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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 13, 2021 23:42:57 GMT
Anyone who’s been unfortunate to witness and one of his hundreds of political “rallies” over the last five years can tell you what absolute bullshit this is. Except those who have been fully immersed in the cult - they will tell you their alternative facts and deny that he’s ever actively encouraged violence against those who disagree with his warped world view. What a fucking joke. You have your head well and truly up your arse if you think any Trump rally came within a country Mile to what happened in Democrat run cities last year. You suffer from an extreme bout of TDS and every post of yours reflects it. How could anyone debate someone who is clearly biased towards Trump and full of hate towards him. Oh look - more misguided moral equivalency. Color me shocked.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 13, 2021 23:41:32 GMT
I think there are some key differences here. 1. despite her concerns, she didn’t try to illegally overturn the election results and didn’t spend weeks lying to voters with baseless claims to undermine the election result. 2. She didn’t lead an armed insurgency and attempt armed insurrection. Nice attempt at false equivalency, though. Surprised you haven’t tried to blame Obama yet: what does the riot have to do with what she said ? Trump was slammed by her and her cronies for doubting the integrity of the election before the riot on capitol hill. Doubting the integrity of an election is one thing. I think you know that your boy didn’t stop at expressing some doubt. If you can’t see the difference, there is nothing else I can say that will convince you. I’ll save my breath.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 13, 2021 23:35:11 GMT
Anyone who’s been unfortunate to witness and one of his hundreds of political “rallies” over the last five years can tell you what absolute bullshit this is. Except those who have been fully immersed in the cult - they will tell you their alternative facts and deny that he’s ever actively encouraged violence against those who disagree with his warped world view. What a fucking joke.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 13, 2021 23:26:44 GMT
A landslide where 75 million voted for the loser? Interesting landslide. 74.2 million voted for Trump. The 75 million lie illustrates just how easily Trump can reshape facts by constantly pushing false information. A landslide where 7 million more people voted for the winner than the loser. An electoral college result exactly the same as the landslide Trump claimed in 2017 Stop confusing them with facts!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 13, 2021 22:52:34 GMT
"Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts." Nancy Pelosi in 2016 The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. I think there are some key differences here. 1. despite her concerns, she didn’t try to illegally overturn the election results and didn’t spend weeks lying to voters with baseless claims to undermine the election result. 2. She didn’t lead an armed insurgency and attempt armed insurrection. Nice attempt at false equivalency, though. Surprised you haven’t tried to blame Obama yet:
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 12, 2021 1:47:34 GMT
Were they really denied boarding because they are classed as terrorists? If so, why are they being treated as terrorists before they have had their day in court? If that is the case then I find that a bit disturbing. I am not condoning their actions (in entering the govt buildings) but I think denying them a flight on the basis of being judged a 'terrorist' presumably before they have been tried seems over the top. Surely the airline could have denied them boarding by citing some other basis? It does make you wonder how they got as far as getting onto a plane, but then again, this was all happening in real time so they may have already been onboard before the no fly alert took effect. As for being classed as terrorists, then I think the word "alleged" would have been used. On that note, if there was an alleged terrorist in an airport on on an aeroplane, then I'm like them to be arrested as quickly as possible. Correct. Completely understand that people are innocent until proven guilty, but suspected terrorists carry a slightly different risk. Would anyone here feel comfortable sharing a plane flight with somebody who was awaiting terrorism-related charges? Fuck that - they can have the privilege of flying again once they have been cleared of any charges. If found guilty, they should be permanently on the no-fly list like anyone else who has been found guilty of similar shares. Fuck their feelings.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 11, 2021 1:45:03 GMT
How about this. Big, tough MAGA guy gets thrown off flight. Starts crying. These fucking retards all had their phones out. All posted to social media and thought nothing would happen. Trump doesn't give a shit about you. He doesn't care about his VP. Why would he care about his minions doing his dirty work? That’s fucking glorious. What is it these hard men like to say? Fuck around and find out? Well, they fucked around and now the finding out begins. It’s also ironic that a section of these fucking morons have spent the 9 months banging on about the 5G Virus and Bill Gates plans to inject everyone with a tracking device - yet they were cool storming the Capital and attacking the old bill with location services set to “on” while live-streaming their crimes and publishing the photos on their public social media profiles and tagging their co-treasoners in the posts. Best of all - those convicted of felony offenses will lose their right to vote. Karma is a bitch! I swear the average IQ of the free population in this country will increase tenfold once these shit-for-brained cultists are locked away.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 21:04:40 GMT
Yes, obviously fake news. And by “fake news”, what they really mean is “suspend all belief in reality and deny what you’ve seen with your own eyes”. The only real source for truth is Trump’s Twitter feed, and since that’s now gone, nothing is real except that which the radical right wing media chooses to feed you. The good news is that many people are being identified and arrested after displaying their silly flags and paramilitary insignia on their “uniforms”. They certainly my made it easy for law enforcement to round them up for their fun day out doing treason and terrorism. Let's hope they are treated fairly and with respect. It's such a shame that some of them will face longer sentences as a result of Donald's new punishment regime for damage to federal buildings etc. Perhaps they can thank him if any of them are fortunate enough to end up sharing a cell with him? Man of the people that he is, I’m sure he’ll be thrilled.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 20:07:52 GMT
I was wondering about all the different flags that were on display. When Trump said I love you all to the "protesters" I'm sure he meant to exclude these folks. Having said that, I'm sure there were good people amongst the Neo-Nazis and fruitloops. CNN, so obviously fake.Yes, obviously fake news. And by “fake news”, what they really mean is “suspend all belief in reality and deny what you’ve seen with your own eyes”. The only real source for truth is Trump’s Twitter feed, and since that’s now gone, nothing is real except that which the radical right wing media chooses to feed you. The good news is that many people are being identified and arrested after displaying their silly flags and paramilitary insignia on their “uniforms”. They certainly my made it easy for law enforcement to round them up for their fun day out doing treason and terrorism.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 19:09:33 GMT
I don’t reason with terrorist sympathizers. Aren't you a good boy. Shouldn’t you be enjoying your last few hours if Klan planning with your brethren on Parler before it gets shut down tonight?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 18:42:55 GMT
Jesus Christ, you really are beyond help. You’re like those monkeys with their eyes and ears covered, but you just keep talking. You need to seek help. You are an absolute idiot who cannot be reasoned with because of TDS. I don’t reason with terrorist sympathizers.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 16:44:07 GMT
But still not concerned about the attempted silencing of voters? Obama, Biden and Clinton haven’t used Twitter to incite terrorists to try and overthrow the US Government, and haven’t led an armed insurrection attempt - unless I missed something and you can show otherwise. Silencing of voters ? Their you go again making false claims about Trump. What part of his speech before the protest headed up to capitol hill where he clearly said we are going to March in peace ? You need that TDS looking at. Jesus Christ, you really are beyond help. You’re like those monkeys with their eyes and ears covered, but you just keep talking. You need to seek help.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 16:24:10 GMT
I would be just as concerned if they were trying to silence Clinton, Obama or Biden. But still not concerned about the attempted silencing of voters? Obama, Biden and Clinton haven’t used Twitter to incite terrorists to try and overthrow the US Government, and haven’t led an armed insurrection attempt - unless I missed something and you can show otherwise.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2021 15:55:00 GMT
It’s disturbing to see some people more concerned with Trump being silenced on Twitter than they were about him trying to silence millions of voters in Pennsylvania and Georgia.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 23:30:27 GMT
I’m not American sweetheart, I’m a citizen of the United Kingdom. The caveman comment was directed at you specifically, not the general population, but if you think Great Britain is without its own issues when it comes to race, you clearly do indeed live in a cave. Perhaps not to the extent of the problems here in the US, but certainly not perfect by any stretch. There are more than just a few bigoted xenophobia like your good self. And how would you know you don't live here sweetheart have a nice day. I was born and raised in Trent Vegas and lived in Stoke for the first 36 years of my life. I think I’ve got a pretty solid grasp on things. Kind of ironic that you’re adding your opinion to a thread regarding the President of the United States though, no? Not the slightest bit hypocritical.....
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 23:20:18 GMT
If course all lives matter. It’s a shame that some currently matter more than others, hence the need for BLM. Now fuck off back to your cave, I’ve got no interest in having a conversation with you. I take it you are speaking about inequality in your country, it might surprise you that the same does not apply here in the UK hence there not being a need for the imported hatred of the BLM movement, our country is one of the most tolerant in the World we do not need that balance disturbing by these agitators like many things that originate in the USA we don't need them here, the inference that we are backward and live in caves is frankly hilarious coming from an American citizen, your need to resort to resort to abusive Anglo Saxon insults confirms you have lost the argument sweet heart have a nice day. I’m not American sweetheart, I’m a citizen of the United Kingdom. The caveman comment was directed at you specifically, not the general population, but if you think Great Britain is without its own issues when it comes to race, you clearly do indeed live in a cave. Perhaps not to the extent of the problems here in the US, but certainly not perfect by any stretch. There are more than just a few bigoted xenophobia like your good self.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 22:35:39 GMT
Your ignorance is pretty staggering there, fella. Not really bothered what you think cow boy tbf, all lives matter don't you agree ? If course all lives matter. It’s a shame that some currently matter more than others, hence the need for BLM. Now fuck off back to your cave, I’ve got no interest in having a conversation with you.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 22:32:55 GMT
I actually agree with and share some of your concerns, so let’s drop the “wokeness” argument because it’s plan daft. Cancell culture exists in both sides of the political spectrum and I agree that in many cases, it’s fucking stupid. But back to the main point - where do we draw the line? We just has armed militia storming the Capitol during the certification of the next President - all encouraged, cheered on and celebrated by the man who just lost the election. 5 people are dead, including a Capitol law enforcement offers. There were militia members with zip ties roaming the Capital building. A gallows was erected outside, and the crown inside were chanting “Hang Mike Pence” - a direct result of Trump’s bizarre claims on Social Media that the VP had some kind of right to overturn the election results. Alarmist the entire elected Goverment was evacuated. Reporters were attacked and the mob scrawled “mourner the media” on the walls inside the Capital. You cool with there being no consequences for that, or so we let it go further? I’m not disputing your claims about China because - well, it’s China and nothing would surprise me - but I would love to see a link to these Twitter posts your referencing if you have e them? The new illiberal woke left is a huge factor in cancel culture so I don't think you can just pass that off as daft or irrelevant. Well I don't think anyone has all the answers but first things first, I think it's important we highlight that there are another 74 odd million Trump supporters who aren't violent psychos. My personal view is that I don't think any world leader/government should be banned from Twitter. I do think comments could perhaps be cavaeted with wording if there are outlandish statements (ie genocide is good for Uighurs). Whether we like it or not, the world needs to see what all leaders are saying. We shouldn't just ban them because by doing that we learn fuck all plus its open to mass fraud - ie Twitters leadership team will have political bias and why should we their political views preside over others? Tell me - apart from creating more hate, anger and distrust in already angry Trump supporters, what are Twitter achieving by their cancelling of Trump? I'll post the China statement below. You’ll have to explain to me what you mean by “woke illiberal” because it sounds like nonsense. Like I said, both sides of the political spectrum ha e contributed to cancel culture - some of it is plain ridiculous, some of it a valid attempt at creating progress. I assume you’re a big fan of the term “snowflake” too, which is similarly pathetic. I understand they there are a large percentage of Trump supporters who are not (yet) violent psychos, but he and others are suing the media (including social platforms) to try and radicalize more and more of them with an endless stream of lies and propaganda. He’s been given more than enough freedom in these platforms, but inciting a violent coup attempt is crossing the line. He’s got the worlds media on call any time he likes, so it’s not like he’s even remotely been silenced - but enough was enough. We can agree to disagree on how World Leaders should be treated on social media. For me, they have to be held to a much higher standard than Jihadists and hooligans as you put it. Trump is the Commander-In-Chief of the most powerful military on the planet and has the power and authority to do far more damage than a few loud-mouthed wanna-be terrorists, and with that comes great responsibility. He’s abused his position and continued to rule up a huge swath of the population. He’s crossed a line. As far as the Chinese post you referenced - yes, it’s disgusting, but it’s no worse that what Trump has been allowed to get way with for the last four years, calling Mexicans rapists and targeting a multitude of groups with hateful shit in much the same vein. But again, he crossed the line when he actively encouraged an attack on the Capitol. He’s become an active threat to his own people, and it should just be the tech companies taking action. He needs to be held accountable.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 21:07:10 GMT
Then why do BLM, AntiFa and supporters of other such protected left leaning groups have free reign to call for rape, murder and violence without fear of recourse? Remember a few months back when BLM and AntiFa actually firebombed government buildings and forcibly took over a sizeable chunk of Seattle, all organised via the same social media platforms that now ban Trump? If you're going to ban one then you have to ban the other, that's only fair. Anything else and it just shows bias. Wasn't there a thread on here literally the other day about on of the BLM leaders being banned from Twitter? Plenty of BLM and Antifa accounts have been removed, but the “news” sources of the simpletons don’t report on that. It’s also interesting that they are comparing the President of the United States conduct on Social Media to that of groups they would like to see classed as terrorist organizations, and asking that he be judged by the same standards. That’s more than a little disturbing.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 20:52:14 GMT
With his track record of not paying contractors, I doubt they’ll find one willing to take the risk. He’s pretty much left the country in the same state that he leaves most of his businesses. To be fair it takes some going to bankrupt a casino. Not just one, either. There’s a reason why he’s so hell bent on hiding his full tax records, and that of course is his primary reason for attempting a coup to cling on to power. He’s in a whole world of shit once his presidential protection is removed.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 20:19:03 GMT
Your now showing your self up for the idiot you are she was shot by the police defending the lawmakers at a barricade in their houses of parliament he was shot unprovoked and unarmed Let's also look at the race element blm peaceful protest 100s of police in riot gear right supremacist protest that were armed few police defending the Capitol building Are you also saying its right for a mob to storm a house's of parliament as they dodnt get their own way Who was shot unprovoked and unarmed get with the programme George Floyd was not shot he was resisting arrest when the American Officer killed him you halfwit. The woman shot dead was unarmed. Your ignorance is pretty staggering there, fella.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 20:18:19 GMT
Has the removal van turned up yet? With his track record of not paying contractors, I doubt they’ll find one willing to take the risk. He’s pretty much left the country in the same state that he leaves most of his businesses.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 19:24:12 GMT
China has a horrendous human rights record, but is their government using social media to incite violence or terrorism? I’ve not seen any examples of that, but feel free to prove me wrong. Trump has been actively inciting violence ON THE PLATFORMS that he’s now been banned from. I’m all for free speech, but that doesn’t mean it’s free of consequences. It’s kind of ironic that he’s been pushing to repeal section 230, which in essence means that Social Networks are not responsible for any of the content listed by users. If he is successful in repealing that law, do you think for one minutes that ANY social network will be willing to give him a voice, since they will then be liable for any of the statements he makes? Will they fuck. If you want to get a true look at just how vile the shitstorm has become, go spend 10 minutes taking a look at some of the posts on Parler and then come back and tell me we don’t need some kind of moderation or accountability on social media. Perhaps this tweet deserves a ban? www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/30/australian-mps-unite-to-condemn-grossly-insulting-chinese-government-tweetZhao’s tweet, posted on Monday, seized on a report from a four-year-long official investigation into the conduct of Australian special forces soldiers in Afghanistan, saying he was “shocked by murder of Afghan civilians & prisoners by Australian soldiers”. The tweet was accompanied by a faked image that appears to depict an Australian soldier cutting the throat of a young civilian holding a sheep, together with the words: “Don’t be afraid, we are coming to bring you peace!” Perhaps it does. Again - the line has to be drawn somewhere, and it needs to be applied universally.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 19:10:41 GMT
Interested to know what your opinion is of all the Jihadist accounts that were purged to help stem the radicalization of Muslims in an effort to prevent the spread of Islamic terrorism. Do you think those accounts should have been left to continue unchecked? Ah the two wrongs making a right argument No, two wrings don’t make a right. Two wrongs are two wrongs - let’s treat them equally.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 19:10:04 GMT
China has a horrendous human rights record, but is their government using social media to incite violence or terrorism? I’ve not seen any examples of that, but feel free to prove me wrong. Trump has been actively inciting violence ON THE PLATFORMS that he’s now been banned from. I’m all for free speech, but that doesn’t mean it’s free of consequences. It’s kind of ironic that he’s been pushing to repeal section 230, which in essence means that Social Networks are not responsible for any of the content listed by users. If he is successful in repealing that law, do you think for one minutes that ANY social network will be willing to give him a voice, since they will then be liable for any of the statements he makes? Will they fuck. If you want to get a true look at just how vile the shitstorm has become, go spend 10 minutes taking a look at some of the posts on Parler and then come back and tell me we don’t need some kind of moderation or accountability on social media. Re China - yes. Only yesterday they've sponsored a post stating that "when they come out of concentration camps, they will have a future". That's sicker and more disgusting than pretty much anything we've seen posted from a member of any political party on twitter, ever. I don't think anyone would agree that Trump's inciting comments and China's horrifying pro genocide comments are remotely acceptable. But you can't ban one and not the other. And perhaps more importantly, if you start banning governments, at what point do you stop? So Twitter has just banned a president that nearly half of Americans voted for... That's a dangerous precedent to set? Censoring terrorist organisations and criminal activity is one thing, but banning governments gets into incredibly murky and dangerous waters. Our woke Western world has become utterly obsessed with cancel culture and cancelling those we disagree with... That will not end well. I actually agree with and share some of your concerns, so let’s drop the “wokeness” argument because it’s plan daft. Cancell culture exists in both sides of the political spectrum and I agree that in many cases, it’s fucking stupid. But back to the main point - where do we draw the line? We just has armed militia storming the Capitol during the certification of the next President - all encouraged, cheered on and celebrated by the man who just lost the election. 5 people are dead, including a Capitol law enforcement offers. There were militia members with zip ties roaming the Capital building. A gallows was erected outside, and the crown inside were chanting “Hang Mike Pence” - a direct result of Trump’s bizarre claims on Social Media that the VP had some kind of right to overturn the election results. Alarmist the entire elected Goverment was evacuated. Reporters were attacked and the mob scrawled “mourner the media” on the walls inside the Capital. You cool with there being no consequences for that, or so we let it go further? I’m not disputing your claims about China because - well, it’s China and nothing would surprise me - but I would love to see a link to these Twitter posts your referencing if you have e them?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 18:48:19 GMT
Interested to know what your opinion is of all the Jihadist accounts that were purged to help stem the radicalization of Muslims in an effort to prevent the spread of Islamic terrorism. Do you think those accounts should have been left to continue unchecked? Well, funny you mention that because I actually lost a friend to radicalisation in 2009 so have a fair bit to talk about on that very subject. I don't really want to get into the whole "should Jihadi terrorists be band or censored from Twitter", when that's a complete straw man in relation to what we are debating here, or at least what I'm debating. As it happens, yes, I do believe Jihadi terrorists should be censored on twitter.. We are talking about big tech banning the president of the United States, one of the most powerful nations on earth, on the most powerful platform on earth, meanwhile accepting and indeed supporting the leader of the other most powerful nation on earth, China, despite the latter doing far far worse, inflicting a mass genocide and mass oppression on its population, lying about the biggest pandemic ever and completely obliterating all rational human rights causes. Surely you can concede, that at the very least, if we want to start banning governments (which I vehemently disagree with at all costs) then the entirety of the Chinese Communist Party need to banned immediately? China has a horrendous human rights record, but is their government using social media to incite violence or terrorism? I’ve not seen any examples of that, but feel free to prove me wrong. Trump has been actively inciting violence ON THE PLATFORMS that he’s now been banned from. I’m all for free speech, but that doesn’t mean it’s free of consequences. It’s kind of ironic that he’s been pushing to repeal section 230, which in essence means that Social Networks are not responsible for any of the content listed by users. If he is successful in repealing that law, do you think for one minutes that ANY social network will be willing to give him a voice, since they will then be liable for any of the statements he makes? Will they fuck. If you want to get a true look at just how vile the shitstorm has become, go spend 10 minutes taking a look at some of the posts on Parler and then come back and tell me we don’t need some kind of moderation or accountability on social media.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 18:24:44 GMT
Yeah stopping hate speech and the spread of fascism is shit. Behave So you think it's acceptable that the US president is censored and banned but the Nazi esc Chinese dictatorship with concentration camps isn't? Behave. Interested to know what your opinion is of all the Jihadist accounts that were purged to help stem the radicalization of Muslims in an effort to prevent the spread of Islamic terrorism. Do you think those accounts should have been left to continue unchecked?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
Hard to fathom how Shawcross is being highlighted after watching that. He’s not the player he once was, but wouldn’t be near the top of the list for criticism today.
McClean and Vokes were complete dogshit, and Brown wasn’t far behind. I don’t understand how you watch that ga e and choose to highlight Shawcross as a primary issue.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 18:05:33 GMT
Your issue is with the President of the United States. The dead woman's blood is entirely on his hands. Why did he shoot her Mo ? will you be taking the knee for this woman shot dead by a Police officer in the USA ? Not hard to see why she was shot when you look at the footage. It’s a miracle that more we’re not shot and killed.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 17:54:29 GMT
Because a message needs to be sent that this is not something that will be tolerated. You can’t have the sitting President inciting sedition and committing treason, and the Hyatt be like “it’s all good, he’s only got a few days left”. There will be plenty of much smarter people than Trump (low bar, I know) who are watching this and seeing just how easy it is to rile up these gullible fuckwits like puppets on a string, and we need to make sure a clear message is sent that this shit will not be happening again. Trump band his entire circle of scum need to be made an example of. Inciting sedition and committing treason You have to be a fuckwit yourself to call all Trump supporters gullible fuckwits, and goes to show how biased you are in your viewpoint, TDS has got to you really badly. They come from ALL walks of life and the majority as we have all seen at all rallies and protests for the best part have been orderly and peaceful. Gullible fuckwits from all walks of life, but mostly uneducated, bigoted, ignorant, simple-minded imbeciles who are actively cheering on a rush to dictatorship. The sad part is, Trump has done nothing to improve their lives. He’s using them as pawns for his own personal gain, and they’ve fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It’s time for everyone to start facing the consequences of their stupidity.
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