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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 12:00:46 GMT
Whydelilah You seem to be forgetting that it is Pulis who sets us up to play this way. Players like Kitson and Tuncay need the ball into feet to be effective. Stoke dont play that way so blame Pulis not Mama. Maybe if the "fan favourites" Glenn Whelan or Liam Lawrence could pick a pass instead of going backwards or sideways we wouldnt need to play so direct?? Why do they always escape criticism when they are garbage? Yes Kitson had a decent start to this season, but you seem to forget that he was a total disgrace last season. Throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity. Not looking remotely interested in games. I agree that Mama may not be good enough but he is as good as anything in our current squad. Kitson and Tuncay might be better footballers but it is clear to see they dont fit into our style of play. Again thats Pulis fault not Mamas. I agree it's Tone's fault. That's who my gripe is with. He shouldn't pick the useless fucking lump. He offers us fuck all. mama offers us a lot but people dont see it
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:02:35 GMT
He offered just as much (or just as little) as Kitson and Tuncay. Only goes to show how much we miss Fuller, our best player by a country mile.
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Post by mistersausage on Apr 12, 2010 12:04:45 GMT
I agree it's Tone's fault. That's who my gripe is with. He shouldn't pick the useless fucking lump. He offers us fuck all. mama offers us a lot but people dont see it I see it quite plainly. He does offer a lot. A lot of garbage
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 12:05:39 GMT
mama offers us a lot but people dont see it I see it quite plainly. He does offer a lot. A lot of garbage we were even worse when he came off yesterday tho wernt we?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 12:07:04 GMT
I see it quite plainly. He does offer a lot. A lot of garbage we were even worse when he came off yesterday tho wernt we? Because Tunny was on his own up front. He needs Kits up there with him. Tuncay likes the ball to feet. We play it to face. Not a great match.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 12:13:03 GMT
we were even worse when he came off yesterday tho wernt we? Because Tunny was on his own up front. He needs Kits up there with him. Tuncay likes the ball to feet. We play it to face. Not a great match. when tunny and mama have played together tunny has played well
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Apr 12, 2010 12:16:02 GMT
Whydelilah You seem to be forgetting that it is Pulis who sets us up to play this way. Players like Kitson and Tuncay need the ball into feet to be effective. Stoke dont play that way so blame Pulis not Mama. Maybe if the "fan favourites" Glenn Whelan or Liam Lawrence could pick a pass instead of going backwards or sideways we wouldnt need to play so direct?? Why do they always escape criticism when they are garbage? Yes Kitson had a decent start to this season, but you seem to forget that he was a total disgrace last season. Throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity. Not looking remotely interested in games. I agree that Mama may not be good enough but he is as good as anything in our current squad. Kitson and Tuncay might be better footballers but it is clear to see they dont fit into our style of play. Again thats Pulis fault not Mamas. Last season as gone mate, forget, we're lookin toward's the future. The donkey must go.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:18:37 GMT
whydelilah
You shoot yourself in the foot with your arguement. You say Tuncay needs it into feet fair enough, but we dont play that way. We play just as much hoofball when Mama isnt on the pitch. So therefore that renders Tuncay useless does it not? Its all well and good calling Mama a useless lump but he only does what he is instruceted to do by the manager. Your problem is that you won't openly criticise Pulis cus you will make yourself look silly so try to balme Mama for us playing direct. Utter garbage!
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Post by eriksson74 on Apr 12, 2010 12:20:13 GMT
I see it quite plainly. He does offer a lot. A lot of garbage we were even worse when he came off yesterday tho wernt we? Hustler & March who keeps saying the same, the reason is why is we went one up top with personel in an unacustomed side, whilst Wolves went with Lumo up top and banged it long to give them the opportunity to get out more. It was fuck all to do with Mama's ability. I feel Pulis is doing the same as what he did with Cresser. Stubbonly playing him for one last thanks for his previous efforts before moving him on. The contract extension was to thank Mama and allow us to get a fee for him, well a little bit of money as premiership players regadless how good they are tend to command a decent fee
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:21:23 GMT
Cyprus
You say look towards the future but the Kitson lovers keep saying "look how well he did at the start of the season" lol. All past tense isnt it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 12:21:35 GMT
whydelilah You shoot yourself in the foot with your arguement. You say Tuncay needs it into feet fair enough, but we dont play that way. We play just as much hoofball when Mama isnt on the pitch. So therefore that renders Tuncay useless does it not? Its all well and good calling Mama a useless lump but he only does what he is instruceted to do by the manager. Your problem is that you won't openly criticise Pulis cus you will make yourself look silly so try to balme Mama for us playing direct. Utter garbage! My rant is aimed at Pulis, not Mama. Mama’s a smashing kiddie and he’s been a fine servant but his time has come. Tone needs to move him on now, he offers us nothing. Kits is a much better target man although it’s not his natural position. He wins headers and flick ons and the way we play I’d go with him and one of Fuller/Tuncay. If Tuncay improves his performances on the wing, and Tone decides to give him a run, then perhaps right midfield is his place?
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 12, 2010 12:23:18 GMT
I like Mama a true professional.
But Im sorry, goal scorer or not, someone who is labelled a striker should have put away that sitter he skyed at the weekend.
It's purely as simple as that.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:27:38 GMT
Whydelilah
Id love to see Tuncay given a run on the right or just behind the front 2 but it will never happen with Pulis at the helm. As I said earlier im all for replacing Mama but I dont think Kitson is the answer. Its not his natural position and it shows. He looks frustrated when he is on the pitch and im not convinced he wants to be at Stoke at all to be honest. Problem is there isnt alot of natural and more importantly affordable target men out there. Heskey - No, Carew - Wouldnt come to Stoke, Zigic - Maybe? After that im struggling. Any suggestions?
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Post by eriksson74 on Apr 12, 2010 12:35:52 GMT
we could always change the way we play then have to find another "target man"?
TP likes to play % football, create set pieces around the last third, this can be done and prob more effectively if the ball went into feet or played down the chanels.
We would have to get better passes from midfield, thus if we improved that we would improve ball retention and also have the ability to create more from open play thus making us less one dimensional.
Piece of Piss really ;D
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 12, 2010 12:37:41 GMT
Would some have been as forgiving if that miss had cost us three vital points to get out of the drop zone if that was the position we were in?.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:37:57 GMT
eriksson
Sounds good in theory but we would get murdered week in week out playing tippy tappy nonsense
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 12, 2010 12:46:27 GMT
We definately shouldn't change how we play, no way. The system works, two mid-table finishes in the Premier League is an outstanding achievement.
However, Mama should be replaced in the team with someone who can head a ball and score a goal or two.
I wouldn't question his work rate at all, far from it and the fact that Fuller likes playing alongside him. The worrying thing is that when his name is mentioned in the starting XI, it therefore signals almost no threat on goal from one of our two strikers.
You pray that Fuller is on his A-Game when him and Mama play together.
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Post by eriksson74 on Apr 12, 2010 12:52:45 GMT
its not tippy tappy nonesense, a better delivered ball, be it from the defence or midfield rather than the aimless Higgy punt would be more effective than the current bunt to Mama.
We need to keep the ball better, and playing it long is not an issue, if the pass is in the channel to force the throw in or is played into a "target mans" feet or chest, if have ability they keep possession as 9 times out of ten they control the ball or they darw a foul.
We need better distribution from midfiled as Pulis plays his midfield deep, so when we win it back we need to keep the ball to force more pressure and allow the back 4 a breather, therefore better passing from midfiled is essential and far from being tippy tappy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 12:53:40 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 12, 2010 13:07:42 GMT
All of this is pretty pointless because whatever way you dress it up, the sum total of all the discussion is that the 3 main protagonists on this thread, Kitson, Tuncay and Mama, are all hopeless.
The question is, which is less hopeless than the other.
Mama is less hopeless than the other two because he at least does, for the most part, what the manager asks him to do. Like the others, Mama feeds of little or no service, but he gets on with the job in hand.
Sometimes he is good, sometimes he is bad. Often, this season, he looks a little out of his depth.
Despite all of that, Mama is no worse than either Tuncay or Kitson and he cost us a considerable amount less.
Akin's main point, as far as I read it anyway, isn't to defend the superb ability of Mama but merely to point out, that yet again, he is being singled out for harsh criticism when the likes of Whelan, Etherington, Kitson, Tuncay and Whitehead all had games several notches or two worse than what Mama produced yesterday.
Mama was OK yesterday. He won his share of headers, he held the ball up OK at times and he got in the box to miss a sitter. What did Kitson do exactly other than to sulk about the pitch all game and throw another hissy when he was subbed?
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Post by eriksson74 on Apr 12, 2010 14:10:06 GMT
Kitson was putting himself about, winning headers holding the ball up and playing a nice little cushioned pass into Ethers to allow Mama the oportunity to embarress himself in front of goal.
Therefore Ethers and Kiston are to blame for creating the chance.
To be honest its not just about yesterday is it, its Mama's contribution to the side over the season. He has had the odd good game but overall he has failed to justify his inclusion in the side. As I said on another thread, I feel its groundhog day whereby TP keeps picking him for one last season regardless of form as a thanks to his previous effortS, IE Cresswell last season.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Apr 12, 2010 15:56:55 GMT
Cyprus You say look towards the future but the Kitson lovers keep saying "look how well he did at the start of the season" lol. All past tense isnt it. Kitson's overall game is head and shoulders better than Sid's, you've only got to look at the Man C. goal in the cup.
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 12, 2010 16:10:23 GMT
Bizarrely Pulis says that Ric and Tuncay can't play together and do the same things but obviously he is so wrong on that and says this because he does not want them to link up and become that lethal partnership that many people think they could be but then the baffoon then goes and plays two target men up top to do the same things ie flick a header on to themselves and both dont have blistering pace either so we offer nothing in that sense,like i say bizarre and very hypocritical....
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 16:12:14 GMT
Bizarrely Pulis says that Ric and Tuncay can't play together and do the same things but obviously he is so wrong on that and says this because he does not want them to link up and become that lethal partnership that many people think they could be but then the baffoon then goes and plays two target men up top to do the same things ie flick a header on to themselves and both dont have blistering pace either so we offer nothing in that sense,like i say bizarre and very hypocritical.... still, pulis isnt doing a bad job is he
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 12, 2010 16:16:39 GMT
Why though can't Ric and Tun play together 'in pulis's' eyes only but two target men can???
very strange and another slap in the faces of the fans who pay crazy money like yesterday to be patronised.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 16:18:21 GMT
Why though can't Ric and Tun play together 'in pulis's' eyes only but two target men can??? very strange and another slap in the faces of the fans who pay crazy money like yesterday to be patronised. our midfield isnt good enough for the capet football so we will always play with a target man
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Post by jarhead on Apr 12, 2010 19:48:05 GMT
He has spent/wasted 50million ffs Hustler and the midfield CAN'T pass a f--kin football between them to feet in the best league in the world as people keep telling me,i really do despair at this! And who is to blame for that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 19:51:23 GMT
He's also achieved premiership safety 2 seasons running with a TOTAL of 88 points up to now and still he has negative tools slagging off his every move,VERY VERY SAD.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 12, 2010 20:00:08 GMT
Sad? what in stating the facts you clown in which many feel that we can do better with what we have got now!!! Now thats sad to ignore the paying public and not try to make our talented players play with freedom or with the better players around them at the same bloody time and then patronise the fans again in saying 'Mama was fantastic' in the worst prem game probably ever yesterday which was a new low even for pulis and he has high standards in this field.
I question your sanity and the very few others aswell who must be windup merchants.
I could not agree more with what the wolves fans sang...a reminder....BORING BORING BORING BORING... HOW DO YOU WATCH THAT EVERY WEEK....im starting to question it myself actually?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 20:05:43 GMT
I suggest you view the personel abuse thread on the GDB if you think i'm a wind up merchant to see the views people on here have of yourself and by the way the BORING BORING BORING would fit in very nicely with 99% of your posts.
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