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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2009 9:23:49 GMT
Although on paper the lineup didnt look too bad there were just too many changes. In fact apart from Man U last night all the other prem teams made far fewer changes... Stoke 10 none on the bench P'mouth 7 (4 through being cup tied) 2 were on the bench Sunderland 5 but 3 of them on bench Villa 3 all 3 on the bench Spurs 5 (2 thru injury) Everton 1 on the bench Blackburn 6 (and they have swine flu!) 4 on the bench
So only TP and Fergie made more changes to their lineups. Seems most other managers took it more seriously. TP by not even taking 10 of his first team let alone putting some on the bench basically conceded the game.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 28, 2009 9:27:11 GMT
TP has made no secret that this season (and for the immediate future) staying in this leaggue is his number 1 priority and he isn't going to do anything to endanger that. So, from his point of view, last night's line up made perfect sense.
Blame him if you want - I don't expect he will lose sleep over it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 9:31:38 GMT
It's disappointing that we're not taking the cups seriously and that we never have under any stage of TP's management. Yeah, the management team deserve some blame for that, it's a very short-sighted policy as far as I'm concerned.
Having said that, no way was the team we put out on paper four goals worse than the one Pompey put out. As Jamo says, the chance was there for certain people to stake a claim for a first team place and it seems like very few stepped up to the plate.
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 9:52:12 GMT
It wasn't pulis' fault. Yeh pulis is guilty of not treating the cup with the same respect as the league but that team really shouldve been capable of beating Pompey . The players let us down and it actually shows that pulis really does know his top 11 players at this moment
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2009 9:53:46 GMT
Its TP's decision not to take the cups seriously...he never has. But its not my view and I fail to understand why its not possible to have decent cup runs and survive in the prem. In fact i think it would be difficult to prove that long cup runs get you relegated. Having said that the players chosen and some qulaity players were out there clearly let us down.
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Post by dadofsam on Oct 28, 2009 10:00:07 GMT
yeh, but he still expects the fans to turn up and get behind his half-arsed selection, spending a ton they can't afford as opposed to earning tens of thousands for just turning up.
The divide between club and supporter opened a little last night.
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Post by stevoyork on Oct 28, 2009 10:07:37 GMT
It shows me that the squads morale isn't as high as the teams (and that disappoints me)- because on paper, last night we should have given them a better game than that!
It didn't seem like any players wanted to 'force' their way into the first team...
Even Tuncay's place on the fringe of the first team, will stay the same.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Oct 28, 2009 10:08:28 GMT
11 players had the opportunity last night to state that they should be in the regular starting eleven, all part of this super strong squad that we apparently have, and according to the radio reports last night, they all blew it big time. I am extremely disappointed but a couple of years back, I'd have been delighted to have seen TP put this team out on the field to represent us. The good news is that we do have 11 others, who TP will select on Saturday, to work towards the main aim of staying in the Prem. I have publicly criticised TP in the past and even now over certain team selections but at the end of the day, he (and PC) got us here, so let's just get behind him and whatever team he picks. We'll lose some along the way and be dissappointed but hey let's just live the dream.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 28, 2009 10:12:54 GMT
Look, all this its the players fault/its TP's fault is gay - they all had a wank night. None are blameless.
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 28, 2009 10:14:16 GMT
I was surprised we didnt have more quality on the bench last night. But it did show we didnt give a stuff and surely that would have filtered down to the players. As for performing well and breaking into the first xi. Even if Tuncs or Kits had hit hatricks last night they would not have started on saturday......in fact none of the 11 who started last night will start on saturday....seems TP doesn't believe that his players can play weekend and midweek. Its a view held almost uniquely by TP.
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 10:22:55 GMT
Haha the divide between supporter and team opened up. What a fickle point of view. It's not TPs fault the team he put out were shit. If he put out the main 11 then he would be critised for not giving kitson, tuncay, whelan , Lawrence, higgi et al a chance. Typical PHW response that
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 28, 2009 10:32:19 GMT
....seems TP doesn't believe that his players can play weekend and midweek. Its a view held almost uniquely by TP. I think it's perfectly reasonable that after the shift the team put in against Spurs, that they might be given time to recharge before what will be another blood-and-thunder encounter against the Dingles.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 28, 2009 10:33:36 GMT
"It's not TPs fault the team he put out were shit"
Most moronic post of the week
(In a Harry Hill's TV Burp style...)
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 10:34:32 GMT
Well how is it TPs fault? Explain
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 10:35:48 GMT
Oh and using the term "is gay" kind of reveals your mentality
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Post by droz on Oct 28, 2009 10:37:58 GMT
It is disappointing for us not to at least give it a go in the cup. I appreciate survival comes first, but we could really benefit from a good cup run - we don't have them very often!
As Rob said, a huge problem was the fact that those who were given the opportunity (Arismendi aside) didn't take it.
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 10:40:44 GMT
Exactly. It ISNT pulis' fault that the team he selected ( which contains half the players most wise men on here think Gould start in the prem! Ha) didn't perform. Some people seem to think pulis has a direct control over how well players perform individually
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 28, 2009 10:53:05 GMT
Well the manager has to take some responsibility as its his job to manage the team. However, i don't know about anyone else but when i saw the team, i thought 'excellent, this should give us an idea of how well our so called creative players do when all on at the same time'
The defence didn't look fantastic (nor the bench for that matter) but I think most people thought they'd certainly be a match for portsmouth.
Too many players just had a shit game really, and some didn't seem arsed which is dire considering they should be fighting to convince pulis they should be starting every week.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2009 10:58:35 GMT
Well he fucking should be losing sleep over it, if only for the fact for the poor cunts who paid all that money to go to Pompey and watch that utter dross team play utter dross football against dross. Don't get me wrong I want us to concentrate on the league and stay up above all else, but if Pulis is going to take this attitude with all cup matches at least tell people a week in advance before they pay good money for tickets, trains petrol, hotels et al. That way he can send out a Mickey Mouse team with no support and get twatted, be relieved and concentrate on the league without the financial lay out for our supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 11:00:52 GMT
Exactly. It ISNT pulis' fault that the team he selected ( which contains half the players most wise men on here think Gould start in the prem! Ha) didn't perform. Some people seem to think pulis has a direct control over how well players perform individually Both manager and players deserve to take a portion of the blame, just as, like Dave said, they deserve credit when we win.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 28, 2009 11:09:48 GMT
I'm not blaming TP for his selection last night, there's no doubt that he expected the team he put out against Portsmouth to have performed a whole lot better than they did. I certainly did and fully expected them to at least have made a match of it. Bottom line though it was our second string XI and clearly demonstrates where the club's priorities lie. Nothing wrong with that, but if the management can't wait to be rid of the competition, then there's really little point in us fans bothering to watch the 1 or 2 early rounds that we might scrape through. I for one, won't be bothering with cup competitions in the foreseeable future, there's no point if the club really, really don't want to progress in them.
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Post by Charlie Adams Dentist on Oct 28, 2009 11:12:09 GMT
By playing in the League Cup would only give our players another 4 games. That is not many compared to clubs competing in The Champions League and Premier League. Those players have 2 games a week more regularly and at a higher tempo.
Start taking these cups seriously, Tony. We can stay up and still do the treble. Everyone knows that.....
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2009 11:13:50 GMT
Well I for one will not be going to any more cup games until we start showing some intent. I don't mind if that is what we are going to do from the offset, I just wish they would tell us at the start of the season that Stoke have no intention of competing in cups.
Hey Lakeside?
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Post by nathan on Oct 28, 2009 11:27:54 GMT
A mickey mouse team, H?
9 out of 11 have started Premier League games and the other two are Tuncay and Arismendi.
That team should have been capable of putting up a little resistance, don't you think?
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Oct 28, 2009 11:29:04 GMT
Surely the club wants to do well in these competitions. That wasn't the reason we lost
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 11:30:27 GMT
Surely the club wants to do well in these competitions. That wasn't the reason we lost If we were serious about it we'd have put a stronger team out wouldn't we?
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2009 11:31:05 GMT
TP played the forward line and midfield that poster after poster after poster had been advocating on here.
The defence is another matter, but Cort, Higgy and Griff will all consider themselves to be Prem players in those positions.
None of the 11 can take any credit from the performance and that includes some of our 'superstars'.
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Post by nathan on Oct 28, 2009 11:31:43 GMT
Rob,
Surely a line-up including Tuncay, Whelan, Lawrence and Kitson constitutes a 'strong' team?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 28, 2009 11:32:57 GMT
Rightly or wrongly,Pulis sees long distance travelling as a big hindrance on player's fitness.Bearing that in mind,an away game at Portsmouth was probably the worst draw we could have had.Had we played them at home,I think we'd have seen a similar bench to the 1 we had against Blackpool.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2009 11:34:39 GMT
I know, amazing isn't it. We should have kept Cresswell, Pericard and Dicko for these matches aswell. I don't have a problem with putting out a reserve team , and maybe the term Mickey Mouse was a little harsh but fucking hell, Portsmouth must have pissed their sides when they saw our back four. Griffin past it, Higgy low on confidence, Cort anonymous and Danny Pugh cannot play left back aslong as he has a hole in his arse. I just think it wouldbe fairer on the fans to have a statement of intent by the club to tell the supporters that we are not interested in the cup. That way no one has to waste their fucking money. In fact maybe we should just ask the FA when we get drawn out of the hat to give the team against us a bye. That way everyone will be happy.
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