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Post by skemstokie on Sept 17, 2019 14:30:49 GMT
It is also true Dave that UK law has to conform/ implement all EU directives and regulations or we infringe TFEU 260/ 262. EU law is supreme, that's what we have signed up to. And most importantly as is crystal clear, the project, the move to ever closer union is not complete. As you know only this week we have had Verhofstadt, a foreign politician, speaking at a party conference arguing for a European ( EU) empire.....he has been clear previously on the aim for centralised tax and spend, the increased surrender of national sovereignty to the EU and no opt outs. As the euro is central to the project I have no doubt that in the future it will become impossible to be a fully functioning member of the EU and not to adopt the Euro. I wonder if Swinson would join the Euro now/ next five years/ a party goal? Funny thing is that you keep making the claim that an EU Empire is a bad thing. An EU empire is exactly what we need with the likes of the US, China, India, Russia and other countries grappling for power and shitting on their neighbours. End of the day, the UK will always be the UK whether we sign up to common things or not. This fear of 'ever closer union' is irrational. It's either 'ever closer union' and membership of the EU - and a voice - OR 'Ever closer domination' by the US with little to no influence on the world stage. Why are you scared of the Euro? Reading your post got me thinking remind what does the Stoke City translate as?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 16, 2019 15:15:08 GMT
What glimpses of something do you see if you don't mind me asking? All I see is a team struggling painfully to score, and who's conceded two or more goals in 11 of our last 13 games. A goal difference of minus ten after seven games in this league is little short of a disgrace. Certainly don't mind you asking, and it is only "glimpses". I think it's the intention to play adventurous attacking football. I'm not saying it's working with any consistency obviously, but I genuinely believe that is what he wants to do. There were those two games, Charlton and Derby where they created a lot of chances. I still don't think we've seen our best team yet either. Certainly agree with your second statement. The stats are terrible. But would you not agree that part of Chris Hughton's appeal is that you know exactly what you are going to get? Organisation, a rigid defensive set-up and the hope that we get a goal then have what we hold. Personally, for me (and I know not you) that's worse than Tony Pulis. At least with a TP side there is some fire in the belly. I wouldn't be advocating either of those two right now. We've made this decision to have a radical change and take a chance. I would say let's absolutely exhaust all possibility of it succeeding before we ditch it. If you string a few results together in this league you can climb the table quickly. I'm not sure it's time to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. I agree with you but i fail to understand why Campbell gets so little time he has the pace we lack i am aware he may not have the stamina for 90 minutes but he never will have with short cameos.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 16, 2019 15:06:18 GMT
Just had a look at the Mirror. It's quite a big, full page piece by John Cross and John Wragg. ----- HUGHTON'S READY TO STOKE CLAIMDesperate Potters Preparing to Sack Jones
Nathan Jones admits he's running out of time - and Chris Hughton will be targeted if they make a change. Jones has pleaded for more time - but Hughton is at the top of Stoke's wish list to take over. It'll be a fight for survival this season for Stoke - but they still have Premier League players - and wages - and they are desperate to go back up in the long-term. Hughton wants to get back into management with the right job, having turned down Sheff Weds - and Stoke are keeping close tabs. so we are desperate to go back 'in the long term', a few weeks ago it was the 'short term'!!!.....things change quickly in football I think it is more a commonsense reality check with them knowing some of the attitudes by posters on here. I saw few complaining about them bringing in a bright young manager not to long ago.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 21:29:41 GMT
Are you being ironic though If supporters do boo and Stoke win would that be ironic?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 19:07:48 GMT
We need to start booing before kick off and keep it going through half time to the final whistle. To give the lads a boost. I love ironic humour.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 18:47:28 GMT
It is capable of causing as much damage. No Deal Brexit or Brexit full stop? Both.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 16:18:06 GMT
Yes, as people deserve to know that there is a 10% or whatever chance of it happening. If there's a meteor hurtling past the earth and it has a 10% of hitting SoT then I'm sure you'd like to be made aware of it. When there's a hurricane hurtling down the Florida coast line and there's a 10% chance that it may make landfall, I'm pretty sure the people are notified well in advance and are grateful for it. I doubt that the meteorology department staff are sitting there thinking "hmm, well, it only has a 10% chance of destroying peoples homes so let's not bother telling them. If it happens, we'll just say that we didn't want to worry them". I'm finding your thought process on this quite astounding to be honest. The people have a right to know and you're basically saying they're not intelligent enough to act appropriately with the information they are given. A Hurricane isn’t a very good analogy, brexit doesn’t have the potential to tear the roof off your house for instance. It is capable of causing as much damage.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 15:13:51 GMT
If 52% of the voters voted that we all walk of a cliff, would you do it? No fucking chance. If, as some leavers on here are saying, ALL sorts of politicians and experts are pushing back as much as they can on Brexit, using whatever tactics they can, then it would make sense that there's a damn good reason for it.... and it's not that they are going out of their way to be undemocratic. It's putting the welfare of the country and the majority of people in it above all else.. which is how it should be. Still waiting for someone to explain why yellowhammer isn't being shared? Surely that would clear up a lot of questions and conspiracy theories. Not revealing it is perhaps more revealing than if they published,it must be damning report.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 10:31:32 GMT
Because it was a petition by Scottish politicians. And Scotland is still part of the U.K?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 11, 2019 10:17:50 GMT
I see prorogation has been deemed unlawful by Scottish judges.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 9, 2019 8:08:09 GMT
People who are Pro-EU ARE Pro-Britain. It's not a case of one or the other. It's a stupid leave argument that makes no sense. No, Remainers are more pro Britain, because they have the Nations best interests at heart. The others are a bunch of paranoid gammon heads. Hit the nail on the head there .
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 8, 2019 17:26:52 GMT
As is being demonstrated by Boris. Saying and doing are different matters. Let's see what happens. I'm not putting my neck on the line as no one can predict the outcome as of yet. However, in any scenario the UK will be hit harder than the EU. Deal or no deal. That doesn’t have to be the case though, is Canada worse off after agreeing a trade deal ? Is the EU Canada`s largest and nearest trading partner ?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 8, 2019 14:38:13 GMT
The west needs in my opinion needs to cut the excesses i know people who waste as much food as a family in India survives on (with no waste). How often on television do you see chefs trim off the slightly less than perfect parts of fish meat poultry and bin it. I have been in Africa and watched as children followed a man carrying a sack of rice picking up any grains that fall how can that be right? I don`t think a "free for all everyone welcome"is the policy but we should be supplying them with the means to feed and shelter themselves not guns .We as a nation (along with others) built a lot of the wealth we now enjoy on exploiting these countries so a bit of payback is due,making where the refugees flee from a better place to live is the way to relieve the refugee crisis. I don't think bringing in too many people for our existing housing and services is the best way of assuaging our guilt, Skem. Lowering our quality of life is not the way forward. I don`t think i proposed a free for all policy, what i proposed was making whatever country the refugees are fleeing from a more attractive and safer place to live but leaving the door open for genuine refugees i.e. political or ethnic refugees (would you like to be a ethnic or political minority in a civil war zone)not economic refugees i feel that problem is better treated at source
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 8, 2019 12:51:12 GMT
Nobody gets to pick where they are born so being born in a disadvantaged area or country should not be a person lot for the duration of their life. Britain has spread itself and culture worldwide and that to me should be a two way street,as you say the "British race" is in reality a mongrel breed, That's sadly very true , but the sheer numbers of people living in real poverty worldwide is overwhelming, it has to be controlled. The west needs to do more to stop the exploitation of these countries The west needs in my opinion needs to cut the excesses i know people who waste as much food as a family in India survives on (with no waste). How often on television do you see chefs trim off the slightly less than perfect parts of fish meat poultry and bin it. I have been in Africa and watched as children followed a man carrying a sack of rice picking up any grains that fall how can that be right? I don`t think a "free for all everyone welcome"is the policy but we should be supplying them with the means to feed and shelter themselves not guns .We as a nation (along with others) built a lot of the wealth we now enjoy on exploiting these countries so a bit of payback is due,making where the refugees flee from a better place to live is the way to relieve the refugee crisis.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 8, 2019 12:03:33 GMT
It happened a damn sight quicker after Labour fucked up their calculations on how many Eastern European people were going to come into Britain. So much so, that Jack Straw has apologised for it. As Douglas Murray says, it's not immigration that most people are against, it's the sheer numbers in such a short period of time, that they are troubled by. With all the improvements in transportation, lack of wars and probably other factors outside being in the EU then it will happen anyway. It's just evolution to me, my wife is british but i wouldn't have had any problems if she was eastern European or from anywhere over the world, she could have been an eskimo for all i care. I can understand people's concerns with immigration and the strain on services but that wasn't really what i was talking about. Having cities rammed with people actually speeds up evolution, creativity and helps countries to become more advanced so immigration is good if you are ready and have the services in place to deal with it. What is it that makes someone British? Is it something as simple as paying Tax into the system? Lets face it, if we could go back far enough none of our ancestors would likely have been born here, you would be lucky if they were. Nobody gets to pick where they are born so being born in a disadvantaged area or country should not be a person lot for the duration of their life. Britain has spread itself and culture worldwide and that to me should be a two way street,as you say the "British race" is in reality a mongrel breed,
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 8, 2019 11:50:05 GMT
My beef with pundits(ex pros) is why do they always have to say he felt a hand on him so was entitled to go down that just gives out the wrong message to any youngsters watching it is cheating. They say it because that's what they believe. Sadly, it's become an endemic part of the professional game. It is still a contact sport
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 7, 2019 18:19:05 GMT
Am I alone in thinking rashford is pretty crap? Clive Tyldesley wouldn't agree. Can that bloke ever get through any game without mentioning Man Utd. Bigger twat than Eammon Holmes!!. My beef with pundits(ex pros) is why do they always have to say he felt a hand on him so was entitled to go down that just gives out the wrong message to any youngsters watching it is cheating.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 7, 2019 12:59:03 GMT
The reason they wont call an election is because theyve been found out, and they know it. The Lib Dems are now too strong for Labour to gain a majority and the split is probably still pretty much the same between left and right. The difference might come to having the majority of pro leave MP's if the cons won. The Lib Dems could actually cause more damage to their campaign to remain if they don't team up with Labour. Coalition government is the way forward it works in most countries. Or push through a no confidence vote and then you have 14 days to form a government from the medley of parties currently working together that way you do not need a election if i read things right?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 7, 2019 12:25:56 GMT
i remember there was some kind of voting slips handed out, new ground or do up the vic, new ground won comfortably. Never in this wild world did that hapoen I filled one in?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 7, 2019 11:42:08 GMT
We joined circa 1973 and had a confirmatory vote a couple of years later which leave voters have now overturned, i was 25 then and believe me since then the lot of working people has improved in many ways. I am too old now to move abroad but want my grand-kids to have the choice. It hasnt been overturned. That referendum was for an economic partnership. This one was about an economic but political partnership. The EU as it is now didn't actually exist until the 1990's. I agree it has changed it has evolved with the U.K. a major player in the change. It has changed a lot of things when did you last see a river devoid of all life through pollution? when did you last see warning flags of pollution on beaches,when did you last see plumes of black smoke over Stoke,how many public buildings do not have disabled access now, i could go on but i think i would be wasting my time.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 7, 2019 10:24:02 GMT
Did the leavers not campaign to overturn the vote to join? No idea mate I'm not that old, I didn't. We joined circa 1973 and had a confirmatory vote a couple of years later which leave voters have now overturned, i was 25 then and believe me since then the lot of working people has improved in many ways. I am too old now to move abroad but want my grand-kids to have the choice.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 21:38:17 GMT
Until the UK is out of the EU then all things are possible. So people who voted remain are expected to keep their job shut until the deed is done? No mate not at all but IF the shoe was on the other foot and leavers were constantly trying to overturn your win how would you feel? Did the leavers not campaign to overturn the vote to join?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 21:35:48 GMT
YES. Love the freedom to go where i want with no borders and the thought my grandkids have a choice of 28 countries to live and work in. We're not part of the Schengen area, even as an EU member. We may not be part of Schengen neither is the Rep. of Ireland but i have always had unfettered border crossings so what is your point?
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 20:32:18 GMT
Insult after insult after insult. Remaintards? And some of you on here who apparently seem open to debate actually liked this post. No further comment needed. I actually think that much of remoanerism is driven by anti tory sentiment than Eu cultism, I mean come on, people don’t actually like the EU, do they ? most remoaners I know aren’t even pro eu, it’s all purely anti toryism, I suspect that’s the case for many remainers on here. YES. Love the freedom to go where i want with no borders and the thought my grandkids have a choice of 28 countries to live and work in.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 11:18:47 GMT
I am 100% remain but the "bag of dicks" with close ties and a working arrangement for N.Ireland is as good as we can get apart from what we have now You must have missed my link a couple of days ago with the technology and process for a seamless border between NI and the Republic then. May's deal was BINO only, a sham, that's why we are in this mess Bino is my choice or the current full membership deal.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 11:16:24 GMT
Labour could be in a similar situation with the Liberal Democrats. Thing is Im not naive not to think that Labour would make huge gains etc. I'm not naive to think Labour won't lose some remain votes to Lib Dem and leave to Tory or BP. The big difference for me is that the Lib Dem seemingly exist to campaign to the 48% and get remain at all costs. The Tories are seemingly campaigning to the 52% leave at all costs (whilst trying to stop the remainers dribbling out with their arse gravy). Labour aren't. Labour are campaigning to the 99% of people and trying to keep politics about politics instead of just Brexit. They've got their division internally about Brexit but compared to the Tories they're made of cast iron. The difference I believe with the Lib Dems and Labour is that they can find common ground in not cancelling Brexit but by giving a referendum afterwards with the option to leave. That's also the only way I could see the Lib Dems agree to a coalition with Labour but even with that in mind that the Lib Dems are probably going to do better in another election the SNP will probably still have more seats so they will be the first stop for Corbyn. There's also talk of Sinn Fein now in advanced talks over working with parties purely to ensure a no deal Brexit goes away which can hugely change the dynamics of the House. I know i will get flack but many people including me will find it hard to vote Labour with Corbyn at the helm, i tend to vote labour but i am also open to Lib/Dems and they have had my vote since momentum brought Corbyn in.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 11:07:43 GMT
I am 100% remain but the "bag of dicks" with close ties and a working arrangement for N.Ireland is as good as we can get apart from what we have now Well, I noticed that BOD lost by less and less votes each time. I can see it being tweaked (despite what the EU say) and getting through. Brexit purists won't like it, and I can see why from a point of principle, but if there remains a distancing between The Brexit Party and the Tories because of it, I don't think the Tories will get a majority in the Commons. I think our best course of action in these strange times is to be a part of the worlds largest trading block and as far away from Trump as possible, if a workable BOD is possible that is next. We need to be reducing food/consumer goods carbon footprints not increasing them
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 10:49:28 GMT
Herin lies the ultimate problem. Expectations of leavers versus reality. I think the closest they can get is May's deal even if that is a bag of dicks™ It also depends on enough Remainers accepting said bag of dicks! 😁 I am 100% remain but the "bag of dicks" with close ties and a working arrangement for N.Ireland is as good as we can get apart from what we have now
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 6, 2019 10:40:50 GMT
I thought she did well. Quite funny how the positioning for the vast majority of the show was that Labour don't want an election even though it is a joined up position by the Lib Dems and SNP. But you expect point scoring like that. Rational thinking by Emily Can she go and negotiate a deal - Yes, and I don't doubt she'd try her best. Does she have to believe that is better than what we currently have in the even of another referendum? No because if rationally you have to separate what is actually better for the country it's better to remain so she has full right to vote against it if she believes that. That shows incredible maturity and precisely proves that the leavers are the ones who are tribal and the overriding problem. It's attitudes like yours which see us being where we are. As a reminder. There is NO better deal than we have. If there is NOBODY has proposed it. If you still believe it you are still a victims of the lies of the Leavers pre Ref. Therein lies the issue. In simple terms. You have a deal now with the EU that is 100%. You will not get a better deal with the EU. You have a deal with the Rest of the World that is 40%. You are not allowed to improve that deal as long as you are part of the EU. If you leave the EU you eventually, after a few years, get a deal that is 80% of what it was. Meanwhile, you now have deals with the Rest of the World that are worth 60%. Assuming EU & RoW volumes are the same. After a few years you are no worse off. In years after, the RoW economy increases and you continue to keep your 60% or even grow it. The EU economy shrinks (or does not grow as fast as the RoW). So,in 5yrs time you are in a better position economically and you also have greater control over your own destiny because you no longer have the EU leading you by the nose. People are focusing too narrowly on the trade deal with the EU. In the medium term it is not so important. In the short term it is very important to many people in the UK because they may suffer the short term down side in terms of higher costs or loss of jobs. All of the above assumes we can negotiate an increased share of RoW trade. I have every faith that if we were to leave on WTO terms we would be able to adapt. I understand people's concerns re. leaving the EU but I am disappointed by the defeatist talk from many who wish to stay within the EU. It strikes me that they have no confidence in the UK's ability to steer it's own course and are too scared to let go of the EU's guiding hand. I understand that. If that is the mindset of the majority within the UK then perhaps we would be better off staying under the protective umbrella of the EU....at least no one will get hurt. In these times of global warming we and the rest of the world should be concentrating on making increasing trading with our nearest neighbours not with far distant markets reducing our carbon footprint not increasing.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 5, 2019 10:47:41 GMT
The WA is a weird one isn't it. I said at the time that it ticked most boxes leavers wanted, there was just a huge hole in it that effectively opened us up to huge risk. France suggested they'd be coming for our fishing waters, threats of Spain coming for the rock of G and maybe even (this is me, not something I've seen or maybe missed) Ireland demanding an indy ref too. Taking back control could then leave us at the knees of the EU... I too don't have the solution. I don't think anyone does. Maybe a soft Brexit is possibly the most acceptable route by all parties because expectations are too high after Leave promised so much. The remain argument was weak but Leave played to peoples fears and dreams too. We're now at the point where we are looking increasingly more likely to either have to cut our nose off to spite our face or scrap it. Either way there is nothing that will heal the split in the country. Maybe the only way is another ref and I say that with a heavy heart... I don't think it solves anything, M? Even if it was a pretty sizeable victory for one side(which I doubt, but you never know), does it make the case any more valid? Also, I think it sends out a bad message ; we will listen to you... sometimes. It's a right fuck up, isn't it? If it is too tight to call either way just stick with what you have,only fools rush in.
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