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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 13, 2024 9:03:04 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me. The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense. I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured. I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself. Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters. When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil).
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 13, 2024 8:35:35 GMT
Today is a day for strong hearts, strong minds and comradeship where you will die for your team mate on the pitch. What could possibly go wrong 😔 Today is a day for Tony Pulis
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 13, 2024 8:22:31 GMT
Is anyone else still in complete denial about our predicament? I mean, surely we are not really going to go down! How have we sunk this low?
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 17:18:00 GMT
But she may not have done anything wrong. Nadeem Zahawi and his father were found to do nothing "deliberatley" wrong despite descending from his grandfather who used to be the governor of the central Bank of Iraq. I'm pretty sure they knew exactly what they were doing. No doubt an investigation will find she also didn't do anything "deliberately" wrong. The thing is I've had family sell a council house and pay capital gains on the profit and as part of the process there are a number of things you have to fill in with your solicitor in relation to whether it was your primary residency and such. Any solicitor worth their weight would have made it clear what it means for it to be your primary residency. If Angela still said it was hers primary residency, when it wasn't despite solicitors advise, then that's on her. Of course though it could have been her primary residency but if it was then why the silence? Why not speak out and make that clear and refute the smears. So I wouldn't be surprised if she did wrong. But just like with Zahawi I'm prepared that any investigation will no doubt find it wasn't deliberate. Working in an area of law where your residency is vital, I can tell you it is one of the most complex areas, with huge amounts of case law. This frequently occurs following the breakdown of relationships and working out the jurisdiction of the habitual residence of a child for example. If similar applies in her circumstances, it will be complicated and a grey area, certainly not black or white. Let’s see if anything comes of it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 12:53:41 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I don't mind her tbh. Something quite attractive about the potty mouth and sassiness. With that said she should own her mistakes and put an end to this council house stuff. If she hasn't paid the tax she should have then hold your hands up and rectify it rather than brushing it under the carpet. You can't call others out on their tax affairs and then go into hiding when your own come up. Best way to silence critics is to own up to your mistakes. Doing nothing and shirking responsibility isn't a good luck and Labour will eventually use it against her too nevermind tories. But she may not have done anything wrong.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 12:52:24 GMT
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? Should she resign ? If she is found guilty of committing a criminal offence then yes. If she has not paid enough tax, no, she should apologise, pay what she owes together with penalties and interest and costs etc and move on. Should Hunt resign for his tax affairs? Amazing how Knype and Philteen’s comments on an article about as grave a miscarriage of justice as any of the individual sub post masters found criminally liable by Royal Mail is to bring it back to Angela Rayner’s alleged £2k she owes in tax.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes? i was shocked that a deaf heroin addict had the funds to buy the drug. i suppose there could be more to the story if you dig deeper into it without the slant solely being on 30p error.
So your takeaway from it was shock at a heroin addict who is deaf being able to afford drugs. You are utterly heartless.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 10:42:53 GMT
Let's be honest, Rayner is a nasty piece of work and incredibly thick - I think we can all agree on that. I disagree about her being incredibly thick. She has risen to the top despite having none of the silver spoons in her mouth of most MPs. I don’t think someone incredibly thick can do that else wouldn’t they all? Whether or not she is a nasty piece of work is a matter of opinion.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 9:32:26 GMT
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwpWhat has our society come to? The government forces a carer, who saves the tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds by being an unpaid carer, to sell his home for a mistake on a form worth 30p a week. That carer becomes suicidal after being dragged through the courts and is now homeless after being forced to sell his home, so now costs the tax payer £1300 a month in benefits to house him etc as his life has been utterly ruined. Had he been dodging tax using a tax haven he would have been ignored. I have seen on other threads people who typically support the right wing parties and come out in defence of the tories complain about two tier policing of Muslims compared with football fans. What about two tiered treatment of tax dodgers v benefit claimants? One is almost lauded for being clever, the other hounded until they lose everything and try and kill themselves. One is rich, one poor. Anyone dubious of what I am saying should read the above article before responding. It is awful how the tories treat the vulnerable people in this country. In fact I would go as far as to say it is the single worst thing about them as a party. They really are the nasty party. Perhaps Labour will be the same. They certainly protected the vulnerable under Blair - Sure Start as a good example, and look at NHS waiting times compared with under the tories! Angela certainly is by everybody in the labour party except SIR kier ?
HMRC will slap her with the appropriate fine and penalty for any tax she should have paid and did not, and rightly so. Will they go after non-doms like Lord Ashcroft who has secured hundreds of millions of pounds of government contracts (such as with the NHS) and funnels the profits offshore so he need not pay any tax for the massive profits he makes back to the treasury. The priorities are all wrong as he has dodged hundreds of millions of pounds. Far worse than anything Rayner has allegedly done. What are your views on my post you quoted? About the tax payer footing the bill for housing benefit of a former carer who accidentally claimed an extra 30p a week in benefits and was forced to sell his home to repay all benefits paid, became homeless and suicidal as a result, has a criminal record and is now costing us thousands a month? Is that fine in your eyes?
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 12, 2024 6:20:19 GMT
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/12/carers-allowance-benefit-error-30p-a-week-dwpWhat has our society come to? The government forces a carer, who saves the tax payers hundreds of thousands of pounds by being an unpaid carer, to sell his home for a mistake on a form worth 30p a week. That carer becomes suicidal after being dragged through the courts and is now homeless after being forced to sell his home, so now costs the tax payer £1300 a month in benefits to house him etc as his life has been utterly ruined. Had he been dodging tax using a tax haven he would have been ignored. I have seen on other threads people who typically support the right wing parties and come out in defence of the tories complain about two tier policing of Muslims compared with football fans. What about two tiered treatment of tax dodgers v benefit claimants? One is almost lauded for being clever, the other hounded until they lose everything and try and kill themselves. One is rich, one poor. Anyone dubious of what I am saying should read the above article before responding. It is awful how the tories treat the vulnerable people in this country. In fact I would go as far as to say it is the single worst thing about them as a party. They really are the nasty party. Perhaps Labour will be the same. They certainly protected the vulnerable under Blair - Sure Start as a good example, and look at NHS waiting times compared with under the tories!
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 11, 2024 11:41:16 GMT
Because we don’t tax big companies or rich individuals enough. There is plenty of money to solve (at least partially) most of society’s problems, but it is increasingly held by a tiny percentage of individuals. Until we redistribute wealth properly, it will continue to get worse. Rishi Sunak paid a lower average rate of tax than I did in the last 2 tax years. He and his family is many millions (perhaps billions) times richer than me and my family. I have no problem with mega incomes and mega businesses profits so long as they are paying proportionately suitable tax rates so that state schools can be funded to at least be able to afford hot water and the NHS works efficiently and we can nationalise all utilities and have more police officers and more housing and some social care provision. Make the rich pay. They won’t notice other than they will get richer at a slightly slower pace. Labour have said some very good things recently about closing loopholes used by the rich. The proof will be in the pudding though. The sovereign wealth fund of Norway sits at $1.6 trillion or $250k per person because they kept control of their oil. Let’s invade Norway!
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 11, 2024 10:27:21 GMT
When will it stop? Tesco pre tax profits went from 800 million to over 2 billion. Similar profits been reported by BT, BP, British Gas, HSBC, British Gas and others. Can someone explain why we are in a cost of living crisis with energy, utilities and food at record prices. Yet the companies who have raised all these prices are trebling their profits? Feels more like corporate greed to me. But anyway enough of that chat about the ludicrously wealthy and the big corporations. I'm obviously wrong with my presumptions and I'm sure Jeremt Hunt or Rachel Reeves will be able to correct me and tell me to simply ignore those record profits and get strapped in for austerity so that we can speed up inequality and normalise people being poorer ☺️ Anyone voting labour to "get the tories out" is voting for this type of behaviour too. Personally I'd rather inequality tackled but some seem to find red austerity comforting because it's a nice change of colour from blue austerity. Once we have more austerity though you can't complain because giving labour a vote is you accepting and voting for this. Because we don’t tax big companies or rich individuals enough. There is plenty of money to solve (at least partially) most of society’s problems, but it is increasingly held by a tiny percentage of individuals. Until we redistribute wealth properly, it will continue to get worse. Rishi Sunak paid a lower average rate of tax than I did in the last 2 tax years. He and his family is many millions (perhaps billions) times richer than me and my family. I have no problem with mega incomes and mega businesses profits so long as they are paying proportionately suitable tax rates so that state schools can be funded to at least be able to afford hot water and the NHS works efficiently and we can nationalise all utilities and have more police officers and more housing and some social care provision. Make the rich pay. They won’t notice other than they will get richer at a slightly slower pace. Labour have said some very good things recently about closing loopholes used by the rich. The proof will be in the pudding though.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 7, 2024 10:40:25 GMT
You nor anyone else has any information to support that view. She's a target for the Mail because she is an ordinary woman brought up on a council estate. She isn't in the political class and the campaign against her should be a shame on everyone that believes in equality of gender and class. If she was an Etonian born into wealth or a homosexual security risk we would be ushered to move along. It's a pathetic stunt politically motivated to smear her. Show the proof she lied or shut up. . The priorities seem wrong to me.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 6, 2024 13:45:42 GMT
Up by a third, despite payouts decreasing. Obviously other factors affect price, but seemingly rates have increased somewhere between 2-5% in countries such as Spain and France. Makes you wonder how they can justify such an increase. I'm not sure "car parts are more expensive now" cuts it. An absolute scam. Greed by the rich and they know they will get away with it because we have a government who prioritises the super wealthy over everyone else. Premiums up a third here, but up just 6% in Italy, 5% in Spain and 2% in France. Hopefully one of the foreign companies realises they can make an absolute fortune here by under cutting the UK opposition. Hopefully Brexit doesn’t make that impossible for them.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 6, 2024 8:14:49 GMT
I’ll be voting Lib Dem as I live in a lib dem area and the tories are second place here. First past the post means we vote against who we don’t want (the tories in my case) more than for who we actually want to win because voting for who we want to win is often a wasted vote in our system.
If you want to vote for who you want to win, wait until manifestos before deciding.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 2, 2024 12:43:50 GMT
Another week and another week of Nige staying tight lipped over whether he will make a stunning return to front line politics with Reform. If he does then this election goes from being one of the dullest, most boring elections in British history to one of the most exciting and dare I say it, "enticing". Love him or loathe him, just imagine TV debates with Farage up against the notoriously bland, deceitful and uninspiring Starmer and Sunak. He'd absolutely rip them apart and I don't think anyone could possibly deny that. A former chief prosecutor against Farage in a debate! I know who would be torn apart in if it were judged only on substance. But populism, deflection and distraction turns debates into politics. Farage is utterly useless on substance because his politics and policies lack any substance or truth. He is brilliant at the politics side of things though. If you want to hear great debates not debased by politics, follow a live streamed Supreme Court hearing. Politics does not have great debates.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 15:28:07 GMT
Pretty well. I would say over 99% of the population don’t commit knife crime.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 14:40:29 GMT
There are a huge number of deterrents to stop someone carrying a knife. I would guess that Stop and search does hardly features as one. So I disagree that “the only deterrent is Stop and Search“. Name one that stops someone taking a knife out there and then or identifies someone with a knife before they use it? A conscience.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 14:01:18 GMT
That tweet doesn’t show one article U turns on what was said in the other.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 13:06:52 GMT
Of course what is needed too is to look at society and what drives the people who carry knives to doing so. Making a better society that is more fair obviously won’t solve it all but it definitely would help. That they see their only route to having nice things is to commit crime is just terrible. Making society more just and fair for everyone can certainly help to break that chain for a number of people. You’ve only got to look at the cuts to social care, social clubs, council funded projects in general, schools and just about fucking everything to see why what is happening is happening to the extent it is. You clearly need a way of finding them ie scanners or whatever but until you solve the root cause of the issue you will never truly solve it. And the root cause is social inequality. Agreed. But until the root cause is identified and the offending is reduced to next to nothing the only deterrent is Stop and Search and if targeted and used correctly. There are a huge number of deterrents to stop someone carrying a knife. I would guess that Stop and search does hardly features as one. So I disagree that “the only deterrent is Stop and Search“.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:51:08 GMT
Much cheaper than hiring hundreds of thousands of people Why would you need hundreds of thousands, no one is saying that everyone can be stopped and searched, that's just stupid but if people think there is a chance it will be them, surely it's a deterrent? You were saying daily stop and search to stop people carrying knives. That is obviously practically impossible and disproportionately expensive to implement. So we go back to what we have now. And the data doesn’t support your point of view that stop and search reduces crime significantly.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:31:34 GMT
Exactly, this is why we must use police resources effectively and not waste them on tactics that have been proven to provide very negligible results. Hence the links to Glasgow and my suggestion of potentially using pop-up scanners on the previous page. Where is the money coming from for pop up scanners ? Where's the money for training coming from to use the pop up scanners? Much cheaper than hiring hundreds of thousands of people
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:30:41 GMT
So where would you get the extra billions needed to fund the training for hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of police officers to stop and search everyone in the country daily? How would you afford all the extra officers’ wages and pensions? How would you fund the administration of all that and the thousands of people needed to do it all? Training? What training would be required to stop and search? What powers are needed to stop and search? Only police officers have those powers. So you need to add hundreds of thousands of police officers to stop and search everyone daily. Where are you getting the money from? How are you implementing your policy?
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:21:49 GMT
The facts don’t support this analysis though. Show us the studies that back up your point of view and that show how the studies posted by Paul Spencer and others are wrong. Stop and search makes very little difference to crime levels. I agree if we were searched every time we left the house that would reduce the chances of people carrying a knife. But I don’t want to live in that society. I want to live in a safe society. If that involves getting stopped daily to stop people carrying blades so be it. It's better that society than a lawless one full of knife crime? So where would you get the extra billions needed to fund the training for hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of police officers to stop and search everyone in the country daily? How would you afford all the extra officers’ wages and pensions? How would you fund the administration of all that and the thousands of people needed to do it all?
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:17:19 GMT
Making shit up? There are numerous posters against stop and search and adding links to back their views. Stop and search is great if you're a law abiding citizen It’s always easier to defend something that’s not in place as people can have an idealistic view on things. Reatility of course is very different. Have no stop and search and people will have no fear re taking knives out onto the streets. That simply can’t be a good thing. As I’ve said previously you can’t measure the difference that fear of s and s plays but the 29 to 8 knife killings figure appear to suggest it does when it’s targeted. Ultimately you have to weigh up what’s more important - A 5 min inconvenience - Saving a life Of course as Prestwich said it does need supporting with other work and agencies. I wonder how you would feel about it if the police targeted you and your family and were stopping and searching you regularly. Same goes for Knype.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 11:15:44 GMT
You carry on making shit up and getting offended by it fella...... Making shit up? There are numerous posters against stop and search and adding links to back their views. Stop and search is great if you're a law abiding citizen The facts don’t support this analysis though. Show us the studies that back up your point of view and that show how the studies posted by Paul Spencer and others are wrong. Stop and search makes very little difference to crime levels. I agree if we were searched every time we left the house that would reduce the chances of people carrying a knife. But I don’t want to live in that society.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 8:09:34 GMT
France is somewhat cheaper than ours because it is subsidised by the government but they buy it in at the same as everyone else. They make alot of their own energy too though. I swear EDF is owned by the French government and is the very company I believe we may be paying quite a sum to, to create and manage nuclear plants. May be wrong but think I read something like this before. Just checked and they are wholly owned by the French government and we are paying them over 30 billion to make a nuclear plant in the uk which I'm sure they'll get profits from. That's why the French can afford to subsidise. Do we even have any publicly owned which other countries pay our state for the services of? Arriva who manage a number of our railways are also German government owned. Another company making huge profits of us and then subsidising rail in Germany. Some of our water is also owned by companoes owned by Singapore, Kuwait, Abu Duhabi and Chinese governments as well as Canadian and Australian pension schemes. I wish our politicians would talk more about our services being owned by foreign governments and taking back control of that when it comes to sovereignty. Absolutely. We didn’t privatise. Governments still own our utilities and train companies. We just decided that the UK government is prohibited from doing so.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 31, 2024 8:01:36 GMT
You've gotta love the old "forget statistics and extensive research from experts I'll stick with my anecdotal evidence" approach You've gotta love the determination of the left to defend the knife carrying scum over the innocent people at risk Certainly nobody on this thread can be accused of that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 30, 2024 11:34:08 GMT
Not one direct quote but a number of meetings referenced where named people attended but aren't quoted. A very strange Article. Haven't seen the particular literature but I'm sure there would be some disquiet if its appearance resembled some of the stuff put out by the Far Right. I hate the way the union jack has to some extent been appropriated by the far right. The far right ironically hate this country more than most I would say.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 30, 2024 11:30:37 GMT
Would it? If they go bust, then they can be taken back into public ownership for next to nothing and the cost to the tax payer will be the £4 billion required to put things right. If the company is fully functioning, having addressed all the issues, then there's no way the sale price will be anything near that figure. If we aggressively force them into selling, then there's a decent chance of spooking the markets, as the integrity of the British Government will then be called into question. This is the second time I've found myself agreeing with JRM in recent weeks. What is wrong with the world. Always thought you were two peas in a pod, Gawa!
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