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Post by RAF on Apr 11, 2010 19:28:13 GMT
Not quite as embarrassing as Mama's miss today though.
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Post by cliffo23 on Apr 11, 2010 19:29:18 GMT
As far as i can see it, the manager is payed to get the club into the best position he can & get the most out of his players. He is also payed to entertain the supporters of his club by winning as many games as he can. Obviously you cant win them all, but to give yourself the best chance you pick your best starting 11. How he see's that mama fits into this i dont know, how many chances must this guy get? It seems to me that tony is going off the arsenal fa cup & fulham performances to me. I cant think of any other performances where mama has had any impact! Like i said earlier, untill he can get someone in who can do the job mama is supposed to do at a better level, we are stuck with him. The only hope i can see is that supporters let their feelings known to the manager on the next meet the manager event, and ask him what he see's in him that nobody else can
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Apr 11, 2010 19:33:59 GMT
Whilst I disagree with slagging off our own players, it is true that Mama has been a great servant and has been an important cog in a big wheel. He has scored some memorable goals along the way ala Bristol brace and the winner vs Villa in our debut home fixture in the Prem. However, enough is enough after today. Today just higlighted his form overall this season. We need to progress and move on and away from Mama being a 1st team fixture in this team. The miss today was woeful, embarrasing, inept and downright outrageous. Most players in our team, regardless of their natural position would have scored that chance today. Why the hell Pulis brought Kitson off for Tunny was I will never know. He was getting into the game whereas Mama was nowhere near it. If Mama is keeping players like Tunny out of the 1st eleven picture, then we have to question Pulis' judgement on this matter. Ask yourselves this question....Would Mama get into any other Premier league 1st team squad, nevermind starting 11?
SGT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 19:35:19 GMT
What is embarrassing is some so called fans{or though not in my eyes}cheering when Mama got injured how pathetic is that?Yes he was poor but does he really deserve that?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 11, 2010 19:37:50 GMT
this fucking board is embarrassing ffs, we draw a game of football away from home and the board goes into melt down, some of you need to take a long hard look at yourselves, we are 10th in the league yet still people fucking moan Anybody who spent £38 on a ticket today (like me) and travelled to watch that pile of shyte has EVERY REASON to complain mate.. All this subservient bullshit that people like you spout gets us no-where... Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that TP is not getting the best out of his squad because of his intransigence regarding team selection and tactics...That doesn't mean you dislike TP..simply that we could be playing much better AND effective football..if he used a bit more imagination and had a bit more flair...
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 11, 2010 19:39:23 GMT
to be Hustler, I agree. Noone can moan at 7/9 points from 3 games against teams who had everything to play for. Ok, we'd all have loved to get all 9 points, but we've had another ace season.
But I can also see why folk are banging their heads against walls with regards to Sidibe, and the day that folk become complacent and not-bothered is the day to worry.
As long as it's constructive and not abusive, then it's fine.
Now, off to crack open my first ale of the night to celebrate not losing.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 11, 2010 19:41:00 GMT
this fucking board is embarrassing ffs, we draw a game of football away from home and the board goes into melt down, some of you need to take a long hard look at yourselves, we are 10th in the league yet still people fucking moan Anybody who spent £38 on a ticket today (like me) and travelled to watch that pile of shyte has EVERY REASON to complain mate.. All this subservient bullshit that people like you spout gets us no-where... Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that TP is not getting the best out of his squad because of his intransigence regarding team selection and tactics...That doesn't mean you dislike TP..simply that we could be playing much better AND effective football..if he used a bit more imagination and had a bit more flair... Spot on wizz,don't have your own opinion you are not allowed as you have money to burn!!!
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Post by cliffo23 on Apr 11, 2010 19:42:12 GMT
What is embarrassing is some so called fans{or though not in my eyes}cheering when Mama got injured how pathetic is that?Yes he was poor but does he really deserve that? Well even though i question the player & his role at the club, i must say i have never booed the guy. I wouldnt do that to one of our own players.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 11, 2010 19:45:38 GMT
to be Hustler, I agree. Noone can moan at 7/9 points from 3 games against teams who had everything to play for. Ok, we'd all have loved to get all 9 points, but we've had another ace season. But I can also see why folk are banging their heads against walls with regards to Sidibe, and the day that folk become complacent and not-bothered is the day to worry. As long as it's constructive and not abusive, then it's fine. Now, off to crack open my first ale of the night to celebrate not losing. the thing is mate, i dont think mama should have started this week, i would have had kits and tuncay up front but mama started and had an ok game, yes he should of scored that chance but he played ok, what really pisses me off is the people who slash there wrists over a point at wolves and people slating mama when in all honesty he wasnt the worst player on the pitch, he played better than kitson today but people are to quick to jump on mama's back, whelan had a bad game today but i dont hear anyone knocking him, its always mama who gets the abuse
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Post by stokelad84 on Apr 11, 2010 19:49:03 GMT
how is it mamas fault that you chose to spend £38?
nobody forced you.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2010 20:13:56 GMT
I spent 38 quid to watch the game and to be brutally honest I was more embarrassed by the fact that we spent 10m on the woefully inadequate Kitson and the complete and utter wankness that is Tuncay.
My embarrassment factor at Mama pales into insignificance by comparison.
My biggest disappointment of today was that Lawrence didn't start. Elokobi is absolutely dreadful and Liam should have started to give us some attacking threat from open play.
Our back 4 was superb (Collins played well again), Rory did his best to do his own job and that of his 3 woeful midfield colleagues. Mama tried his best and did some good things and some bad things (and missed a sitter) whilst Kitson was the best part of useless and Tuncay, entering the fray as a sub, was once again absolutely and totally wank.
Mama is an easy target but he doesn't deserve the stick he is getting after EVERY game.
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Post by stokelad84 on Apr 11, 2010 20:15:39 GMT
well said
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 11, 2010 20:38:41 GMT
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 11, 2010 21:22:07 GMT
The way I see it is that we have 5 forwards..Ric..Kits..Tunc..BT and Mama..and only one of them is any good Agreed.
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Post by steinosjockstrap on Apr 11, 2010 22:14:35 GMT
How can TP claim to be pushing the team on when he perseveres with that utter donkey Sidibe ? Even the most ardent Mama lovers I know have now run out of ways to defend him. The bloke is the the most embaressing,pathetic excuse for a footballer I have seen at Stoke in 30 years of supporting them,& believe me I've seen some crap in that time.
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Post by hoppo123 on Apr 11, 2010 22:28:42 GMT
abouloute shite lots of players were worse than mama today
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Post by Teddler Stokie Born and Bred on Apr 11, 2010 23:29:09 GMT
weve had a quality striker weve got a couple i mean when all of them are playing we smashed arsenal and man city why have we gone backwards when we played like that with all of em on the pitch
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 11, 2010 23:46:12 GMT
I don't know what was expected of Tuncay, we put him and took both forwards off at the same time. What was he supposed to do on his own with no service???
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Post by PoisonedDonkey on Apr 12, 2010 0:26:27 GMT
we need a striker so much.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Apr 12, 2010 9:25:09 GMT
I don't know what was expected of Tuncay, we put him and took both forwards off at the same time. What was he supposed to do on his own with no service??? The donkey at to come off mate. One of his shoes had come off.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 11:35:39 GMT
The only embarassing thing is some of the comments on here from people who clearly didnt go to the game. Yes Mama is out of sorts and needs dropping but there were 4 or 5 equally as bad as if not worse than Mama yesterday. Everyone's fan favourite Whelan was garbage again but seems to yet again escape any criticism. "Super" Dave Kitson was far from super, in fact he was pants! Could have played till Christmas and not scored, but yet people seem to love the guy??? Why I do not know?? As I said months ago he is not the answer to replacing Mama but what do I know eh....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 11:36:17 GMT
It’s pretty simple really. He’s a centre forward and he currently offers us the square root of fuck all.
He’s doesn’t win headers or flick ons, he doesn’t hold it up and bring others into play, he doesn’t work the channels and he doesn’t score fucking goals either. You shouldn’t pick a player on his ability to be able to run around for 90 minutes.
If you are good at running then fuck off and do cross country.
We are currently picking a player on his ability to run around. It’s fucking embarrassing.
If you were a centre forward and Stoke came in for you would you want to come? Messi wouldn’t get in our team at the expense of Mama FFS. The ability to be black and the ability to be tall shouldn’t be essential, especially if you can’t use the ability of being tall to actually win headers.
He needs to go.
Now.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 11:42:33 GMT
Whydelilah
Difference is mama Cost us nowt, Kitson and Tuncay cost 10 million and cant do those things either! Both were garbage yesterday along with the fan favourite Whelan who was utter garbage yet again. Why is it only Mama who gets the abuse? Seems like people need a scapegoat to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 11:47:47 GMT
Whydelilah Difference is mama Cost us nowt, Kitson and Tuncay cost 10 million and cant do those things either! Both were garbage yesterday along with the fan favourite Whelan who was utter garbage yet again. Why is it only Mama who gets the abuse? Seems like people need a scapegoat to me. What is Tuncay supposed to do sitting on the bench? I accept he has been far from brilliant so far but he has shown on his day he has that extra bit of quality in his locker. He needs a fucking run in the side though and he won’t ever get it whilst the big useless lump is in our squad. Collins is benefiting from a run in the side at Left Back, it’s the same for strikers. As for Kits, well I’m not sure what games you have been watching but he winners far more headers than Mama does. He’s got goals in him too as we saw at the start of the season. This is nothing to do with scapegoats, it is to do with him being absolutely fucking shit.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 12, 2010 11:49:55 GMT
when tuncay came on and had no target man to play with he never touched the ball, he needs a target man with him with the system we play
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Post by Paddypotter on Apr 12, 2010 11:52:13 GMT
Akin, just who was Whelan to pass to? Ethers was his only outlet, Whitehead was behind him almost the entire game, as was Delap, the whole team lacked balance. It's not like we haven't seen it before, we played the same sh**e tactic that saw the Liverpool and Sunderland games become 2 of the worst games seen in the prem. Wouldn't matter who plays, they'd be caged and made to look sh**e. If Mama is the only option for Pulis's tictac then he needs to think up another tactic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 11:52:23 GMT
when tuncay came on and had no target man to play with he never touched the ball, he needs a target man with him with the system we play Kitson.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 11:57:10 GMT
Whydelilah
You seem to be forgetting that it is Pulis who sets us up to play this way. Players like Kitson and Tuncay need the ball into feet to be effective. Stoke dont play that way so blame Pulis not Mama. Maybe if the "fan favourites" Glenn Whelan or Liam Lawrence could pick a pass instead of going backwards or sideways we wouldnt need to play so direct?? Why do they always escape criticism when they are garbage?
Yes Kitson had a decent start to this season, but you seem to forget that he was a total disgrace last season. Throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity. Not looking remotely interested in games. I agree that Mama may not be good enough but he is as good as anything in our current squad. Kitson and Tuncay might be better footballers but it is clear to see they dont fit into our style of play. Again thats Pulis fault not Mamas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 11:59:11 GMT
Whydelilah You seem to be forgetting that it is Pulis who sets us up to play this way. Players like Kitson and Tuncay need the ball into feet to be effective. Stoke dont play that way so blame Pulis not Mama. Maybe if the "fan favourites" Glenn Whelan or Liam Lawrence could pick a pass instead of going backwards or sideways we wouldnt need to play so direct?? Why do they always escape criticism when they are garbage? Yes Kitson had a decent start to this season, but you seem to forget that he was a total disgrace last season. Throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity. Not looking remotely interested in games. I agree that Mama may not be good enough but he is as good as anything in our current squad. Kitson and Tuncay might be better footballers but it is clear to see they dont fit into our style of play. Again thats Pulis fault not Mamas. I agree it's Tone's fault. That's who my gripe is with. He shouldn't pick the useless fucking lump. He offers us fuck all.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 12, 2010 12:00:02 GMT
whydelilah
How on earth do you figure that Kitson is a target man?? He never played there at Reading and was utter garbage at it when he first came to Stoke and therefore got dropped. He is a goal poacher who needs the ball into feet. Nothing like a target man in a million years.
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