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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 15:48:35 GMT
The lie that they were being disrespected. Which was rich as at the exact same time you were taking potshots at the Muslim Council of Great Britain. But I didn't say that. You don't half like twisting words. I also didn't take any pot shots at the MCoGB did I. I posted their response to the attack - as it was very pertinent, and said it should have been stronger. Lots of people agreed. You don't half like making things up, but well done on refraining from the childish playground insults.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 15:03:18 GMT
Where did I say that "havinhg no repect towards those he died"? You're making yet more stuff up. I'll let the people who know me decide if I'm "a horrible man". I'll let everyone read your ranting hate filled posts, filled with deliberate misrepresentations to decide what type of man you are. Still struggling with the lie eh? The lie was related to your accusation regarding the dead. Anyone with half a brain knows what you were saying (you've admitted it). Why bring it up at all? There's only one person grasping about. What lie about the dead?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:57:48 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:51:52 GMT
Well you told me you knew what I was thinking - as you've done elsewhere - so I kind of assumed you could accurately answer your own question. So I said "Over 100 people have lost their lives only a few hours ago and you're already bringing this shit up." You know I was referring to your post trying to deflect the discussions onto the Americans. The Americans and the west are partially to blame for ISIS, but it was pretty much your opening gambit on the discussion. "Not a clue what you're on about re lying." - really is it too difficult to remember what you typed a couple of hours ago? So I was right then you accused me of havinhg no repect towards those he died. A horrible accusation from a horrible man. Where did I say that "havinhg no repect towards those he died"? You're making yet more stuff up. I'll let the people who know me decide if I'm "a horrible man". I'll let everyone read your ranting hate filled posts, filled with deliberate misrepresentations to decide what type of man you are. Still struggling with the lie eh?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:37:17 GMT
I don't trust them on most things, but logic would have to be massively twisted (which sometimes it is I grant you) to actively provide backing for ISIS. Do they really want rid of Assad more than ISIS? I don't think the current regime listen to McCain too much do they? Also, I heard him say that they should arm the Free Syrian Army but not ISIS? The FSA are fighting ISIS I understand.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:21:35 GMT
Wrong again. Your mind reading skills are a bit crap aren't they? My "smal" minded view of the world? You really have no idea. Not the first fucking idea. "Grubby boy" - you really can't help yourself with the childish insults can you? It really is amazing that you have the nerve to call anyone else's posts "hate filled". Still struggling with the lie I'd guess. Come on. Well I've asked you twice now what you actually meant and youve declined. I guess you're embarrassed by it. Not a clue what you're on about re lying. You'll have to remind me. Well you told me you knew what I was thinking - as you've done elsewhere - so I kind of assumed you could accurately answer your own question. So I said "Over 100 people have lost their lives only a few hours ago and you're already bringing this shit up." You know I was referring to your post trying to deflect the discussions onto the Americans. The Americans and the west are partially to blame for ISIS, but it was pretty much your opening gambit on the discussion. "Not a clue what you're on about re lying." - really is it too difficult to remember what you typed a couple of hours ago? Maybe if you want to encourage articulate debate it would help if you didn't attack reasonable posts and resort to name calling almost from your first post on this thread? Maybe you shouldn't lie and make baseless grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:07:57 GMT
I've read through that (I'd seen it before). I'm not finding it compelling I'm afraid. If you are performing supply drops then some will go astray. Fair enough mate, I respect your opinion but I must say the US government repeatedly claim all supply drops reached their intended targets. There is no denying they want Assad out though and that they originally supplied what later became Isis. I studied American foreign policy and I can fully assure you they are not to be trusted in the middle-east, not least because their press is rife with jingoism. After they took over the majority of Anglo-Iranian Oil Company from the British in the early 1950s and organised the coup d'état against the Iranian government - it was supposed to be a diplomatic mission - they have continually meddled with middle-eastern affairs and not for the better. To be honest, it is such a complicated conflict, highlighted by this article I have linked for you which I think sums it up quite well. We don't know half of what goes on, I just don't believe we should buy into the notion that we are all on some crusade to Syria to defeat Isis and we should definitely not trust the Americans. I'd like to think we had learned our lessons from Iraq and to be honest I think Cameron has been very wary of this - he has been awfully quiet since Friday, hasn't he? Then again, he is in an awful predicament because they are an invaluable ally. I don't feel sorry for Cameron because he's a massive c**t and he is not shy of corruption himself but there is no easy solution to any of the problems the conflict has created. i100.independent.co.uk/article/letter-to-daily-mail-gives-excellent-explanation-of-war-with-isis--lkdXgHvQrgI don't trust them on most things, but logic would have to be massively twisted (which sometimes it is I grant you) to actively provide backing for ISIS. Do they really want rid of Assad more than ISIS?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:59:48 GMT
Thank you for the most accurate description of me so far (after previously trying the likes of "Nazi" and "idiot" - maybe you are lovely after all). You tell me what I meant - after all you just said you know. Come on, where was the lie on that page? Please. I'm struggling to find it. Its a s clear as day what you meant. You were implying that anyone who didn't share your smal minded view of the world didn't have compassion for those killed. You grubby boy. Wrong again. Your mind reading skills are a bit crap aren't they? My "smal" minded view of the world? You really have no idea. Not the first fucking idea. "Grubby boy" - you really can't help yourself with the childish insults can you? It really is amazing that you have the nerve to call anyone else's posts "hate filled". Still struggling with the lie I'd guess. Come on.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:34:55 GMT
Fucking 'ell you're touchy - while repeatedly calling people "dick", "racist", etc. That's not a "grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed" is it. What was I implying? You keep on doing this, claiming to know what people really mean. Where was the lie then? Desperate. What did you mean by the phrase then, genius? Thank you for the most accurate description of me so far (after previously trying the likes of "Nazi" and "idiot" - maybe you are lovely after all). You tell me what I meant - after all you just said you know. Come on, where was the lie on that page? Please. I'm struggling to find it.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:27:21 GMT
"Over 100 people have lost their lives only a few hours ago and you're already bringing this shit up."You know full well what you were implying. Thought Police, anyone?! He loves telling me what I'm thinking. Pretty amazing I'd say.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:22:30 GMT
So the things I said on page 4 are: So where the fuck did I "lie and make baseless grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed"? Or can't you count? "Over 100 people have lost their lives only a few hours ago and you're already bringing this shit up."You know full well what you were implying. Fucking 'ell you're touchy - while repeatedly calling people "dick", "racist", etc. That's not a "grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed" is it. What was I implying? You keep on doing this, claiming to know what people really mean. Where was the lie then? Desperate.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:14:02 GMT
So you're telling us that the US are supplying ISIS as fact? How do you know? Can you provide links to credible sources? Thanks You seem like a reasonable bloke so I encourage you to have an open mind about these things. Like I have said to you already, I have only recently started to read into this perspective in the last couple of weeks myself, partly through a growing mistrust of our own mainstream media in Britain. From what I gather, the mainstream media will have you believe that the ammunition is being dropped to a group of Arab rebels who are miraculously fighting both Assad and Isis. For such a small and recently formed coalition, I don't see how this is possible. 21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/18/in-plain-sight-coalition-forces-routinely-air-drop-military-supplies-to-isis-fighters-in-syria/I've read through that (I'd seen it before). I'm not finding it compelling I'm afraid. If you are performing supply drops then some will go astray.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 13:07:41 GMT
So the things I said on page 4 are: So where the fuck did I "lie and make baseless grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed"? Or can't you count?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 12:15:35 GMT
Maybe if you want to encourage articulate debate it would help if you didn't attack reasonable posts and resort to name calling almost from your first post on this thread? Maybe you shouldn't lie and make baseless grubby accusations that people have no feeling for those killed? Where?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 12:06:40 GMT
Have you actually read the link FYD? There's PLENTY of examples posted in the link, of the Quran calling for the murder of non-believers. Or am I missing your point? Couple of quotes: Thank god that most Muslims are moderate and sensible.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 11:59:04 GMT
You accused NATO of re arming them as well as the US, to claim NATO is involved in arming terrorists is quite frankly pathetic Carpslayer, if you look into the news further enough you will know that Russia bombed the fuck out of Isis the other week and all their ammunition was obliterated. The next day, the US is resupplying the rebels in their fight against Assad. The rebels are supported by Isis and have control over these weapons. Of course, they're not directly supplying Isis but they know exactly what is happening. It isn't pathetic it is a fact. Although, Isis does not need these weapons anymore because it sells oils by the million to Turkey. I'm sorry to break it to you but we are unfortunately not all together on one big crusade against Isis in the middle east and their is corruption everywhere in this world. Of course you're not going to be told this on mainstream news channels though. So you're telling us that the US are supplying ISIS as fact? How do you know? Can you provide links to credible sources? Thanks
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 11:55:12 GMT
If this thread teaches us anything its that History should be treated as a core subject along with Maths and English. I've never read as much factually incorrect, poorly interpreted rubbish masquerading as fact in all my life. Dangerous, racist and deeply offensive, idiocy. The hallmarks of the EE board. Maybe if you want to encourage articulate debate it would help if you didn't attack reasonable posts and resort to name calling almost from your first post on this thread?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 11:35:25 GMT
Not even counting 2,500 unaccounted for through mass kidnap and complete destruction of villages, it's the number of innocent Nigerians killed by terrorist attacks so far in 2015. If we are to combat terrorism, then it must be done throughout, with equal weighting placed on each innocent person's life. This is not to devalue the complete horror and terror in Paris this year, but to elevate the lost lives of all of our brothers throughout the world. So, why is there not so much grief and international outcry to put 'boots on the ground' in Nigeria too in order to destroy Boko Haram? Is there something so obvious as to why? These people were also going around their daily lives, doing what they do, going to work, going to school, praying at the mosque.... oh - that's why... Isn't what is happening in Nigeria is that Boko Haram are based in the Muslim north and attacking the mainly Christian south? Compared to Syria there's little coverage and appears to be little support from the rest of the world which I highlighted on the refugees thread.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 2:01:29 GMT
putlocker.is/watch-death-of-a-gentleman-online-free-putlocker.htmlInteresting. Watching the Tests in Australia and India at the moment - the attendances at Test matches are pretty poor. England Tests at home are really well attended. England in Australia, and some Indian Tests do well. Elsewhere the game is ill and needs something to save it (even though here it's doing well). What to do? First thing is to penalise wickets that are flat and end the competition between bat and ball. Thoughts Test match lovers?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 1:16:00 GMT
Worse film ever?
War horse.
After the first few minutes I couldn't even watch it: saccharine and manipulative.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 1:12:20 GMT
Of course there is. Our dislike of Vale, Man Ure and Arsenal. Show me a Stoke fan with a soft spot for any of them (especially the latter 2) and I'd question that they're a Stoke fan. There's a lonely shit fan who haunts this board and a few Vale trolls on the other one. So just Arsenal then?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 1:11:21 GMT
...we all agree on? Bet there isn't. Look at the worst food thread. How can people not like mushrooms? Other than Doctor Martins is there anything that unites us? ...and just to add: dislike of mushrooms? I fuckin hate the shit. So does my Mrs. And the kids. They're fucking disgusting. Went up to visit the mother in law last year. 8 hour drive up to Scotland. Got there and she'd cooked a meal for us including Stovies - which when my Mrs does is fantastic. The Mother in Law had done the stovies with mushrooms. They're were lots left and lot of disappointed faces. Smiley fungus.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 1:04:00 GMT
...we all agree on? Bet there isn't. Look at the worst food thread. How can people not like mushrooms? Other than Doctor Martins is there anything that unites us? Of course there is. Our dislike of Vale, Man Ure and Arsenal. Show me a Stoke fan with a soft spot for any of them (especially the latter 2) and I'd question that they're a Stoke fan.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 0:12:52 GMT
Fucking hell that is laughable blame passing shit even by the Guardian's standards. Seriously you see blame passing, I see an explanation of where and how the guns were obtained from, I don't read the Guardian but I can't see them suggesting anywhere these guns fired themselves.... The knee jerk reaction from some on here is ...blame the West and now ...to blame the French gun laws. They are factors that are involved in the whole sorry affair, but given the people highlighting these distractions, it really is part of shifting the blame.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 16, 2015 0:03:01 GMT
The reason for the attacks in Paris was Islam and it's teachings . Muslims committed this atrocity because their Koran tells them all muslims should spread Islam around the world by any means necessary and that the infidel should be killed. This is abhorrent and has no place in Europe and those that defend them and make excuses for them should be ashamed of themselves . Very silly and uneducated. Shame on them Silly and uneducated you say, a simple google disproves another Harry myth, you've obviously read the Koran perhaps you'll mention the bit that says it's an offence to kill non muslims or something like that. www.quora.com/Where-in-the-Quran-does-it-say-that-non-believers-must-be-killedJust for balance like... www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths-of-islam.htmNow all old religious texts carry some really silly things - the old testament of the Bible tells us that if a soldier has a wet dream that they need to spend next day and night in the wilderness, and that if your house has mildew you must burn it down.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 15, 2015 22:09:00 GMT
Sorry but I blame the USA for the stupid and illegal invasion of Iraq , the bombing of Baghdad was one of the most barbaric acts in modern times . No arguing there and it's said the leadership of ISIS includes many former members of Sadaam's party so they doubly fucked up by not involving them in post Sadaam government. The invasion of Afghanistan could actually have been avoided too as the Taliban actually offered to give Osama to them to avoid war. So you're saying that the blame for Friday's attacks lies with the west for some stupid decisions in the past that formed/helped ISIS, rather than the murderers that committed the attack, or the people who helped organise and plan the attack?
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 15, 2015 21:51:19 GMT
So go on then, oh wise one, educate us. Without any of those silly memes please which are infantile at best, and just ignores the real reality of the situation. So has the world not suffered many many attacks in the past few years from Islamic extremists? Do these extremists not have quite a bit of support from within the Muslim community - but they certainly don't represent anywhere near all Muslims? Do they represent the biggest threat to world security? And of course the west had perhaps an unwilling hand in their creation. You're more likely to be hit by a bus or stung by a wasp, statistically speaking. And the current crisis is a direct result of the west's intervention. All true and very uncomfortable for some on here don't you agree? So that's all fine and dandy then. Do you want to tell the friends and relatives of the 129 killed on Friday that it's an accident of nature? While you're at it, could you let the friends and relative of the 43 killed by the ISIS bombing in Beirut last week the same? So at the many many atrocities carried out in the name of Islam (and many times against fellow Muslims because they happen not follow the right flavour of Islam), we just shrug our shoulders, blame the west for helping them get started and say well you're more likely to be run over? You seem to be quite happy to absolve the terrorists of blame - shifting it onto the west and America.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 15, 2015 21:40:40 GMT
So this survey was done on 1 billion people, pretty impressive how long did it take to count all the answers ? Otherwise i'm guessing it's just a BS survey, if 70% wanted Sharia Law to be the law of the land doesn't really make any sense that 70% wouldn't want this to apply to everyone otherwise it wouldn't be the law of the land. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_GellerInteresting lady president of a group designated the leader of an anti-islam hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Centre. Perhaps you should choose your sources more carefully. As I said, I hope the source is wrong. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.htmlThe encouraging bit is at the end.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 15, 2015 21:34:27 GMT
So are you suggesting that the KKK represent a threat to world piece and lives across the world as ISIS? So ISIS don't represent views widely held across the Muslim community? I really hope this stuff is wrong... muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/pew-poll-analysis-a-billion-muslims-want-sharia-law-2/(Word of warning - there are some horrific images on the above site). Question 1) Should the law of the land be Sharia law?; and Question (2) should that apply to everyone, including non-Muslims? — 70%, or 700 million Muslims out of the billion represented by Q1 of their survey, want Sharia law to be the law of the land; — 32%, or 266 million Muslims out of the 840 million represented by Q2 of their survey, want to force it upon everyone. So this survey was done on 1 billion people, pretty impressive how long did it take to count all the answers ? Otherwise i'm guessing it's just a BS survey, if 70% wanted Sharia Law to be the law of the land doesn't really make any sense that 70% wouldn't want this to apply to everyone otherwise it wouldn't be the law of the land. Oh, of course that's how opinion polls are done: they ask every single fucking person don't they? FFS
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 15, 2015 21:32:11 GMT
What's changed? Yesterday you preached to us it was not a Muslim attack I don't "preach" anything Al. It was a terrorist attack by definition. The terrorists happened to be Muslim extremists. The terrorists didn't "happened to be Muslim". Do you think that ISIS were asking for volunteers and the Christians, Seiks, Hindus, Atheists, just didn't fancy it?
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