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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2010 8:40:46 GMT
I wont shed a tear when he inevitably leaves but £4M is an absolute insult in my book. Particularly from a club that values all of their players at triple their real value.
I would tell their pug nosed dig wad manager to get real about some of his absurd valuations before I would ever sell him at that price.
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Post by lew86 on May 21, 2010 8:44:54 GMT
I wont shed a tear when he inevitably leaves but £4M is an absolute insult in my book. Particularly from a club that values all of their players at triple their real value. I would tell their pug nosed dig wad manager to get real about some of his absurd valuations before I would ever sell him at that price. Very true. I fucking hate that granny haired prick. He's such a smug twat that thinks he and his club is better than it is. Like newcastle fans.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2010 8:46:31 GMT
What do you think is fair though, Sheikh?
We bought him for £5m when he had one more year of his peak career in front of him. And he's hardly appreciated in value this year, has he?
He also wants away and Pulis probably is pretty keen to get rid too. Bruce knows all this so isn't going to offer us much more, is he?
If he has come in with 4m, it seems a fair opening gambit given the most we could ask for with a straight face is our money back.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 8:49:00 GMT
Sheikh makes a good point.
Perhaps Tone should do a media interview and say "I'm not sure if the bent nose fucker can afford him to be honest, Nige".
I'd go back with a 7 million offer for KJ and see what the fat fucker has to say then.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2010 8:50:33 GMT
I take the view FM, that he hasn't depreciated in value, we got him cheap and he's in the early stages of his contract. At the very least money back and realistically more. In Sunderland (where they seem to operate on some sort of different currency) £8M!
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2010 8:50:48 GMT
I'd go back with a 7 million offer for KJ and see what the fat fucker has to say then. We probably tried that last summer ;D
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Post by soicowboy2 on May 21, 2010 8:52:02 GMT
............and he'll go. Great to have such inside info................cheers ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif)
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on May 21, 2010 8:54:00 GMT
He's had his chance to "light it up" this season Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time.
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Post by soicowboy2 on May 21, 2010 8:56:14 GMT
I wont shed a tear when he inevitably leaves but £4M is an absolute insult in my book. Particularly from a club that values all of their players at triple their real value. I would tell their pug nosed dig wad manager to get real about some of his absurd valuations before I would ever sell him at that price. So a tabloid prints a story- it automatically must be true and we ineviatably sell him for their alleged price. I do think some moan for the sake of it. How many of these stories did we have to put up with last Summer? How many wrist slashers as a result? Maybe we will sell Tuncay but if you start moaning re stories in newspapers ( using the term loosely) it will be a long pre Season Momo. We may well sell him but let's wait and see eh and for how much?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 8:56:34 GMT
He's had his chance to "light it up" this season Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time. I tend to agree with this.
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Post by mikeyb99 on May 21, 2010 9:05:48 GMT
So that's Tunny gone for £4m, Beattie gone for between £0-£2m, and Kitson free-transferred. That's £14m of player sold for between £4m-£6m, and only two senior strikers left on our books - both ageing, one with a history of injuries, and the other with a goalscoring record most centre-halves would be disappointed with.
I think this will be a watershed summer for TP transfer-wise. Get things wrong again on another big transfer and I think it could be catastrophic in the short-term and long-term.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2010 9:08:31 GMT
I wont shed a tear when he inevitably leaves but £4M is an absolute insult in my book. Particularly from a club that values all of their players at triple their real value. I would tell their pug nosed dig wad manager to get real about some of his absurd valuations before I would ever sell him at that price. So a tabloid prints a story- it automatically must be true and we ineviatably sell him for their alleged price. I do think some moan for the sake of it. How many of these stories did we have to put up with last Summer? How many wrist slashers as a result? Maybe we will sell Tuncay but if you start moaning re stories in newspapers ( using the term loosely) it will be a long pre Season Momo. We may well sell him but let's wait and see eh and for how much? I'm commenting on the rumour soi, I'm not accepting it as fact, if we could only comment on transfer fact we might as well switch this messageboard off between May and August!
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Post by Olgrligm on May 21, 2010 9:10:25 GMT
He's had his chance to "light it up" this season Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time. The only way I can see Tuncay fitting into our team is if he does a lot of work over the summer trying to work out exactly what he needs to do to fit in on the right hand side of our midfield and then adjusting himself to that position. If he started before pre-season began, I'm sure at least one member of our coaching staff would give him a bit of extra help in the pre-season. Dave Kitson kept getting extra chances, so I don't see why Tuncay wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 9:13:41 GMT
So that's Tunny gone for £4m, Beattie gone for between £0-£2m, and Kitson free-transferred. That's £14m of player sold for between £4m-£6m, and only two senior strikers left on our books - both ageing, one with a history of injuries, and the other with a goalscoring record most centre-halves would be disappointed with. I think this will be a watershed summer for TP transfer-wise. Get things wrong again on another big transfer and I think it could be catastrophic in the short-term and long-term. On the other hand we sold Foster for 1 mill and just made another 1.5 mill on him and he cost nowt. Shawcross cost 1 or 2 mill and is potentially worth ten times that now. Even if Beats was to leave on a free, that 2 million loss would be greatly outweighed by the money we have made for staying up in our first season due mainly to the goals he scored from January onwards. Huth was brought for 5 mill and I think he is a very sound investment. He certainly won’t decrease in value. If Tuncay does go I reckon we will at least get our money back so I wouldn’t believe all you read in the papers. Kitson flopped and we will lose on him. These things happen from time to time in Football.
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Post by lew86 on May 21, 2010 9:14:36 GMT
He's had his chance to "light it up" this season Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time. Actually mate, I'll retract my previous post. You're spot on there. What the fuck was I thinking? I HAVE been impressed with Tunnys work ethic and graft even with his lightweight frame, he gets stuck in, seeing him run across the pitch to push the opposition, its inspiring, it gets the crowd going aswell.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2010 9:21:22 GMT
Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time. The only way I can see Tuncay fitting into our team is if he does a lot of work over the summer trying to work out exactly what he needs to do to fit in on the right hand side of our midfield and then adjusting himself to that position. If he started before pre-season began, I'm sure at least one member of our coaching staff would give him a bit of extra help in the pre-season. Dave Kitson kept getting extra chances, so I don't see why Tuncay wouldn't. But the conventional wisdom seems to be that we're looking for a right-sided Etherington, and that's not him either, is it? He's not a viable first-choice option for Pulis in either of the front 2 roles and he clearly wants out. And Pulis is probably pretty comfortable with that as he can't afford to pay a fringe player, who he is only comfortable using as an occasional sub and will be even further down the pecking order next season, £2m-a-year I think the only thing to decide is the fee. I'm useless at guessing fees. I thought we'd be lucky to get a packet of wine gums for Olofinjana and thought we'd accept almost anything to get rid of Beattie and his wages ASAP, and both of those appear to be wide of the mark. So I'm going to give up guessing
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2010 9:31:47 GMT
I'm being perfectly serious when I ask this but what is his position? Central Striker?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2010 9:37:51 GMT
When he signed for us the official site described him as an "attacking midfielder". He apparently played 'in the hole' for Boro, and has played wide and in central midfield for Turkey and was , I think, played on the left of a 3 for Fenerbahce. He hasn't got a clue what he is. And neither has Pulis www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/mar/08/newsstory.sport13Gareth Southgate, Boro's manager, says he has never previously encountered a forward as "different" as Tuncay
Capable of operating on both wings, in midfield and as either a deep-lying or orthodox striker, Tuncay has a game that exudes personality, making him extremely difficult for opponents - and, sometimes, team-mates - to second guess. "I don't know my best position," he admitted. "But a big reason why I came to Middlesbrough was that Gareth Southgate wanted me to keep playing with a lot of freedom."
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 9:49:44 GMT
So he’s a left back then?
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Post by pushon on May 21, 2010 9:53:15 GMT
Has he? When was this? I've seen a poor Dean Whitehead given a run in the side thats seen him come good. I've seen Robert Huth go from rocky to rock solid after a run in the team. I've seen Pulis take a 'gamble' on Matty Etherington, and allow him to find form after losing his initial impact. And you know, not once have I seen any of these, or indeed any player since Peter Sweeney, taken off after 5 minutes on the pitch. But I suppose 20 minutes here and there with the odd start chucked in for show is enough time for a player, that thrives with the ball at his feet, to gel and become 'magic' as part of a static team that averages around 30% possession per game. It CAN work, Tuncay has shown that he is up to the graft that is rightly expected of any player wearing the, well, red with white trim, of Stoke City. He just needs to find his place in the team. I'm afraid that can take time. The only way I can see Tuncay fitting into our team is if he does a lot of work over the summer trying to work out exactly what he needs to do to fit in on the right hand side of our midfield and then adjusting himself to that position. If he started before pre-season began, I'm sure at least one member of our coaching staff would give him a bit of extra help in the pre-season. Dave Kitson kept getting extra chances, so I don't see why Tuncay wouldn't. The trouble is, that Kitsons second (season) chance tuned out to be a disaster and maybe TP has this in mind. I'm undecided whether I want to see Tuncay go or not. Iv'e been very underwhelmed by his occasional displays for Stoke, but his reputation as a hard working, skillful international forward, must surely mean that he can become an effective player for us. ???
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on May 21, 2010 9:53:19 GMT
I think I'd label him as a supporting Striker, 'In the hole'.
A bit of a Joe Cole, no out and out position, but the natural talent to influence a game from just about anywhere in the final third. Theres no doubt that he's a flair player, but to be honest, I think that he would suit Stoke City perfectly if we gave him a license to roam. He will track back and close down, and he will create space for others... Just what a very regimented Stoke team needs.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 21, 2010 9:56:22 GMT
So he’s a left back then? Couldn't be any worse than Danny Collins. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 9:58:54 GMT
So he’s a left back then? Couldn't be any worse than Danny Collins. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) You want to join my "society"? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by jen on May 21, 2010 10:02:08 GMT
The only way I can see Tuncay fitting into our team is if he does a lot of work over the summer trying to work out exactly what he needs to do to fit in on the right hand side of our midfield and then adjusting himself to that position. If he started before pre-season began, I'm sure at least one member of our coaching staff would give him a bit of extra help in the pre-season. Dave Kitson kept getting extra chances, so I don't see why Tuncay wouldn't. The trouble is, that Kitsons second (season) chance tuned out to be a disaster and maybe TP has this in mind. ??? To be fair, on the pitch, Kitson's second season was looking promising, both at the start of the season and when he came back into the team. He himself said that he was getting the hang of his role in the team. It was "off the pitch" issues and his attitude that screwed it up for him. Pulis has always praised Tuncay's attitude in training etc ("good as gold"). I'd like to see Tuncay here for another season.
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Post by pushon on May 21, 2010 10:02:14 GMT
I think I'd label him as a supporting Striker, 'In the hole'. A bit of a Joe Cole, no out and out position, but the natural talent to influence a game from just about anywhere in the final third. Theres no doubt that he's a flair player, but to be honest, I think that he would suit Stoke City perfectly if we gave him a license to roam. He will track back and close down, and he will create space for others... Just what a very regimented Stoke team needs. I'm being particularly negative here, but what I mostly see from Tuncay, is a player who, when he receives the ball loses it and then chases after it a lot. Or, when the ball is played to him, he just flicks it anywhere and usually to an opponent. I'd love to see it work out for him though, it'd mean we'd started to play more expansive football.
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Post by Bick on May 21, 2010 10:03:49 GMT
If we recoup our losses. Sell.
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Post by tahmet on May 21, 2010 10:05:43 GMT
How can we say "we value him at £5m+" when we haven't backed that up by playing him very often. He's a 1 in 3 game striker and his goals/starts shows this.
I think selling him will be disasterous for Stoke City FC - Not that we won't survive next year - Of course we will,
but if we ever think about bringing other flair players here, they will think twice after seeing how Tuncay was treated. I mean he's the captain of Turkey and had to wait - what 3 months for a start?!?!
Selling him will send out the message that Stoke can only play with solid players like Wilko, Shawcross, etc. Players like Etherington and Whelan? will be put off about coming. That is what will affect us in the long run.
Also I think the story could have legs. Steve Bruce has long been an admirer of Tunny since his Boro days.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on May 21, 2010 10:06:23 GMT
Back to the Jurassic period then.
You should be ashamed of yourself March.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 21, 2010 10:07:55 GMT
Couldn't be any worse than Danny Collins. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) You want to join my "society"? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) ;D For what it's worth, I don't actually think we'll sell Tuncay. At the minute we've got just enough strikers to get through an injury crisis, this is probably the number of strikers we need to get through a season. Kitson and Beattie are definite goners and it will be a hard job bringing in two players better than what we already have. It would take us buying two target men and then Rodallega to replace Kitson, Beattie and Tuncay and I just don't think we're that dynamic. How many forwards will sign knowing that there are two others about to sign as well? Having to replace three strikers just seems too much of a job for one transfer window to me, I think Tuncay will be on his last chance.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 21, 2010 10:12:25 GMT
I think I'd label him as a supporting Striker, 'In the hole'. A bit of a Joe Cole, no out and out position, but the natural talent to influence a game from just about anywhere in the final third. Theres no doubt that he's a flair player, but to be honest, I think that he would suit Stoke City perfectly if we gave him a license to roam. He will track back and close down, and he will create space for others... Just what a very regimented Stoke team needs. This. Completely disagree with you about him fiitting into Stoke's 'very regimented' system though. Indeed I can't for the life of me imagine what we were thinking when we first looked into signing the bloke.
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