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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 20:36:29 GMT
Question Time at Wandsworth. Stoke would have been interesting. Wonder why they chose Wandsworth?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
Labour's lurch to the woke wankers has alienated the average Joe, too. Too many rounds of applause on Question Time and other shows for virtue signalling comments went to their heads.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 20:02:08 GMT
Ah, so they are only racist when they don't vote for you. I get it, now.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 19:19:14 GMT
Anyone bothered about these lads? Muslim Council of Britain says there's 'palpable sense of fear amongst Muslim communities' following Tory victory The Muslim Council of Britain has issued a statement saying there is “a palpable sense of fear amongst Muslim communities” after Johnson’s election victory. This is from Harun Khan, the MCB’s secretary general. Mr Johnson commands a majority, but there is a palpable sense of fear amongst Muslim communities around the country. We entered the election campaign period with longstanding concerns about bigotry in our politics and our governing party. Now we worry that Islamophobia is “oven-ready” for government. Mr Johnson has been entrusted with huge power, and we pray it is exercised responsibly for all Britons. We understand that the prime minister insists that he is a one nation Tory. We earnestly hope that is the case and urge him to lead from the centre and engage with all communities. I have no reason to doubt he feels like that but Boris's time as mayor shows the sort of leader he was even as a glorified transport commissioner, I see nothing he has done and said that is a threat to muslims if you want to mention burqa's and letterboxes then why are Thornberry's comments on not wanting a person in a burqa looking after her kids not also mentioned cos I know which is worse. Because she's Labour.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 19:15:00 GMT
pretty interesting that whenever theres a vote in which the working class play a big part in dictating the outcome theres a sudden warning of imminent attacks on muslim communities. The left don't even realise they're unwittingly showing their utter contempt for the working class, is it ever wonder they've started to vote tory ? Lets face it, its the guardian newspaper, they're just as much to blame for Labours demise as Corbyn, they've shaped the minds of lefties to see the working class as racist, foul, junk food eating idiots or "turkeys voting for christmas" . Spare a thought for little Owen, at this sad time.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 18:51:02 GMT
Can't believe that this has come up again. Already mentioned on the Beeb, earlier. One fucking comment. I am more worried about grooming gangs and Potteries born Jihadis, to be honest. It's like Brexit all over again. The negativity has begun. Agreed. What a bunch of moaning, mood hoovering, negative scaremongers. Maybe if those peddling this crap had put a bit more positivity into their campaigns rather than just being negative and spreading doom, perhaps the outcome would have been better. On the general topic of those wishing to do me and my loved ones harm, I feel a lot safer with Boris in charge than what the alternative could have been. You are not alone judging by the interviews on the radio. Corbyn was toxic to voters in the Labour heartlands and cited as the main reason for not voting Labour (along with Brexit).
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 18:23:01 GMT
Can't believe that this has come up again. Already mentioned on the Beeb, earlier. One fucking comment.
I am more worried about grooming gangs and Potteries born Jihadis, to be honest.
It's like Brexit all over again. The negativity has begun.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 17:22:54 GMT
Dicky Burgon getting nasty on the Beeb. Dirty guts twat. You should have heard Polly Toynbee on Radio 4 earlier..... she's been sucking lemons since 10 O'Clock last night. Whereas Burgon looks like he's sucking lemons.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 17:21:31 GMT
'The left' are currently all over Twitter with #NotMyPM, #NotMyGovernment, #LittleEngland & #RejoinEU... How many more defeats is it going to take before it sinks in?! Will they march to overturn this result? Said at the time it was a dangerous precedent. Mard arses.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 17:17:54 GMT
David Lammy, nailed on Confirmed he is in the running, earlier.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 15:02:15 GMT
Funny how the media are rounding on Labour MPs all of a sudden, isn't it? They had it as wrong as anyone.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:59:00 GMT
He was brilliant on the BBC just now. Well, he is a bit smooth for me, but at least he admitted the problems are deeper than just Brexit. The fact that people were questioning the ability to pay for Labour pledges, for a start.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:55:47 GMT
Looks like Ruth Smeeth was playing dirty tricks, reported to the police - Very sad to see St Mary’s CE Primary School having to contact parents about the fake news over their school funding. Labour have already broken electoral law this week over a letter and is currently under police investigation. This is what destroys trust in politics. www.facebook.com/jonathangullis/photos/a.800051863722109/929683570758937/?type=3&theateraccording to @essex it's the Tories that are only liars. Her face when the results were coming in! 😁
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:34:11 GMT
Wes Streeting?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:23:30 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:21:37 GMT
Dicky Burgon getting nasty on the Beeb. Dirty guts twat.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:19:37 GMT
Ignore the sentimental bull shit coming out of her mouth but you can catch one last look at her tits on sky now Tissues on the chair arms in Foster's House.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 14:16:54 GMT
She’s talking as if Adolf Hitler just came to power and not a milquetoast conservative. Don't bring Nazis up, for fuck's sake! Simon Wiesenthal-Himmler will be straight in.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:58:31 GMT
Im certainly not bitter. My family and myself will always be fine "god" willing and we are fortunate enough to not go short.My heart bleeds for the millions who have suffered under this government over recent years whos hopes have been completely blown away.Their faith in society must be rock bottom,that the people who put them their have been voted back in through the selfish excuse of brexit. The election was hijacked "even though brexit caused it" If it was fought on policies alone Labour would have won.The public in my eyes have been conned. Brexit is a policy. A policy that is very important to their core working class electorate One labour enjoyed a huge surge in 2017 by promising to deliver before doing a u-turn in 2019 If you can’t trust them on Brexit what can you trust them on. Exactly. They have been hammered for lying. They shit it when the Liberal Democrats did well in the European elections. They should have taken more notice of the other party that won them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:22:56 GMT
Nandy resigned from the shadow cabinet in 2016. She can get fucked for a start off. Fence sitting fuck! 😁
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:19:39 GMT
Buffoon Burgon bitching on Sky.
What a cock he is.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:17:46 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... Prior to the referendum being called, the issue of Europe was way down the list of the electorate's priorities, most people weren't really arsed about Europe either way. However the campaigns on both sides changed that completely and people felt that they HAD to have an opinion on it. I genuinely believe that if Corbyn had gone out into the Labour heartlands and full on campaigned for Remain, making the argument that Brexit would be bad for those constituencies, then there is every chance that Remain would have won but he just couldn't bring himself to do it. His failure to do so, lead to his ridiculous current Brexit policy, with him attempting to ride two horses at the same time, which ultimately has failed spectacularly. It was all entirely of his own making. I wonder how many people Corbyn lost when he went "neutral" on Brexit? Leaders lead, or are supposed to.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:15:18 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... It's hardly surprising that they've pandered to remainers in the metropolitan boroughs (and as a result the Londoncentric media) when you consider that many of their high-profile shadow cabinet members are MP's in the capital. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Starmer, Gardiner, Thornberry and Butler are all MP's in London constituencies. As a traditional Labour voter myself, there aren't many of that lot that whet the appetite. The worst Labour front bench in living memory.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
I still think Lisa Nandy would be a decent shout. Felt sorry for Caroline Flint last night, she was OK, too. I like Lisa Nandy a lot, she appears to be one of those rare breed of politicians that are both honest and sincere. But is she just too 'nice' to be the leader of the opposition? For example, I just can't imagine her being able to match Johnson at PMQ. Think she is quite capable of standing up for herself. I saw her fight her corner on YouTube with a combative interviewer. I missed the joys of Richard Burgon earlier, apparently he was his usual dim self?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:53:37 GMT
No, Rip, I meant those on the left that have painted him as some far right extremist. I agree on the bluster, I have mentioned it on here. Is that the sound of the democratic hard left back peddling I hear. In fairness, I wasn't referring to Rip. Some others, though....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:39:19 GMT
I still think Lisa Nandy would be a decent shout. Felt sorry for Caroline Flint last night, she was OK, too.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:36:29 GMT
Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though. The first time I ever went to Scotland was as a kid with my parents to watch Michael Foot at a rally, I was brought up in a very active Labour party household and have voted Labour all my life (until yesterday). Alan Johnson absolutely nails it: First bloke I voted for was Footy. Despite his image in his later years, he was a great speaker with an intellect that dwarfs many of the current lot.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:21:14 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:15:33 GMT
I still don't understand how Sturgeon can demand Scottish independence while denying us ours.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 11:55:54 GMT
That's it, the longer it dragged out as it had the less Labour could do. I think the only options were do what they did, which we k ow the result of. Support Boris deal which we all largely know is a bad deal so never an option. Support no deal, which nobody wants or I suppose finally set their stall out on a Norway style deal of leave and sell it hard. I don't think that would have worked. I think they were on to a loser with Brexit regardless which probably explains why they appeared so unsure, because it's hard when all choices are bad ones... They had to make the election about a manifesto but they failed. It didn't resonate as Brexit was so entrenched. If so, maybe their biggest Brexit fault was their first in picking the wrong side. That was the membership though which decided that, not the leader, that was the left... Exactly. If they'd had the guts and gumption to promote a positive, left leaning vision of brexit 4 years ago they'd quite likely be in power already. You cannot take the piss out of the electorate. As a voter in Bolsover has just said on Sky. He said the key moment was when Skinner voted to take No Deal off the table, and also Labour's stance on Brexit in general.
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