which there were better players on the bench who could have filled their positions comfortably, a keeper who gave me the creeps whenevera ball came into the box(in fairness he madea great save second half!), aclass centre half playing right back, abdoulaye not looking match fit and a right back on the bench I can't see the justification for that team selection yesterday and it only served up the dross that such poor selection deserved. Sadly I don't think we the fans deserved it. thank good I haven't gota Platinum card because on the evidence of the selection, tactics and performance of the team, a) I wouldn't use it and b) all away games bar the Stoke sheep following expedition to Blackpool.. it won't be needed.
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Post by Paddypotter on Aug 15, 2010 9:57:45 GMT
Lad84, would you please now list the players each of those managers has purchased? and give your opinion as to their possible finishing position in the prem this season. Thank you
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Post by pasa on Aug 15, 2010 9:59:16 GMT
yeah but pasa seems to think Martin O'neill is a Fucking saint hes one of the worst for wasting money M O N is one of the best managers around, he plays a balanced team, put it this way, if he had been given £60M to spend do you think we would be as shit as yesterday against Real Madrid Wolves playing round pegs in square holes, a quarter back thats 34 and zero cutting edge? M O N has a c.v that most TOP clubs wouldn't turn their nose up at if they found themselves looking for a manager.
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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 10:03:05 GMT
yeah but pasa seems to think Martin O'neill is a Fucking saint hes one of the worst for wasting money Few managers make no mistakes. The difference is, Pulis signs players for big money but then plays small money football. I wouldn't give him another penny if I were Coates. He does not have a clue how to adapt. People go on about how much football he watches and how deeply steeped in the game he is. Has he never noticed that no-one else has the same view of the game that he does???? No other side in the Prem gives the ball away as cheaply as we do, no other side creates fewer chances. At half time yesterday, there was a feature on the TV about the 1996 Wimbledon side. Have a look. They were more balanced than we are, and that is shameful given a £60m spend. again 60million? no proof. also I think we have been one of the most successful clubs in England over the last 3 years, probably the most successful when you think where we came from. people on this board really make me sick, well the minority like you always find something to moan about when it comes to pulis. im sure you want us to get relegated just to prove a point.
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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 10:05:54 GMT
yeah but pasa seems to think Martin O'neill is a Fucking saint hes one of the worst for wasting money M O N is one of the best managers around, he plays a balanced team, put it this way, if he had been given £60M to spend do you think we would be as shit as yesterday against Real Madrid Wolves playing round pegs in square holes, a quarter back thats 34 and zero cutting edge? M O N has a c.v that most TOP clubs wouldn't turn their nose up at if they found themselves looking for a manager. he spent about 150million at villa and took over an already strong team, and still couldn't break the top 4, he also plays a similar brand of football to pulis (which you detest so much) the reason Mon quit was to protect his cv.
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Post by rabbigan on Aug 15, 2010 10:16:18 GMT
Cant fault original Kevkj statement. Pulis must adapat m. We still cant string two passes together. We still dont have in particular one real full back.. We still have no game plan. WE still play minimal football and constantly give the ball to the opposition. The big throw is till our main tractical weapon. He still thinks the resigning of Salif is central to our requirements. (just read what has been said on this point). He still thinks Mama is Premiership quality. He still has no idea how to get the best out of Tuncay (I have never seen a more lethargic disinterested warm up than that of Tuncay yesterday. He needed a severe arse kicking) Wolves have moved on. oUr last 3 games against them two draws and a loss. We have stood still. Wolves like others as we will see know how we operate and how we can be stopped. Tactics must change. Personnel are not good enough. SIMPLES
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 15, 2010 10:20:17 GMT
Few managers make no mistakes. The difference is, Pulis signs players for big money but then plays small money football. I wouldn't give him another penny if I were Coates. He does not have a clue how to adapt. People go on about how much football he watches and how deeply steeped in the game he is. Has he never noticed that no-one else has the same view of the game that he does???? No other side in the Prem gives the ball away as cheaply as we do, no other side creates fewer chances. At half time yesterday, there was a feature on the TV about the 1996 Wimbledon side. Have a look. They were more balanced than we are, and that is shameful given a £60m spend. again 60million? no proof. also I think we have been one of the most successful clubs in England over the last 3 years, probably the most successful when you think where we came from. people on this board really make me sick, well the minority like you always find something to moan about when it comes to pulis. im sure you want us to get relegated just to prove a point. No proof my arse Buy a fucking calculator EDIT - I missed the work dickhead off. Yes you are right. All of the comments I make about our manager are based on the fact that I want the team I have supported for over 30 years to fail! It fucking beggars beleif it really does. I can turn it around and say people like you would be happy if we were playing conference football, providing Pulis was still in charge playing square pegs in round holes. I supported stoke when Pulis was a shit defensive lower league midfielder, and I will still be supporting them when he retires to his multi-million "working class" sandbanks estate, so spare me the empty lecture. Out of interest, which bits of yesterdays display are you happy with.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 15, 2010 10:20:16 GMT
There are times I think this club deserves to be relegated just for the sheer ingratitude / stupidity of some of its 'supporters' but then you have to remember its just the ramblings of a loud but insignificant tiny minority.
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Post by pasa on Aug 15, 2010 10:30:43 GMT
M O N is one of the best managers around, he plays a balanced team, put it this way, if he had been given £60M to spend do you think we would be as shit as yesterday against Real Madrid Wolves playing round pegs in square holes, a quarter back thats 34 and zero cutting edge? M O N has a c.v that most TOP clubs wouldn't turn their nose up at if they found themselves looking for a manager. How much do you reckon we'd get for any of our players Stokie1000? he spent about 150million at villa and took over an already strong team, and still couldn't break the top 4, he also plays a similar brand of football to pulis (which you detest so much) the reason Mon quit was to protect his cv. You seem to miss a simple point, we have spent £60M on fuck knows how many professional footballers who can't pass a football (kind of ironic isn't it), they are not comfortable holding onto this football for more than 2 touches. So to compare our style to Villa's is taking the piss a bit really, Villa have footballers who can do the above with relative ease, we don't. Comparing Aston Villa to our style, Jesus. M O N has also sold Barry for a ridculous sum of money and Milner is going too, so you can knock that off the money he has spent, yet they go out and demolish WHU 3-0 and we lose to Wolves. MON has also bought in Ashley young from a lower division and could go for no less than £20 M in todays market.
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Post by pasa on Aug 15, 2010 10:34:49 GMT
Ryan aside, Stokie1000, if there was a Stoke firesale tommorow, how many clubs would want our players? And what could we sell them for?
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 15, 2010 10:37:26 GMT
O'neill played square pegs in round holes.
He played Reo-Coker (a center midfielder) at right back, then Luke Young (a right footed full back) at left back
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 15, 2010 10:39:27 GMT
I have to say if I was Peter Coates with one eye on the future of the football club I would be inviting Martin O'neill around for a glass of his finest claret. Very good managers dont become available that often
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 15, 2010 10:41:44 GMT
O'neill will be looking for a job bigger than Stoke City. Even if he is unemployed for 2-3 seasons
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 15, 2010 10:46:10 GMT
Its a fair point Stokelad84...but they are not many top jobs around in the Prem. Oneill doesnt strike me as the sort of guy who wants to tend his garden or spout shite on match of the day for very long. Its a long shot but if I were Coates I would be checking him out. What harm can it do?
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Post by an348398 on Aug 15, 2010 10:47:38 GMT
A list of all TP's transfer ins -
Kenwyne Jones - £8m Dean Whitehead - £3m (could rise to £5m) Rob Huth - £5m (rising to £6m) Tuncay – £5m Diego Arismendi – £2.5m (could rise to £4.2m) Danny Collins – £2.75m Asmir Begovic - £3.25m Dave Kitson - £5.5m Seyi Olofinjana - £3m Amdy Faye - £1m Abdoulaye Faye - £2.25m Andrew Davies - £1.5m Ibrahima Sonko - £2m Tom Soares – £1.25m (could rise to £2m) Michael Tonge – £2m Matthew Etherington £2.5m James Beattie - £3.5m Ryan Shawcross £2m
£56m bottom value potentially could be £61m+
So £60m is about right and we can still barely string a pass together!!
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Post by an348398 on Aug 15, 2010 10:49:13 GMT
Its a fair point Stokelad84...but they are not many top jobs around in the Prem. Oneill doesnt strike me as the sort of guy who wants to tend his garden or spout shite on match of the day for very long. Its a long shot but if I were Coates I would be checking him out. What harm can it do? Quite a bit if TP found out Coatesy was tapping up a leprechaun! ;D
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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 10:51:20 GMT
Ryan aside, Stokie1000, if there was a Stoke firesale tommorow, how many clubs would want our players? And what could we sell them for? villa bought players when they were already an estabilshed premiership club, so they could attract a higher calibre, we had to bulk up our squad when we got promoted with the likes of soares/tonge etc, so comparing our dealings in the transfer market to villa's is obviously a no go. dont forget we really struggled to attract players when we first came up as everyone thought we were certainties for relegation, much like blackpool. but anyway, fuller we would make money mama we would make money lawro we will make money tunny, probably get same as we bought him for huth make money shawcross make money sorro make money begovic make money ethers make money wilko make money (obviously a youth but so was barry) obviuosly a lot of our plauyers are over 30 and would stuggle to sell for viable fee's but i make that 10 players of the top of my head, oh he has got a very poor record hasnt he ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) also you say about barry going for mega money and milner, yes of course they did, but its to the free spending man city, I DONT REMEMBER TO MANY OTHER TEAMS BEING INTERSESTED
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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 10:53:20 GMT
A list of all TP's transfer ins - Kenwyne Jones - £8m Dean Whitehead - £3m (could rise to £5m) Rob Huth - £5m (rising to £6m) Tuncay – £5m Diego Arismendi – £2.5m (could rise to £4.2m) Danny Collins – £2.75m Asmir Begovic - £3.25m Dave Kitson - £5.5m Seyi Olofinjana - £3m Amdy Faye - £1m Abdoulaye Faye - £2.25m Andrew Davies - £1.5m Ibrahima Sonko - £2m Tom Soares – £1.25m (could rise to £2m) Michael Tonge – £2m Matthew Etherington £2.5m James Beattie - £3.5m Ryan Shawcross £2m £56m bottom value potentially could be £61m+ So £60m is about right and we can still barely string a pass together!! where is your proof that these are the exact fee's? many of the fee's were reported as undisclosed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2010 14:20:45 GMT
A list of all TP's transfer ins - Kenwyne Jones - £8m Dean Whitehead - £3m (could rise to £5m) Rob Huth - £5m (rising to £6m) Tuncay – £5m Diego Arismendi – £2.5m (could rise to £4.2m) Danny Collins – £2.75m Asmir Begovic - £3.25m Dave Kitson - £5.5m Seyi Olofinjana - £3m Amdy Faye - £1m Abdoulaye Faye - £2.25m Andrew Davies - £1.5m Ibrahima Sonko - £2m Tom Soares – £1.25m (could rise to £2m) Michael Tonge – £2m Matthew Etherington £2.5m James Beattie - £3.5m Ryan Shawcross £2m £56m bottom value potentially could be £61m+ So £60m is about right and we can still barely string a pass together!! where is your proof that these are the exact fee's? many of the fee's were reported as undisclosed The only one of them I don't recall is Davies'. The rest look spot on and are.
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 15, 2010 14:24:28 GMT
How can you count players that are no longer at the club?
Olifinjana, Beattie etc
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Aug 15, 2010 14:52:13 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by french toast on Aug 15, 2010 23:38:10 GMT
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Post by canadianmoose on Aug 16, 2010 0:02:13 GMT
Is it the players though? Or is it the system they are being instructed to play?
It must be difficult to pass to a midfield that is basically sitting on top of the back 4.
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Post by french toast on Aug 16, 2010 0:05:24 GMT
Is it the players though? Or is it the system they are being instructed to play? It must be difficult to pass to a midfield that is basically sitting on top of the back 4. our successful sytemwhich has actually made us the most successful team in england, when you take our starting position in account??? or doesnt that fit your agenda?
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Post by Irish Stokie on Aug 16, 2010 0:34:56 GMT
How some of you see any positives today i dont know. Pulis is a fucking dinosaur who will get found out. Come xmas a few here will have changed their tune. If you honestly believe that your an idiot. He has progressed year on year since returning and has turned us from Champ relegation contenders into a mid table Prem team. Yes we had a bad result, one bad result so cop on to yourself
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Post by french toast on Aug 16, 2010 0:36:57 GMT
How some of you see any positives today i dont know. Pulis is a fucking dinosaur who will get found out. Come xmas a few here will have changed their tune. If you honestly believe that your an idiot. He has progressed year on year since returning and has turned us from Champ relegation contenders into a mid table Prem team. Yes we had a bad result, one bad result so cop on to yourself but that doesnt suit their agenda ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by magwitch on Aug 16, 2010 10:57:55 GMT
Tony Pulis has been one of Stoke's most successful managers and, on the face of it, deserves the plaudits of everyone with the Club's best interests at heart. However he has managed all this by employing rather negative and defensive tactics, and shows no sign or inclination to change his basic approach to the game. So yes, I agree. Unless he adapts as other teams devise ways to beat Stoke, his success will evaporate into the air, and from now until the end of the transfer window will show us all what to expect from the team this season. Personally I don't like his approach to the game or the tactics he often chooses to adopt. That is why I seldom go these days, despite the Premier League. Waddington knew that football was about entertainment, excitement, and skill as much as about success. We have seen very little of this from Tony Pulis's teams. From the 30s to the 80s Stoke City built up a reputation for good football, a passing game played mostly on the ground. In his time with the club Pulis has practically destroyed whatever historical reputation Stoke had left after the largely unsuccessful era of the late 80s and 90s.
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Post by PickSCFC on Aug 16, 2010 10:59:48 GMT
i missed this gem of a thread as i wasnt on here on sat, one game in and some numpty starts knee jerking everywhere, unbelievable
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