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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 1, 2009 10:10:29 GMT
A very apt quote from beardy;- 'when we draw a game and we have lots of quotes from different people like "braindead prick", "he's fucking useless", "big lumbering fool", "total waste of fucking space" plus many, many more, it's very hard to read for me. These are supposed to be our own players and manager and some sound like they have more hatred for them than any opposition.' Do we have more than our fair share of poor characters whose own weakness comes out in the comments highlighted above by beardy? A player has been dropped for discipline reasons We draw a game we should have won The manager made a poor substitution with a player who is not yet fit (he may have looked ok in training) All points worthy of debate but as 'beardy' points out, certainly no cause for all this poison and vitriol aimed at our players and manager who have after all placed us 3 points away from the top four!  ??? |
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Post by Winge on Nov 1, 2009 10:12:53 GMT
A very apt quote from beardy;- 'when we draw a game and we have lots of quotes from different people like "braindead prick", "he's fucking useless", "big lumbering fool", "total waste of fucking space" plus many, many more, it's very hard to read for me. These are supposed to be our own players and manager and some sound like they have more hatred for them than any opposition.' Do we have more than our fair share of poor characters whose own weakness comes out in the comments highlighted above by beardy? A player has been dropped for discipline reasons We draw a game we should have won The manager made a poor substitution with a player who is not yet fit (he may have looked ok in training) All points worthy of debate but as 'beardy' points out, certainly no cause for all this poison and vitriol aimed at our players and manager who have after all placed us 3 points away from the top four! ??? Hang your heads in same for having a point of view that other people don't agree with. Please note i am not one of these shallow people ;D |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 1, 2009 10:15:21 GMT
Know what you're saying, and despite being near-suicidal last night, I tried to be constructive, TWM.
But losing a 2 goal lead at home to your bitterest rivals (fore me anyway) in those circumstances makes me fume mate. Perhaps I should have waited 24 hours, but with regards to the Mama situation I am totally dumbfounded.
Looking at the league table gave me a smile this morning, but it could have been so much better.
To be honest, why have a public footballing messageboard about the club we all LOVE, if folk cannot let off steam?
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Post by griffoisalegend on Nov 1, 2009 10:19:06 GMT
It wasn't the fact that we drew though! It keeps things ticking over very nicely. It was HOW it came! I felt proud after Chelsea, Liverpool, and Bolton - all disappointments but at least we gave 150 percent, and tried to play a bit of football, things just went against us. Yesterday, we deserved nothing for that showing against a very,very average side.
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Post by Winge on Nov 1, 2009 10:20:23 GMT
Know what you're saying, and despite being near-suicidal last night, I tried to be constructive, TWM. But losing a 2 goal lead at home to your bitterest rivals (fore me anyway) in those circumstances makes me fume mate. Perhaps I should have waited 24 hours, but with regards to the Mama situation I am totally dumbfounded. Looking at the league table gave me a smile this morning, but it could have been so much better. To be honest, why have a public footballing messageboard about the club we all LOVE, if folk cannot let off steam? Totall agree with you mate |
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Post by iilforddave on Nov 1, 2009 10:20:34 GMT
Hang your heads in same for having a point of view that other people don't agree with. Please note i am not one of these shallow people ;D How do I "hang my head in same" ;D |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2009 10:22:05 GMT
Think you have summed up your own frustrations and that of many others there Bunny with the phrase "losing a two goal lead against your bitter rivals".
It hurt more and frustrated more because it was those horrible Wolves bastards and it was doubly hard to take because we were so much better than them in the first half.
In the cold light of day, a bad half of football isn't reason to lose site of the fact that we are doing great this season and with a bit of luck and a bit more adventure from our manager, could be doing even better!
I would have taken our start though and think we have real cause to be optimistic about our future prospects, whilst also having some concerns about some key positions and personnel.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 1, 2009 10:27:04 GMT
If you watch football then you have to be prepared for disappointment at times I guess it's how you cope with it that counts - certainly not by booing your team off the pitch ...and all this self flagellation  |
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Post by stokemark on Nov 1, 2009 10:43:04 GMT
I thought our support yesterday was shit again - at 2-0 non-one was really singing - now I know we 'get behind them' more often than not when we are level or clinging on to a lead but I noted an apathetic air about the place yesterday.
I genuinely believe there were about 10000 there yesterday who thought we just needed to turn up to win and 11 out on the pitch in the second half who thought the same !
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 1, 2009 10:44:36 GMT
Yesterday was a massive dissapointment and it came on top of the 4-0 thrashing at Portsmouth...(despite people's comments about not caring about 'Mickey Mouse' competitions..a quarter-final against Villa..at home..would have been brilliant) But this time last week everyone was singing after we'd beaten Spurs...the Rimmers were rimming deep and hard while the Wankstains stayed away... Unless we're winning every week there'll always be criticsm and lets be honest..its usually more entertaining when the PHW's come out to play and talk their usual bollocks well informed opinions...very funny at times but not to be taken too seriously  |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 1, 2009 10:50:04 GMT
stokemark The lack of support from the crowd is a real worry The team were knocked back with that offside goal right after the kick off. Last season the crowd would have upped the volume to drive the team on.... This term the crowd have lost their passion - looks like our title as the best fans in the Prem has slipped away already  |
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Post by stokemark on Nov 1, 2009 10:54:04 GMT
stokemark The lack of support from the crowd is a real worry The team were knocked back with that offside goal right after the kick off. Last season the crowd would have upped the volume to drive the team on.... This term the crowd have lost their passion - looks like our title as the best fans in the Prem has slipped away already Agree Paul - I sit in the family stand with my kids and I have seen one or two 'faces' disappear this season (maybe money worries etc) to be replaced by quite a few 'stiffs' who hardley speak let alone cheer. |
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Post by mikeyb99 on Nov 1, 2009 10:55:47 GMT
The reaction by some has been OTT.
However, I think that some of the cracks that have been papered-over by two good results have been exposed to some extent.
Saying that, I'm not angry with yesterday's performance, so much as I'm frustrated - particularly because the starting XI was (Whitehead aside) about as close to our best XI as we've had since the corrosive signings of Huth and Collins.
Fingers crossed TP doesn't change too much for our visit to Hull.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 1, 2009 10:57:31 GMT
Fuck me i've made the headlines. I'd best close the curtains in case there's any paperazzi about. ;D |
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Nov 1, 2009 10:57:52 GMT
I genuinely believe there were about 10000 there yesterday who thought we just needed to turn up to win and 11 out on the pitch in the second half who thought the same ! Which is, is it not, the same sort of arrogance we complained about last season from opposing fans - remember the whining Arsenal fans coming on here last season when we had the temerity to beat them? |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 1, 2009 10:59:45 GMT
I am not saying it is right, but sadly it is the status quo of football clubs - a mixture of ardent supporters and passive ones. It is in escapable that the gloss wears off for some and they become more passive. Lets be honest, we have 12,000 ish ardent supporters
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Post by kiwistoke on Nov 1, 2009 11:00:36 GMT
Rubbish we are a top premiership team and should be pissing all over these little clubs who have just scrambled into our elite league.
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Post by dadofsam on Nov 1, 2009 11:02:33 GMT
It's a very different emotion seeing your lead being thrown away to going behind or even hanging on when you're getting battered.
If fans were quiet it was because they couldn't believe the horror unfolding in front of their eyes.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 1, 2009 11:02:44 GMT
Quality counts beardy! ;D
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 1, 2009 11:06:24 GMT
I think we're starting to see the novelty of being in The Prem starting to wear off...remember, in The Championship, we averaged about 14,000 and this went on year after year..now we're in The Prem its 27,000 plus....at least 10,000 don't have the staying power and loyalty that those 14,000 had..so its almost inevitable that the slightest little blimp brings out a crescendo of criticsm..
Also, are we starting to see a pattern emerging where we are picking up points away and dropping them at home..a bit of a reversal from last season...and not playing with the same kind of style at home as we did last season?
Or am I talking bollocks? ;D
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Post by mikeyb99 on Nov 1, 2009 11:07:50 GMT
Is this the first time we've 'dropped points' at home this season? I don't count defeats to Manure and Chelsea as 'dropped points', so much as 'bonus points' not claimed.
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Post by gibby1409 on Nov 1, 2009 13:13:59 GMT
It's guttin to drop points to that fookin lot, but, lets take a deep breath, and look at the table?
It's Nov 1st, we are 9th, and we've only lost to three of the Top 4, pretty fookin good start I think!
I mentioned on another thread, that we think that every result is about our performance. Yes, the second half was toss, but give the Dingle's a bit of credit for improving, that's what influenced the result more than our performance.
I don't want to give them fookers too much credit, but I think they have drawn the last three, Everton away, Villa at home , and then us? So they are perhaps not quite as toss as we think?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 1, 2009 13:40:34 GMT
There are a fair few thousand of us who have been served a steady dish of bitter disappointment for over a quarter of a century and arguably more.
I don't think a few boos of disappointment and frustration merit horse shit statements such as the headline to this thread or the emotive bollocks found elsewhere.
I don't like the few boos that greeted a home draw and neither do I understand the people prepared to happy clap a dire show from all concerned in the second half.
Its a football crowd and the emotions are always going to be mixed so lets drop the Mother Theresa hand wringing disapproval cack.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2009 15:00:57 GMT
You are obviously as thick as two short planks (and you call yourself the Wisemaster ). Over 25 years of watching Stoke City, the vast majority of which has been disappointing. Don't lecture other fans on how they should or should not be feeling. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 1, 2009 15:05:00 GMT
I will leave that to you then brain box, shall I? I have just spotted the cunning edit Yeah thats fair enough. Wise Master is thick. ;D |
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Post by stokieforever on Nov 1, 2009 15:05:12 GMT
It wasn't the fact that we drew though! It keeps things ticking over very nicely. It was HOW it came! I felt proud after Chelsea, Liverpool, and Bolton - all disappointments but at least we gave 150 percent, and tried to play a bit of football, things just went against us. Yesterday, we deserved nothing for that showing against a very,very average side. Spot on, the manner of the second half performance is what annoyed me more than anything. However point gained, roll on next week |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2009 17:18:56 GMT
I don't think a few boos of disappointment and frustration merit horse shit statements such as the headline to this thread or the emotive bollocks found elsewhere. I don't like the few boos that greeted a home draw and neither do I understand the people prepared to happy clap a dire show from all concerned in the second half. Its a football crowd and the emotions are always going to be mixed so lets drop the Mother Theresa hand wringing disapproval cack. You are of course right Mark and perhaps we are being a bit precious. Its a fucking football crowd at the end of the day but the players, at the very least, had built up a bit of credit with us to avoid that hadn't they? They are big enough, ugly enough and certainly well paid enough to be able to deal with a bit of brief booing but the people doing it really need to ask themselves what the fuck it is they want. |
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Post by droz on Nov 1, 2009 17:22:29 GMT
It was very disappointing, and we were as bad in the second half yesterday as we were on Tuesday. People will be annoyed, as we've paid our money and want to see commitment from the players we pay; and we should expect to be beating teams like Wolves at home. It is not of epic proportions by any stretch of the imagination, just a disappointment.
Having said that, last week was a hugely pleasant surprise! I'd sooner have four points than the expected three from the two games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2009 17:24:45 GMT
Whitehead is totally useless mind and that's just not based on the Wolves game!  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 1, 2009 17:26:34 GMT
but the players, at the very least, had built up a bit of credit with us to avoid that hadn't they? Not enitrely sure the boos were aimed at the players Momo, I overheard some smokers at half time who said they were going to boo Scholes at the end because they didn't get a pass out at half time! |
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