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Post by SydenhamStokie on Jun 28, 2010 8:50:10 GMT
Law 10 states:
'A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal'
For all the talk of the linesman and referee getting it wrong and the use of goal line technology, I have not heard anyone say the obvious - the Germans (well, certainly the goalkeeper) knew a goal had been scored, so why didn't they tell the ref/kick the ball into their own net?
The ex-professionals on BBC1 etc. are so quick to blame the officials, but never ask the obvious question - that would involve players showing some honesty, which would never do...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 8:51:32 GMT
Law 10 states: 'A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal' For all the talk of the linesman and referee getting it wrong and the use of goal line technology, I have not heard anyone say the obvious - the Germans (well, certainly the goalkeeper) knew a goal had been scored, so why didn't they tell the ref/kick the ball into their own net? The ex-professionals on BBC1 etc. are so quick to blame the officials, but never ask the obvious question - that would involve players showing some honesty, which would never do... I’m sure James, Terry, Upson and co. wouldn’t have been clambering to get to the ref to tell him it was a goal if the shoe was on the other foot. It doesn’t make any difference anyway, we didn’t deserve anything from the game. Germany could have scored 7 or 8.
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Post by lew86 on Jun 28, 2010 8:54:35 GMT
It shouldnt get to that point, even though it was a fucking mile over the line.
Did you see the Mexico game aswell? Took about 3 minutes for the ref to be proven that tevez (or someone) was offside for their goal. By that time they could have replayed it 11 times over.
I'm not finding excuses for our game though, we fucking deserved it.
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Post by Bick on Jun 28, 2010 8:56:16 GMT
So if Wolves do this against stoke on the opening day, you'd want sorro to gather the ball, stand up and boot it into the net, to be a gent. Do me a favour
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Post by nott1 on Jun 28, 2010 8:56:13 GMT
Does the goalie have eyes in the back of his head? It's down to the linesman.
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Post by SydenhamStokie on Jun 28, 2010 9:00:32 GMT
I’m sure James, Terry, Upson and co. wouldn’t have been clambering to get to the ref to tell him it was a goal if the shoe was on the other foot. It doesn’t make any difference anyway, we didn’t deserve anything from the game. Germany could have scored 7 or 8. Of course we deserved to lose but if we had gone in at 2-2 we would have played a different game in the second half (and would still have lost)
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Post by Billy_Britain_HCAFC on Jun 28, 2010 9:00:51 GMT
Geoff Hurst didn't own up..
What goes around, comes around
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jun 28, 2010 9:05:45 GMT
No offense Sydenham but the title of this thread has to be one of the daftest questions I've ever heard.
You might as well ask why Ronaldo doesn't tell the referee that 90% of the free kicks he gets are as a result of cheating.
Imagine Germany's keeper tells the ref that it was a goal and England go on to win the match. The poor sod would be publicly executed when he got back home.
A touch unrealistic mate?
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Post by bostonstokie on Jun 28, 2010 9:51:40 GMT
To continue the theme, how often do you think a player gets away with being offside and knows it? Should he put his hand up and say "no thank you" for the goal he then scores? Should Shawcross ask the referee to award a penalty when he pulls on an opponent's shirt during a corner kick?
Golf would be the only sport I can think of where that sort of thing would/does happen...
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Post by knowles on Jun 28, 2010 9:59:57 GMT
I wouldn't expect any professional footballer to 'own up'- never in a million years. It was so far over the line that the ball was nearly in Hanley Park. It is nobody's fault but the linesman.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 28, 2010 10:00:36 GMT
And anyway as bexhillpotter said above, Neuer did not know it had gone over. He knew it was close but as it bounced out he assumed it hadn't crossed the line so played on. He only knew when he saw the replay later and admitted it should have been a goal!
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Post by podolipotter on Jun 28, 2010 10:03:54 GMT
Neuer saw it quite clearly bounce behind the goal line - a picture in the Daily Mail proves this. But this tab reminds me of the old maxim "Football is a game for gentlemen played by ruffians, while Rugby is a game for ruffians played by gentelmen". How very true.
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Post by northweststokie on Jun 28, 2010 10:07:39 GMT
I thought that at first, but when I saw the replay, Neuer was looking away from the goal and by the time he had turned around the ball had bounced out again, so he played on.
Why FIFA can't just use the TV replays to call tough decision I don't know.
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Post by adamsson on Jun 28, 2010 10:22:26 GMT
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jun 28, 2010 10:34:49 GMT
I don't blame the Germans, very, very few players would own up to it being a goal, I know i wouldn't. However, if the linesman isn't sacked by FIFA then it' a disgrace, awful officiating and clearly not up to the pace of the game.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 28, 2010 10:36:24 GMT
didnt see this thread
if a snooker player double tapped the ball or a golfer did the same they would immediatly hold their hands up
most cricketers will walk when they know for certain they nicked the ball
similar occurences in football are all to rare. them germans knew it went over and it would be nice for them to have walked to the semi circle for a new kick off
that is somthing that FIFA should address imo
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Jun 28, 2010 10:36:31 GMT
For all the talk of the linesman and referee getting it wrong and the use of goal line technology, I have not heard anyone say the obvious - the Germans (well, certainly the goalkeeper) knew a goal had been scored, so why didn't they tell the ref/kick the ball into their own net? Are you insane?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 28, 2010 11:13:15 GMT
the reading players should have owned up to the eustace goal that never was
plenty of teams in the past have let the oppo walk a goal in when needs be (after clarky's heart attack
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jun 28, 2010 11:21:39 GMT
salopstick: Players will get away with whatever they can if it gives them an advantage mate and, although I fully understand you wish that sportsmen were well................sporting! it will never happen in a World Cup where the stakes are so high.
The fact is, they shouldn't even need to chase after the ref to get the right decision since we have the means to ensure the correct decisions are made but the 'powers that be' steadfastly refuse the chance to remove 90% of the ill-will towards referees. In any case, incidents like Saturday's and the Reading/Watford game rested on the sheer incompetence of an individual. I'm also convinced that, even if the German players had told the ref the ball was in the goal, he still would still have stood by his original decision. That, I believe, is what they are instructed to do.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Jun 28, 2010 11:23:12 GMT
Would you?
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Post by ki on Jun 28, 2010 11:23:56 GMT
Geoff Hurst didn't own up..
What goes around, comes around well said
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 11:43:30 GMT
Geoff Hurst didn't own up..
What goes around, comes around It was over the line though.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 28, 2010 11:50:13 GMT
I would have played on.
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Post by biddulphchav on Jun 28, 2010 11:53:02 GMT
I conclude that you are retarded.
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Post by monkhousestokie on Jun 28, 2010 11:56:38 GMT
From BBC news:
Germany keeper Manuel Neuer admitted his side were lucky not to have conceded. Neuer commented: "I tried not to react to the referee and just concentrate on what was happening - it was difficult. I knew it was close. "Then I saw it on the television in the doping control office and what actually happened. I knew it was tight - probably about two metres!"
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 28, 2010 12:04:15 GMT
But this tab reminds me of the old maxim "Football is a game for gentlemen played by ruffians, while Rugby is a game for ruffians played by gentelmen". How very true. Bollocks. Just think of the eye-gouging, raking, taking blood capsules onto the pitch, etc that goes on by those "gentlemen" in rugby. Football has it's own problems but I personally hate it when rugby f'in union is held up as a wonderfull sport without any problems.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 28, 2010 12:06:27 GMT
1. would you be happy if the stoke keeper did it even if it resulted in relegation
2. would stanley matthews have owned up
i suspect the answers would be no and yes
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jun 28, 2010 12:09:54 GMT
And the award for most ridiculous post of the week (would have been all time but we have some knobs on here) goes to Mr sydenham
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Post by dexter97 on Jun 28, 2010 12:27:48 GMT
Geoff Hurst didn't own up..
What goes around, comes around Given that this particular debate is not about whether or not a goal was scored, but whether or not the protagonists believed that a goal had been scored, I think that's a tad unfair. The England players were convinced it had gone over the line in '66, otherwise why did they run off and celebrate rather than making sure it was in? I can't remember if it was Hunt coming in at the back post with a great opportunity to follow it in, but intead just wheeled-away. But for what it's worth, I don't blame Neuer. James would've done the same, and he'd have been CRUCIFIED by sections of the support if he'd owned-up in similar circumstances.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jun 28, 2010 12:44:55 GMT
How can someone who by his own admission occupies the moral high ground say "But for what it's worth, I don't blame Neuer"? ???
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